| | cost looks like this is the question of the hour day whatever.
what is the actual cost of data transmission and how exactly is it quantified? like most things i'd imagine that the cost is relative to scale. but what is the cost? | |
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  ropeguruPremium
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Mechanicsville, VA | Re: cost said by boogi man:looks like this is the question of the hour day whatever. what is the actual cost of data transmission and how exactly is it quantified? like most things i'd imagine that the cost is relative to scale. but what is the cost? Unlike they want to do to us, they pay a flat cost to another provider such as Level 3 or ATT backbone. Say they get a 1 Gig connection to the backbone from Level 3. Guess what!! They pay a flat monthly fee no matter whether or not they run it at half full all day of use the entire 1 Gig 24x7x365. So why is it that it costs them more for us to download more??
Maybe what they should do is stop trying to confuse people and stop upping speeds so much and start beefing up their major pipes to handle what they already have. | |
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said by ropeguru:said by boogi man:looks like this is the question of the hour day whatever. what is the actual cost of data transmission and how exactly is it quantified? like most things i'd imagine that the cost is relative to scale. but what is the cost? Unlike they want to do to us, they pay a flat cost to another provider such as Level 3 or ATT backbone. Say they get a 1 Gig connection to the backbone from Level 3. Guess what!! They pay a flat monthly fee no matter whether or not they run it at half full all day of use the entire 1 Gig 24x7x365. So why is it that it costs them more for us to download more?? Maybe what they should do is stop trying to confuse people and stop upping speeds so much and start beefing up their major pipes to handle what they already have. if they are limited in bandwidth they would use throttling method that if you are slowing down the network due to sucking up bandwidth all the time your speed for be cut in half or a fraction of it but that's not the case
it seem there are no limit and they want to capitalize on bandwidth use... that's the bottom line.
so they are saying you can use as much as you like but you're going to pay for every gb you go over...
pretty disgusted 
every extra dollar for 1gb is extra money for their enjoyment. which will be used for leisure and pleasure... how about a trip to hawaii for a month.. or even a year  | |
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|  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
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1 edit | said by ropeguru:They pay a flat monthly fee no matter whether or not they run it at half full all day of use the entire 1 Gig 24x7x365. So why is it that it costs them more for us to download more?? Once you start driving that GigE interface heavy then you need to buy another one (at additional cost).
In every Internet design today, the sum of all of the edge capacity is greater than the capacity at the head-end. As that ratio reaches closer to 1:1, the costs to provide the bandwidth increases because you're not spreading the cost across as many people. | |
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| | ropeguruPremium
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Mechanicsville, VA | Re: cost said by espaeth:said by ropeguru:They pay a flat monthly fee no matter whether or not they run it at half full all day of use the entire 1 Gig 24x7x365. So why is it that it costs them more for us to download more?? Once you start driving that GigE interface heavy then you need to buy another one (at additional cost). In every Internet design today, the sum of all of the edge capacity is greater than the capacity at the head-end. As that ratio reaches closer to 1:1, the costs to provide the bandwidth increases because you're not spreading the cost across as many people. But here again is the confusion between bandwidth and data transfer. Just because I download over 100GB per month, does not mean that I am using more bandwidth.
The analogy here is back to the old pipe diameter and gallons per minute. If there is a 13" main pipe, whether I use 100 gallons a day or 500 gallons a day, as long as the 13" pipe is large enough to handle the flow rate, then it costs no more money for the 500 gallons over the 100 gallons. Where the issue comes in is when you try to have a main feeder of a 13" pipe and give everyone fed by that pipe a 10" pipe. Given that, it wouldn't take long for that 13" pipe to be full and not be able to provide any additional gallons per minute.
It is all in how you build and regulate the flow and not how much total flows. So in the case of the network, stop increasing the customer speed (pipe size) and start focusing on the backbone connection to the net in order to handle the total bytes downloaded (gallons per minute).
I know for me that I do like to have things download/upload quicker, but in reality, anything I download from the internet never fills my 16Mb connection. It takes multiple download streams in order to do this. In most cases of streaming video, it is now the bandwidth that will be hurting these companies, it is the fact that they will be losing revenue because folks will be streaming from Hulu and the likes and not paying for the cable company's content. | |
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| AJR
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Alabaster, AL | said by ropeguru:Unlike they want to do to us, they pay a flat cost to another provider such as Level 3 or ATT backbone. Say they get a 1 Gig connection to the backbone from Level 3. Guess what!! They pay a flat monthly fee no matter whether or not they run it at half full all day of use the entire 1 Gig 24x7x365. So why is it that it costs them more for us to download more?? That is not ture. Almost all transit links are billed using 95th Percentile billing.
Visit the links below for an explanation on 95th percentile billing:
»www.nanog.org/mailinglist/listfa···ling&q=1
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burstable_billing | |
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| | Lazlow
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: cost AJR is correct. ISPs do not pay by the GP they pay based on peak Mbps (95th percentile). Any downloading during non peak hours costs the ISP nothing extra. The same applies for hardware costs, they are entirely dependent on peak hour load. | |
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