 RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | reply to baineschile
Re: All that money... If comcast comes out with a 100Mb..$99 tier with their final d3 plans I just think it's all over for both uverse AND fios.
They will be everywhere so much sooner than the competition and it will be years in some cases where anyone can compete with that. They'll set a new standard nationwide and it's hard to see why anyone really would switch or what could be compelling enough about these other services to cause them to want to. Obviously that doesn't include people who have poor service for whatever reason but I'm talking about the majority of people and how it will impact these other companies.
What people aren't really realizing here is how expensive things like fios is to roll out. And how time consuming it is. And all the while they're losing these massive numbers of phone customers and dsl customers. The very heart of their companies is being eaten out from under them while they're spending massive amounts of money to try to replace it. And that is not a formula for business success. If anything..it's comcast who gets to grow stronger because of it and allows them unprecedented ability to then enter a price war when this is all said and done.
I've said it before and will say it again. Docsis 3.0 is to DDR what fios is to Rambus. Maybe fios is the better technology when it comes to the specs..but that doesn't mean they win the market race. Price and availability is what wins that. And if they're looking now at a nationwide d3 rollout by this year or next..it's going to be amazingly difficult to ever stop them.
And these numbers posted today just prove it once again.
It really is quite the business success story I think.
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blips
join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL | What about the caps? When people start hitting their caps they will move to the service without them. |
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RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | said by blips:What about the caps? When people start hitting their caps they will move to the service without them. Comcast has shown though to be very responsive to that as well.
250 gigs compared to all we've read around this website is a HUGE number and really is there to stop the abusers from affecting the rest of us. And remember, that's with existing capacity and infrastructure.
When d3 is rolled out nationwide and higher speeds are the norm personally i'd suspect they'll be even more flexible.
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | reply to Rick
Over for uverse, possibly.
Over for FIOS? Hardly. |
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Artec
join:2003-02-23
Middletown, NJ | reply to Rick
Comcast will over take FIOS with a 100mb tier? R u kidding me? In my neighborhood alone. at least 1/2 of the houses have gone to FIOS from comcast and a good part of those who I know who got it will NEVER GO back to comcraptic
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to ptrowski
said by ptrowski:Over for uverse, possibly. Over for FIOS? Hardly. Why do you say that? JUST becuase it's "Fiber" service doesn't make Verizon's FiOS service anything special.
It's not ALL about the connection. Verizon still has a horrible rap for pricing, billing, customer service, and that they play games with their customer's services and what they can do with it.
Just becuase FiOS seems to be fairly straight forward, that's for now.. don't think for once moment that as they migrate people over to a FiOS offering that they will move the game to FiOS from their traditional services. Prices are already going up with FiOS.. and, well, people just don't forget how they were treated in the past by ANY provider.
To this day, I give Qwest/US West as LITTLE of my business as I have to. I have stand alone DSL with them and that's it! I'd much rather tie two cans and string together than use their dial tone ever again.
Further, when it comes to Verizon, stop and think with out blinders on for a moment. They treat their classic services one way. FiOS is under a whole other set of rules and pricing/offerings. Its the same company.. why do you think FiOS is treated any different? ... becuase they want to sell it. They're not being good guys and treating FiOS any different to be nice.. they're doing it to make it attractive, right now. In 10 years, lets have this talk and see how wonderful Verizon treats FiOS people. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to Artec
... and I'd bet that half of those 1/2 of houses in your area don't even know what the difference between fiber vs coax much less what each are.
In your case, it's about reliability, which I will give FiOS service and reputation, which comcast has a bad on in Jersey. It's not about the fiber. That's just, well, it all just comes out one's arse! |
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ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
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Comcast has the same rap for pricing, billing, etc. That usually comes with just about any large company. Some are better than others, but let's not try to say that comcast's CS is on a higher tier than VZ.
I am looking for a pure technology aspect. Uverse will not be able to compete with the OOL, Comcast, Verizon on a speed basis. It just won't and can't happen.
We have seen what Fios has done in competing markets and it is impressive. Look at the recent "victory" so to speak in the metered billing arena.
Is Fios the magic bullet to our need for speed? Hardly. But in scalabilty etc D3 will not in my opinion kill Fios. It just won't happen.
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 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | reply to Rick
said by Rick:said by blips:What about the caps? When people start hitting their caps they will move to the service without them. 250 gigs compared to all we've read around this website is a HUGE number and really is there to stop the abusers from affecting the rest of us. ummmm... Hello, it's not about abuse. 
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 baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | reply to blips
Increased speed doenst mean increased volume.
Just because you buy a faster car, doesnt mean you will drive further in a month. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to ptrowski
And I agree with what you said.
The thing that I'm still skeptical on is that we have all seen companies come out with one position which is popular at the time, and the flip sides down the road when opportunity served them well to do so.
I really don't think FiOS will remain un-metered for long after the rest of them do it, IF they do.
Verizon was also up there with trying to get "more money for using our pipes"... they don't have a pure innocent past. They also have the history of throttling and restricting the use on their wireless service.
I agree they are not at the moment, BUT, they have demonstrated that they are not incapable of doing the meter. Personally, I see that as a PR move on their part while it's convenient to do so. I trust no company on face value, not even comcast, not even cable.
But, I will 100% agree with you that Comcast has a LARGE way to go before I'd call their so-called "customer service" department.. "service".. With me, if the company I've been with and "loyal" to has treated me like crap, the other side will get a chance to keep my business. Once the other one treats me like crap, then I evaluate who treated me less crappily (If that's a word) and I stay with them.
Techies, for sure, will drool all over the fiber service> Many will go by price, value, and company reputation, I believe. At least for all the years I've had my hands on the products, and listening to people IN their homes and why they do things, both on the receiving and losing end, this is what I base my theory on. 15 years of that, and during the course of evolution of services, you tend to pick up on these things all the time. |
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Valencia, CA
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There's a bunch of AT&T U-verse systems on fiber too. Capped with same speeds as its VDSL cousin. The only benefit is lower latency. Fiber is great but it's what its attached to that makes the real difference.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to Rick
Uverse yes, FiOS no. FiOS may be slower, but in 5-10 years FTTH will be king, granted comcast may move to FTTH too you never know, if they did comcast would be un-stoppable once 200m-1000m connections are available at a decent cost. Once 100m is available to every comcast costumer I hope the up the caps, 250GB may be a lot but with 100m it is not as much as it used to be 500GB would work I think.
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said by baineschile:Increased speed doenst mean increased volume. Just because you buy a faster car, doesnt mean you will drive further in a month. Really ? Of course I would drive further, because it would use LESS time.
If I had to drive 3 hrs or one hr to reach a place WILL have an effect on my decision.
If we we would look at the longer trend, say between dial up and broadband access, surely increased speed did not mean increased volume. It is just that AVAILABILITY of speed without artificial caps brought us the Internet we have today. If short sighted policies driven by greed would have succeeded then, where would we have been technologically today ?
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said by hopeflicker:said by Rick:said by blips:What about the caps? When people start hitting their caps they will move to the service without them. 250 gigs compared to all we've read around this website is a HUGE number and really is there to stop the abusers from affecting the rest of us. ummmm... Hello, it's not about abuse. The "abusers" never affected any other users, just overall usage and maybe the revenue from CC's video business. The heavy users were targeted on a nationwide average usage model.
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said by Rick:Comcast has shown though to be very responsive to that as well. Funny that "responsiveness" was caused by the Florida Attorney General.
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said by Rick:When d3 is rolled out nationwide and higher speeds are the norm personally i'd suspect they'll be even more flexible. Without a doubt, don't let the fact that D3 users got "the call" about excessive usage shake your rosy suspicion of the Comcastic world.
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said by fiberguy:said by ptrowski:Over for uverse, possibly. Over for FIOS? Hardly. Why do you say that? JUST becuase it's "Fiber" service doesn't make Verizon's FiOS service anything special. It's not ALL about the connection. Verizon still has a horrible rap for pricing, billing, customer service, and that they play games with their customer's services and what they can do with it. Just becuase FiOS seems to be fairly straight forward, that's for now.. don't think for once moment that as they migrate people over to a FiOS offering that they will move the game to FiOS from their traditional services. Prices are already going up with FiOS.. and, well, people just don't forget how they were treated in the past by ANY provider. To this day, I give Qwest/US West as LITTLE of my business as I have to. I have stand alone DSL with them and that's it! I'd much rather tie two cans and string together than use their dial tone ever again. Further, when it comes to Verizon, stop and think with out blinders on for a moment. They treat their classic services one way. FiOS is under a whole other set of rules and pricing/offerings. Its the same company.. why do you think FiOS is treated any different? ... becuase they want to sell it. They're not being good guys and treating FiOS any different to be nice.. they're doing it to make it attractive, right now. In 10 years, lets have this talk and see how wonderful Verizon treats FiOS people. You have a good point. However, we have subpar service with bad pricing from Comcast now, let's worry about that instead of throwing mud on FiOS that at least tries to do something right for whatever (possible bad) ulterior motive.
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said by fiberguy:... and I'd bet that half of those 1/2 of houses in your area don't even know what the difference between fiber vs coax much less what each are. In your case, it's about reliability, which I will give FiOS service and reputation, which comcast has a bad on in Jersey. It's not about the fiber. That's just, well, it all just comes out one's arse! That's right ! Why take a chance and go with something that everyone that uses says it is light years ahead and better ? Stay with the garbage you know is bad TODAY !
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to Rick
said by Rick:really is there to stop the abusers from affecting the rest of us. Why, in 2009, is this even an issue? Maybe they should spend some of that advertising budget on advancing technology so one or two users can't kill the port.
But you can really parrot their PR machine. |
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