Topic 'What's a "privacy pirate"?' in forum ''

Topic 'What's a "privacy pirate"?' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22307021 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:58:38 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:58:38 EDT Re: What's a "privacy pirate"? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22319334
Furthermore, I doubt that making copies from borrowed media is legal, though I suspect it would be difficult to prove a crime, or tort in such a case. Which is a concession to cdru

WRT my comment about "unauthorized distribution".

It isn't easy to specify in fifty words, or less, but it is one thing for me to archive a copy of IP for personal use, from original media, which I own, and possess, but another thing to rip copies from media I don't own, when said media will not be in my possession when I make use of the copy.

And there are probably five thousand legal "gotchas" in that statement.
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I think you need to read up on what case law is.

Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc. established that:

the making of individual copies of complete television shows for purposes of time-shifting does not constitute copyright infringement, but is fair use.

Similarly, there are other instances in which making personal copies for fair use is well established, such as "Format-Shifting", e.g. putting a CD on your MP3 player (RIAA v. Diamond Multimedia, 180 F. 3d 1072, 1079, 9th Circ. 1999.).
Please let me clarify. I do agree that time/place/format shifting is usually legal, starting with the Betamax case you linked to.

What I was referring to was obtaining some type of a recording as a rental (from say Blockbuster) or borrowing (from a friend or library) and making a copy of it claiming fair use. That goes beyond what Sony v. Universal decided.

You probably are legally able make a personal copy of a rental or borrowed item while you have possession of the original, but once the original is returned your rights to the copy cease.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22317708 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:43:30 EDT Re: What's a "privacy pirate"? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22317393
Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc. established that:

the making of individual copies of complete television shows for purposes of time-shifting does not constitute copyright infringement, but is fair use.

Similarly, there are other instances in which making personal copies for fair use is well established, such as "Format-Shifting", e.g. putting a CD on your MP3 player (RIAA v. Diamond Multimedia, 180 F. 3d 1072, 1079, 9th Circ. 1999.).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22317393 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:12:12 EDT Re: What's a "privacy pirate"? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22312026 said by Kearnstd:

because making copies without giving any away or selling and only keeping for yourself is called fair use.So you are saying it's perfectly legal under fair use laws to make a copy of a CD or DVD borrowed from the library or Netflix, as long as it's only for personal use? Right. If that lets you sleep better at night.

Please point to the relavent section of the US Code that allows you to make a copy under fair use for personal use?

I think you need to read up on what Fair Use really means.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22312026 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:01:59 EDT Re: What's a "privacy pirate"? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22311387
because making copies without giving any away or selling and only keeping for yourself is called fair use.
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Did I say, "distribution"? I'm so sorry, I was positive I had stated, "unauthorized distribution".My sarcasm detector is in the repair shop so I can't tell if you meant it that way or not. Regardless if you meant "distribution" or "unauthorized distribution", either one is not necessary a component of piracy. You can be a pirate without distributing, consumption may be sufficient.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22310402 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:42:17 EDT Re: What's a "privacy pirate"? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22309006 said by cdru:

Please point me to any legitimate source that says that distribution is a component of piracy.
Did I say, "distribution"? I'm so sorry, I was positive I had stated, "unauthorized distribution".
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Actually, a movie, or music pirate distributes a copyright work without proper authorization. Not quite the same thing as "stealing" property, though it is a harm, and a criminal act.Please point me to any legitimate source that says that distribution is a component of piracy.

As I said in another post, I am fully aware of the difference between copyright infringement and stealing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22308227 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:11:37 EDT Re: What's a "privacy pirate"? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22308214 said by knightmb:

The first one is close, except that pirates don't always steal ships. They can raid them, they just kill everyone for fun, or they can trade. Pirates were those that wanted to get rich and operate outside of whatever established law at the time to get it.Well, if they raid a ship I would say that they are also taking possession of it, at least from an authority standpoint. They may give it back or abandon it, but they are still taking what is not theirs. Similarly, if they just in it for trade, they are still taking what's not theirs.

Your second example is invalid though, since everything is a copyright, me just quoting you is infringing on your copyright,

I agree that everything is automatically covered under a copyright. However you are not infringing on my copyright as your use of it would be covered under fair use. You are commenting/critiquing it which is explicitly allowed under US copyright laws. Plus you also cited the original author.

but stealing and copying are very two distinct legal terms.

Which is why I said infringe on others copyrights. I added "aka 'steal'" with steal in quotes as I know the difference from stealing and copyright infringement.

I can make a copy of your social security card but that doesn't mean I've stolen your social security number. Just like I can make a copy of a movie, but unless I'm selling copies of it, it's certainly not even in the same legal book as stealing.

Legally you are correct. To the layman though, they are almost synonymous. "Stealing" or "copyright infringement", my point still is valid. You are acquiring something without the knowledge and/or permission of the person who owns it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22308214 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:09:09 EDT Re: What's a "privacy pirate"? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22308135 said by cdru:

If I'm a movie or music pirate, I infringe on others copyrights (aka "steal") the movie or music.
Actually, a movie, or music pirate distributes a copyright work without proper authorization. Not quite the same thing as "stealing" property, though it is a harm, and a criminal act.
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If I'm a ship pirate, I take possession of other people's ships and property.

If I'm a movie or music pirate, I infringe on others copyrights (aka "steal") the movie or music.

So using the same logic, a privacy pirate must be someone who steals people's privacy. That sounds much more like Phorm's business model then anyone who is fighting against them (except maybe direct competitors in the exact same industry).
The first one is close, except that pirates don't always steal ships. They can raid them, they just kill everyone for fun, or they can trade. Pirates were those that wanted to get rich and operate outside of whatever established law at the time to get it.

Your second example is invalid though, since everything is a copyright, me just quoting you is infringing on your copyright, but stealing and copying are very two distinct legal terms. I can make a copy of your social security card but that doesn't mean I've stolen your social security number. Just like I can make a copy of a movie, but unless I'm selling copies of it, it's certainly not even in the same legal book as stealing.

Of course, their use of "privacy pirate" is just another misused term meant to confuse those too lazy to check what the topic of discussion is. Pirate and stealing is a fun term to though around today because it's popular and is a way to attack people's emotions rather than encourage them to think critically. We might as well start using more cliche sayings for those that protect privacy like "Justice League of Privacy" to make a silly point. :p
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If I'm a movie or music pirate, I infringe on others copyrights (aka "steal") the movie or music.

So using the same logic, a privacy pirate must be someone who steals people's privacy. That sounds much more like Phorm's business model then anyone who is fighting against them (except maybe direct competitors in the exact same industry).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Whats-a-privacy-pirate-22307021 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:29:44 EDT