Charter Reorganization Gets Ugly > This could get interest

reply to iansltx

Re: This could get interest

There's no law against Microsoft or Google buying out other companies, right? Do they still get in trouble for it? very yes.

As for cheap bandwidth if you play your cards right, name me a big data center in STL. Seriously, look around. Cheap bandwidth is available in internet hubs. NYC is one of them...transatlantic cables and an internet exchange or two mean that Cablevision is in a major market for every provider. The providers compete for CV's money, or CV peers with the smaller ones. End of story.

The nearest big IX...and it's not the biggest one...to STL is KC. Several providers are there, but it's not as much of a major market except for budget providers. Or maybe Chicago's nearer. It has good deals on bandwidth, but it's still a ways away.

Again, see which companies offer STL as "on-net". The list is smaller than you'd think, and thus bandwidth may be more expensive.

Cogent is there. Just because you don't have ATT or Sprint bandwidth available doesn't mean anything. Hell look at my city. We have Cogent and many others that have On-net buildings. L3 even has several centers here.

And out of getting in trouble the only real trouble anyone got into was Google and their shady business of DoubleClick. MSFT doesn't really have any problems in the US only in the EU.

Shady with DoubleClick? I'm rejoicing over the fact that DoubleClick's pure evil is being diluted.

As for Cogent, please give me real bandwidth. Don't get me wrong, Cogent is cheap, but look at the fiber path; you're not at a hub. With the peering disputes Cogent has had (they say they're over but they've got Tiscali, AT&T, Verizon and Savvis to tick off next) you just don't want to single-home. St. Louis is thus a secondary market; being Cogent-lit is nice but doesn't mean as much as you'd think.

Cogent is in the same buildings as others. You should go search it out before knocking them. And it's not their fault they compete on dollar where ATT and VZ won't and charge a prem. for services. Hell I can get a Qwest T1 cheaper than going direct. And that's sad. Price is everything. Not provider.

On the whole datacenter thing, the burden of proof is on you since you mentioned cheap bandwidth in STL. Might be, but you mentioned it

As far as Cogent pricing goes, the problem is with sites that aren't right on their network. Cogent peering points are few and far between, so you might have to take a circuitous route to get to a given website. Additionally, in some cases you can get Level3 cheaper than Cogent, and L3 has a vastly superior network.

I have bought a few virtual private servers. One is on a Cogent-only connection. Others use a combination of networks that includes Comcast. One uses Level3 as a main carrier. Guess which one has the slowest connection to most sites?

Price isn't everything, otherwise everyone would be on Cogent. Then again, Cogent ain't the cheapest anymore in many locations. Check out iptelligent.com. Problem: nothing in STL.

»www.isp-planet.com/img/backbones···kMap.jpg

Cogent may not be the cheapest(do not know) but they are definitely in St. Louis.

»www.cogentco.com/us/network_pops.php

I noticed that. I apparently need to take a quick geography course from my thirteen-year-old brother; I was looking in the wrong place for St. Louis (KC and STL are on opposite sides of the state, who knew) and thus missed the fact that there's Cogent fiber running right through town.