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| can we calm the spin on the word aggressive? the only thing comcast's been aggressive about is metered billing.. aside from that, docsis promises speeds of 160mbits downward and 120mbits upward.. so a 50/10 plan doesn't seem too aggressive to me. nothing that comcast is doing in their upgrades spurs on telcos to make any significant alterations in their upgrade plans outside of the northeast, so why should they get any attention whatsoever for doing what should be mandatory in the competitive landscape?
sure, there is good cause to be cautious about upgrades and offering higher speeds.. but there is absolutely NO reason why a docsis 3 upload speed should be well within ultra-low node saturated docsis 2 spec... which means uploads should be 30mbits and higher for any entry level docsis 3 speeds-- a 50/30 or 50/50 package is what we call entry level in a service that should max out 32 users per deep fiber node @ 160mbits/120mbits bandwidth each customer. |
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cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | Metered billing? I think you are confusing Comcast with Time Warner. Comcast has not gone the metered pricing route. There is a 250 GB cap with Comcast residential services. |
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 DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to tmc8080
you seem to have comcast's soft cap and time warner's hard cap w/ metering mixed up
and D2 is speced for 38mb so technicaly 50 is just past the d2 spec
also they haven't started upstream channel bonding yet |
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 jt7
@comcast.net | reply to tmc8080
your stupid.that time warner not comcast. stupid people. this is why you should not do drug you cant remember anything right. |
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miscDude
join:2005-03-24
Hendersonville, NC | reply to tmc8080
I'm not one of the people who are super-familiar with the specs, but to my knowledge the Docsis3 spec speeds include channel bonding.
Since most people don't have D3 modems capable of the channel bonding, and comcast is pushing these speed increases to customer's with existing D2 modems, it would make sense that their FREE speed upgrades aren't pushing up to the higher levels of the D3 spec sheet.
AFAIK, the only D3 speed options comcast is offering that actually require a D3 modem are their top-end $100+ month HSI options. (as in, net only, not including any video or CDV bundles).
There's also the fact that by not pushing the the extremes of the spec options, they have room to roll out further speed increases in the future once they have had time to work the kinks out of any node/backend hicups that show up once they have D3 across their entire footprint.
Capital cost wise it makes more sense to spend the money now on the d3 equiptment at the end with some minor backhaul upgrades, and then once the last mile capital expenses are completed... and they can see how much that extra speed is being used, make an educated decision on how to spend the money on improving their backhaul to allow for more speed. Since Comcast is the only NATIONAL provider introducing consumer speeds in this range currently, there really isn't any data available for them to reference on how those consumer speed increases translate into overall utilization rates. |
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DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | your off on a few things
although yes 50/10 is the top $100+ tire its not the only tier that they require to have a D3 modem (comcast also requires it for 22/5)
(Time warner has a 22 tier as well but thet don't have D3 let alone requireing it) |
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miscDude
join:2005-03-24
Hendersonville, NC | said by DarkLogix:your off on a few things although yes 50/10 is the top $100+ tire its not the only tier that they require to have a D3 modem (comcast also requires it for 22/5) (Time warner has a 22 tier as well but thet don't have D3 let alone requireing it) I made a point of saying "optionS", plural, and I thought I remembered there being at least 2 choices requiring the D3 modem... and I thought I remembered reading someplace they both cost over $100/mo. If I'm wrong on the pricing though, my bad.
I'm not as familiar with Time Warner's internet speed options, so I was not familiar with their 22 tier option. Do they offer that teir as a national "standard", like Comcast is on their D3 upgraded markets, or is it only available in limited areas where their node density would allow it?
I could also ask if with Time Warner's metered billing plans/desires if their 22meg speed option is ultimately more likely to be marketed and desired not for it's speed, but for it's included pre-cap bandwidth allotment? |
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 baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | reply to tmc8080
I dont know if they have been "agressive" about it. They got caught forging packets, media pressure, so they placed a 250 gig cap. It wasnt trial markets like TW |
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DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to miscDude
The 22/5 from comcast is about $70/month
I'm only vaugly familiar with time warner's packages
(Some Timewarner person wondered into the comcast forum one day and was talking about 22 turbo thats all I know on timewarner's 22) |
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| reply to caco
said by caco:Metered billing? I think you are confusing Comcast with Time Warner. Comcast has not gone the metered pricing route. There is a 250 GB cap with Comcast residential services. Metered billing, aka bit caps are essentially the same things.. the difference (semantics) is a "FAP" reaction, which for Comcast is for bandwidth hogs to be BOOTED from the service.. vs Time Warner's failed policy of surcharging experimentation is not all that much different. (Either way, paying for 250gb for one price or other average b/w usage limits before the policy enforcement is semantics it's still paying for a metered service upon which your provider limits your usage). the idea being a stated pay for a bucket of bytes which are quantifiable vs unlimited (or the perception of Unlimited, compare with Verizon FIOS FTTP). All on a network upon which you have to wait in line not only on the info superhighway line, but your network node as well with the sometimes overloaded docsis 1.1 & 2.0 nodes. When customers end up tolerating one they're most likely to be suckers to fall for the other down the line..
There were regulatory roadmaps put in place for a two wire system in the USA cable industry & telco industry.. when one industry tries to use it's power for it's own greed under the guise of dealing with a lawsuit then the whole idea of the monopoly/duopoly status must be revisited & opened up to competition. Comcast is at the top their industry in geography & numbers of customers which have very limited options for competition from telcos.
Comcast's problem is that they have difficulty of dealing with bandwidth hogs positively without causing backlash, a lawsuit, and other knee-jerk or plain jerk & junk policy changes which affect millions of customers broadband use (whether they are b/w hogs or not). |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by tmc8080:said by caco:Metered billing? I think you are confusing Comcast with Time Warner. Comcast has not gone the metered pricing route. There is a 250 GB cap with Comcast residential services. Metered billing, aka bit caps are essentially the same things.. the difference (semantics) is a "FAP" Uhmmm NO!
A cap is where you get a nastygram, metered billing is where you get overage fees that are 2000% of what its costing the provider.
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| said by dvd536:said by tmc8080:said by caco:Metered billing? I think you are confusing Comcast with Time Warner. Comcast has not gone the metered pricing route. There is a 250 GB cap with Comcast residential services. Metered billing, aka bit caps are essentially the same things.. the difference (semantics) is a "FAP" Uhmmm NO! A cap is where you get a nastygram, metered billing is where you get overage fees that are 2000% of what its costing the provider. Their similar but metered is where you get charge outrageous price for your high usage...
one disconnect you from their service the other charge you an arm and a leg for it |
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