 RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | DOCSIS3 is a Strawman While they can claim to eventually deploy DOCSIS3 (the latest Buzz Word), look at what they CURRENTLY offer. 5/.768 is their top tier leaving lots of room for increased DOCSIS2 speeds before they would need to offer DOCSIS3 to increase their speed tiers.
In my area (NYC Metro, Northern NJ west of NYC, and the Westchester/Rockland Counties North of NYC) you either are in a TWC or a Cablevision/OptOnline Cable Monopoly area [I am ignoring the FIOS that is being offered in that same footprint] where TWC has pathetic DOCSIS2 speed tiers and CV has Standard 15/2 and Boost 30/5 DOCSIS2 Tiers (that show what CAN be offered before DOCSIS3 is needed for increased speeds).
Since the DOCSIS2 upload max is 27Mbs, this means that even with DOCSIS2 there is major room for a faster upload tiers (such as 30/10 or 30/15) without needing to roll out DOCSIS3 (which would allow an upload max of 108Mbs). | |
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  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: DOCSIS3 is a Strawman In the Greensboro market, they are still DOCSIS 1.1 and the highest tier they offer is 10Mbps/512Kbps. | |
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 | | | Re: DOCSIS3 is a Strawman Is that residential or business speeds? Business always gets more. Also I'm sure you'd get 1gig x 1gig as well. | |
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| RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | Re: DOCSIS3 is a Strawman said by djrobx:said by RARPSL:Since the DOCSIS2 upload max is 27Mbs, this means that even with DOCSIS2 there is major room for a faster upload tiers (such as 30/10 or 30/15) without needing to roll out DOCSIS3 (which would allow an upload max of 108Mbs). Remember that 27mbps is shared, and things go downhill quickly once it's saturated. DOCSIS 3 allows channel bonding, which means they can increase speeds without splitting nodes. CableVision has been pushing the limits of cable internet from the get-go, so they probably have engineered their network with fewer homes per node. I do not dispute the shared nature of the media. I was just pointing out that TWC has much lower tiers than CV and thus has room to up the tiers without needing to roll-out DOCSIS3. OTOH: As you alude to, they may need to do node splits since they are oversold now (which might explain the low speed tiers) compared to CV's Network (which I am on). I do not know how many Upload (or Download) Channels are available so that can affect how much congestion there is on a node (Channel X usage on Node1 does not affect the usage of Channel X on Node2 so the only question is how many users are sharing a designated channel on their node).
Hopefully when DOCSIS3 is rolled out by an ISP, they will go the route of mixing up the channel allocations that a user gets so that each user has a unique set of channels (or at worse only shares 2 of their 4 bonded channels with any other user). What this does is load level the usage on a channel so a heavy user has their load placed on whatever of their 4 channels is not overloaded at the current time. | |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
1 edit | Not defending TWC in any way, but there are two basic ways to increase capacity. You can switch to D3 and spread the D3 load across four channels (avoiding node splits in near term). Or you can split the nodes on D2. Either way each channel only has 38Mbps coming down, so if you offer 30Mbps speeds on D2 you are going to see congestion issues. That being said CV did it in a VERY smart manner. The split all their nodes on D2 to be able to offer increased speeds over the last year, and now they are switching to D3. This allowed them to avoid the initial price premium of D3(while still offering higher speeds) and has put them in a excellent position to offer 100Mbps speed via D3(due to already having split the nodes). | |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by RARPSL:While they can claim to eventually deploy DOCSIS3 (the latest Buzz Word), look at what they CURRENTLY offer. 5/.768 is their top tier leaving lots of room for increased DOCSIS2 speeds before they would need to offer DOCSIS3 to increase their speed tiers. Look at Cablevisions BOOST product on D2 at 38000 / 5000
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| MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: DOCSIS3 is a Strawman Guys, Time Warner doesn't even have DOCSIS 2.0 deployed. They stated they were going to skip it for 3.0. So they are either DOCSIS 1.1 or DOCSIS 3.0 in all markets. | |
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| | tjp375
join:2008-07-02
Akron, OH | Re: DOCSIS3 is a Strawman 100% right, All current RR customers have DOCSIS 1.1, despite the different tiers available nationwide. The more competition in your area, the better tiers you have. Bottom line, no RR customer gets more than 24Mbps down/2Mbps up, and that's best case scenario in areas such as Florida, Texas, and California (Fios Markets). | |
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| | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: DOCSIS3 is a Strawman That is also why the fastest tier offered on the Business Class side is 2Mbps upstream. If you want more than 2Mbps upstream, you have to move to Metro-Ethernet or some type of direct fiber.
I'm pretty shocked they are so hesitant to upgrade to DOCSIS 3.0. I guess when your biggest competitor is U-Verse, life is good. | |
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| RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | said by dvd536:said by RARPSL:While they can claim to eventually deploy DOCSIS3 (the latest Buzz Word), look at what they CURRENTLY offer. 5/.768 is their top tier leaving lots of room for increased DOCSIS2 speeds before they would need to offer DOCSIS3 to increase their speed tiers. Look at Cablevisions BOOST product on D2 at 38000 / 5000 Which I have (I am a CV Boost User). I referenced this difference in support between TWC/RR and CV in NYC where they split the city between them in another thread/comment. Just north of where I live is a TWC/RR areas where they offer the same SLOW tiers. | |
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