Topic 'Metered billing' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Metered-billing-22312360 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:31:56 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:31:56 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22324227 said by elcubanito :

i guess you dont read the bible it said in the book of psalm that earth was not made for nothing but to be for ever so how in the world will exist forever if the sun will die one day
The bible is wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22324227 Fri, 01 May 2009 12:32:03 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22323962
A company that needs to pay its stock holders a better than average dividend, and large salaries & unreasonable bonuses to the top level of employees needs to generate increasing revenue.

Quote: "Competition, or the lack of it, goes a long way to explaining why the fees are higher in the United States. There is less competition in the United States than in many other countries.

Broadband already has the highest profit margins of any product cable companies offer. Like any profit-maximizing business would do, they set prices in relation to other providers and market demand rather than based on costs."

Fast ISP $20 per connection upgrade.
»bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/0···er-home/

Quote:"In Japan, broadband service running at 150 megabits per second (Mbps) costs $60 a month. The fastest service available now in the United States is 50 Mbps at a price of $90 to $150 a month.

In London, $9 a month buys 8 Mbps service. In New York, broadband starts at $20 per month, for 1 Mbps."

Broadband Gap
»bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/1···-faster/

Why Do They Have More Fiber?
»bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/1···e-fiber/

and the follow up...
»bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/1···e-issue/

Metering is only a ruse to get higher profits in the US from the existing infrastructure. If metering becomes an acceptable business practice, then government needs to step in and separate content delivery from the infrastructure owner. In addition DSL suppliers should boost the speeds to all apartments/condos instead of trying to supply suburbia.

I do not want big government, but splitting Verizon from FiOS, or Comcast & Time Warner from their cable divisions would stop the metering ruse. Separating the infrastructure from content delivery would reduce the consumer cost with increased competition for access to the cabled or wired delivery point, and the CEO's already rubbing their palms together in anticipation of greater bonus generated by metering bytes would ultimately be disappointed.

We are only voicing our written opinions in this forum. I like the free enterprise system, but the Cable, DSL, and Satellite companies have banded together and are price fixing. Price fixing by assuring each other of one major supplier of content/infrastructure will be the majority supplier of areas, rather than being competitive with price and content choice as the free enterprise system is designed to work...

My three cents on metered billing as additional profits for the most profitable service a cable or Telco has...

JR]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22323962 Fri, 01 May 2009 11:40:00 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22323377 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22323377 Fri, 01 May 2009 09:58:27 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22322552
If people balk at metered billing, having low caps and paying higher fees and overage charges, they might cut down on online movies and TV. Which could hinder the growth of such online content providers.
Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22322552 Fri, 01 May 2009 03:02:02 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314396 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314396 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:22:42 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314291
Not true. Greed and stupidity are truly limitless. Though I'm not sure I'd call 'em a resource... :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314291 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:02:28 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314257 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314257 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:57:21 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314229
If they would actually do something to address the issues(congestion, hardware costs, transit costs, all Mbps based) then they would have something. Comcast's protocol agnostic throttle during peak hours actually does just that. Their 250GB cap has (at least so far) been handled in a very smart manner. They are ignoring the users that are exceeding the cap and NOT downloading during peak hours (these users are not cause a problem). The are going after the users who are exceeding the cap and ARE downloading during peak hours(these users are causing a problem).

A straight monthly cap does not address the problem. A user on a 5Mbps tier downloading exclusively between 6pm-10pm can download 28 days a month and stay under the 250GB cap. But at the same time can use over 1/8th the available bandwidth on his channel. Considering that there are a LOT more than eight users assigned to each channel, you can see where the GB/month fails. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314229 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:52:10 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314065 I'm glad that TW balked at this trial because litigation would have taken years. In that time other carriers may have implemented the same insulting caps w/overage charges.
If that had happened, then unwinding this mess would have been a much bigger challenge.
This is a golden opportunity for a politician to make a name for him/herself by taking this issue and running with it. The establishment of a regulatory oversight body to approve the pricing based on the verification of the carriers claims would greatly help the consumer. A cap could then be defined as part of the price to be approved or denied. This is currently being done with electric and natural gas. The first step would be to define broadband as a utility!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314065 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:21:44 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314000 said by me1212:

I get what you are saying, but what I am saying is "why do they have to lie?".
simple: put the blame on someone else. "[cable companies] have no choice! the user hogs are eating up all the bandwidth. it's for the good of all. etc. "

compare that to: "We want more of your money."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22314000 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:05:34 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313741 said by PapaMidnight:

That was wrong on so many levels. Of course there are things which are perceivable to be an unlimited resource.
Not even the Sun is unlimited. It too will die one day. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313741 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:14:22 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313276
I have direct proof of that. When I asked Time Warner/RR what my rate would be when they implemented the cap, the response was:

$29.99/month

I currently pay $24.99/month
for the absolute basic service.

So my rate would go up $5, AND I would get a 1Gb cap. I go over 1Gb/month just updating Windows and my regular software.

I switched to the low offer not because I download very little, but because I don't need to download very fast. I was so upset that they were going to implement caps, I called back the next day and cancelled. Even when they retracted their plan, I'm still cancelling, I don't want to give money to a company that would implement such a policy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313276 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:54:59 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313199 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313199 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:40:35 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313194 said by me1212:

I too think there is some regulation needed. If they want to meter bill you so they can make more money they can with no reason they do own their internet. but when they lie that is different they are doing it for the same reason whether they lie or not, so why not not lie?
I think it would be better for road runner cable to stop offering internet

Who needs metering crap?

Only a desperate person would want metering because their isn't an unlimited alternative

To those who have service cancel completely, all service with road runner just let them go out of business like the loser they really are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313194 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:39:32 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313142 said by moonpuppy:

said by baineschile:

I dont think its a bad idea, just as long as they do it fairly (decreased prices for those who use less?) and have a REASONABLE tiered system. They would need a bandwidth meter freely available, and clear and consice overage fees

Also, a 40gb cap that TW was imposing was really low, Comcasts was much more reasonable at 250gb; ATT is in the middle at 140gb(i believe it was close to that)

As long as they review it year to year and realize that usage will increase, they should raise the cap annually.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

First off, I seriously doubt any of the cable companies are going to lower base rates. That would cut into their profits and while those who consume more would pay more, those who consume less would pay less. As the cable companies have said, it is only that 1% that hogs up everything so while you have 1% paying more, you have 99% paying the same or less.

The 40GB cap is useless. You can go over that easily even with legal means like Youtube, MS updates, gaming, etc.

They only "review" that they will do would be how to squeeze that much more out of people.
You are absolutely correct. Their desire is to charge the low usage users the same or slightly more and the heavy users a LOT more. The low usage/computer illiterate customers will NOT see a cheaper service fee.
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how about 5 dollars for .10 per gb
100gb= 10 bucks so 15 bucks let say the speed are uncapped as well
10 dollars for .05 per gb
so 100gb= 15.00 for total month
so you see this model works better
now if you paid 5 bucks and use 10gb or less thats 6 buck a month
yes if implemented correctly but the greedy cable co will not do anything to save those who use less
they are greedy filthy and disgusting :(

to save user even more money
15.00 for .03 per gb
20.00 for .02 per gb
25.00 for .01 per gb lol
100gb=1 dollar
1TB=10 dollars
as you see it can be a challenge to user which to choose that will save them lots of money
metering is a pain and it will cause much confusion

SCREW METERING

Unlimited is the best way to go even if you don't use much

no matter how it is implemented metering blows :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22313023 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:13:16 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312746 said by baineschile:

I dont think its a bad idea, just as long as they do it fairly (decreased prices for those who use less?) and have a REASONABLE tiered system.but the thing is they WON'T so therfore why it should be stopped. If you get it in writting and they agree to be severly punished if not "reasonable" ok sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312746 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:23:02 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312670 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312670 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:08:34 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312653 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312653 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:04:29 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312589
You generate the bits, an ISP provides the lanes.

I agree with most of the folks in this thread, if they want to move to a usage based billing model that's fine, but it needs to be reasonable. 1GB,5GB,10GB,40GB, and then the ludicrous "Pay us $150 a month for unlimited" is absurd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312589 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:52:06 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312581 said by S_engineer:

This way the cablecos would have to have to prove their claims before some sort of Public Utilities commission for increases would be approved. I'm just tossing out ideas...if you've got one better I'm all ears..
I agree since at this time its all based that their claims are true but there is no real numbers to back it up. Obviously, companies like Warner have huge motivations to lie and fudge the truth about congestion, upgrades etc.. If what they say is true then they should have no issues for an independent team to study their network issues... but watch how they would fight any action like that.. they would spend millions to keep their networks a secret.

I wish Warner's plan had gone through since it was indeed nuts. It would have started a firestorm of class action lawsuits from large companies like netflix for net neutrality violations. Warner knew this and pulled back.. but they are looking for a different angle. If companies take the comcast approach they will keep the regulators off their backs. If they take a crazy approach then the regulators will step in and it will be their own faults at that point. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312581 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:50:29 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312534 said by baineschile:

I dont think its a bad idea, just as long as they do it fairly (decreased prices for those who use less?) and have a REASONABLE tiered system. They would need a bandwidth meter freely available, and clear and consice overage fees

Also, a 40gb cap that TW was imposing was really low, Comcasts was much more reasonable at 250gb; ATT is in the middle at 140gb(i believe it was close to that)

As long as they review it year to year and realize that usage will increase, they should raise the cap annually.
I think it's great too, you see, from now on, I'll add up all the bandwidth from Comcast users that visit my websites and send Comcast an "overage" bill for too many of their users. I'll set the cap at a generous 10MB a month and for ever byte over that limit, I'll charge a very generous $1 / Megabyte.

I'm just trying to cap the bandwidth hogs that use Comcast so that the service remains fast and to help curtail those pirates, Arrrg!! :p
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There has been no data supplied by any carrier that coild buttress their argument. Furthermore, TW preeeded this mess by stating they might only surgically upgrade in select markets.
Its time this discussion turned to regulating broadband as a utility. This way the cablecos would have to have to prove their claims before some sort of Public Utilities commission for increases would be approved. I'm just tossing out ideas...if you've got one better I'm all ears..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312495 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:32:44 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312481 said by baineschile:

I dont think its a bad idea, just as long as they do it fairly (decreased prices for those who use less?) and have a REASONABLE tiered system. THEY ARE TRYING TO METER AND UNLIMITED RESOURCE. WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS???

Would you prefer the start charging us all for our average oxygen consumption in order to better regulate the environment? It's an UNLIMITED resource. There is NO need to meter it. There is not some company out there hoarding up all of the bits and bytes on the internet.

Not to mention, as has been said time and time again, costs are dropping, user base is increasing and profits are increasing. A company's responsibility to its self is to take it's profit and REINVEST in infrastructure in order to maintain its business model. If it does not do this, then it has no one to blame but itself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312481 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:29:50 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312453 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312453 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:23:38 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312446
If they charged us 2x per GB what it costs them I would be ok with it. Say they pay 10 cents per GB ad 5 cents to get it to us, we would pay 30 cents per GB.

And internet is probably verizons main source of income, so y would they make their main source of income look bad/worse?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312446 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:22:13 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312434 said by baineschile:

I dont think its a bad idea, just as long as they do it fairly (decreased prices for those who use less?) and have a REASONABLE tiered system. They would need a bandwidth meter freely available, and clear and consice overage fees

Also, a 40gb cap that TW was imposing was really low, Comcasts was much more reasonable at 250gb; ATT is in the middle at 140gb(i believe it was close to that)

As long as they review it year to year and realize that usage will increase, they should raise the cap annually.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

First off, I seriously doubt any of the cable companies are going to lower base rates. That would cut into their profits and while those who consume more would pay more, those who consume less would pay less. As the cable companies have said, it is only that 1% that hogs up everything so while you have 1% paying more, you have 99% paying the same or less.

The 40GB cap is useless. You can go over that easily even with legal means like Youtube, MS updates, gaming, etc.

They only "review" that they will do would be how to squeeze that much more out of people. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312434 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:19:39 EDT Re: Metered billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Metered-billing-22312417 said by baineschile:

Also, a 40gb cap that TW was imposing was really low, Comcasts was much more reasonable at 250gb. I find myself seeing that Comcast's approach, with a relatively high limit and throttling of people who go over to be more reasonable and fair than any system that charges overages and has a low cap. At least Comcast can legitimately argue that "it is all about punishing the hogs."

Such an approach also leaves Comcast an incentive to continue network upgrades. TW's approach on the other hand discourages improvements because there is now an incentive to collect more in overages instead of spend money on improvements.

If FIOS goes to caps, and I think they will because Verizon isn't browbeating the cable companies over the caps issue, then this will be a lost cause.
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Also, a 40gb cap that TW was imposing was really low, Comcasts was much more reasonable at 250gb; ATT is in the middle at 140gb(i believe it was close to that)

As long as they review it year to year and realize that usage will increase, they should raise the cap annually.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Metered-billing-22312360 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:07:50 EDT