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Sandvine Fluff

@videotron.ca

Sandvine-CRTC filing. "DPI is necessary"


Sandvine CRTC filing on Network Management (TPN2008-19 Review of Internet Traffic Management Practices of Internet Service Providers).

"DPI is necessary"

Lewism8

join:2008-04-25
Quebec, QC
They need customers so "DPI is necessary"

Idiots.


An_Onymous

@teksavvy.com
reply to Sandvine Fluff
They talked about their version of congestion control, but does not mean BCE is using the same in throttling.

They are telling their version of truth, but has no bearing on what BCE is doing.


yeppers

@videotron.ca
Seems more like a commercial than a filing.


El Quintron
KvF Uh-huh-uh

join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
reply to Sandvine Fluff
Hmm another massive push against Sandvine?


El Quintron
KvF Uh-huh-uh

join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Acanac

reply to Sandvine Fluff
My Submission

To whom this may concern,

I would like voice my opposition to Sandvine Incorporated's submission that DPI is a necessary for of traffic management.

Sandvine Incorporated is a biased party, that sells DPI software to Bell Canada, and formerly to Comcast Communications.

Its views should largely be regarded as a lobbying effort for its continued existance in the Canadian Market.

Sandvine's views should largely be regarded as advertising, as the company does not provide a service to Canadians or promote Internet Growth in Canada.

Regards,
Xxxx Xxxxx,
--
Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.

nigrunze

join:2009-02-14
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
reply to Sandvine Fluff
Re: Sandvine-CRTC filing. "DPI is necessary"

said by Sandvine Fluff :

"DPI is necessary for us to gain profits"
I fixed your quote.


AkFubar
Resistance is Futile

join:2005-02-28
Toronto Can.
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico


1 edit
reply to Sandvine Fluff
meh... same old BS line; "We are improving your internet experience" (by degrading it, and limiting it). It always makes me laugh that no customers have asked for this, yet the major service providers make the decision unilaterally that this is in the customer's best interest (as if there was ever a choice).
--
"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai


AkFubar
Resistance is Futile

join:2005-02-28
Toronto Can.
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico

reply to El Quintron
Re: My Submission

said by El Quintron See Profile :

To whom this may concern,

I would like voice my opposition to Sandvine Incorporated's submission that DPI is a necessary for of traffic management.

Sandvine Incorporated is a biased party, that sells DPI software to Bell Canada, and formerly to Comcast Communications.

Its views should largely be regarded as a lobbying effort for its continued existance in the Canadian Market.

Sandvine's views should largely be regarded as advertising, as the company does not provide a service to Canadians or promote Internet Growth in Canada.

Regards,
Xxxx Xxxxx,
Heyyyy... good one! I likee
--
"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai

HeadSpinning

join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
Bell doesn't use Sandvine.


HiVolt
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
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·TekSavvy Solutions..

said by HeadSpinning See Profile :

Bell doesn't use Sandvine.
I think it's been said a few times by Bell folks that they use Ellacoya.
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GOLF LEAFS GOLF!


l0thar

join:2005-12-29
Far Far Away

said by HiVolt See Profile :

said by HeadSpinning See Profile :

Bell doesn't use Sandvine.
I think it's been said a few times by Bell folks that they use Ellacoya.
Yes, and I believe it's been mentioned as well that BCE has partial ownership of this evil company.

Google search reveals Ellacoya was purchased last year by Arbor Networks even their domain name is redirected).

Read their sales pitch for the evil boxes here : »www.arbornetworks.com/index.php?···emid=693


Roger Roberts

@rogers.com
reply to Sandvine Fluff
Re: Sandvine-CRTC filing. "DPI is necessary"

Every website to Sandvine: "Fuck you, we're gonna go SSL"

SSL doesn't really have much bandwidth overhead and computation is so damn cheap now, there is very little reason most websites can't go HTTPS.

shepd

join:2004-01-17
Kitchener, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..

reply to Sandvine Fluff
Boy, this makes me glad I gave up the free beer and ended up working elsewhere. I have to admit, though, my boss was a stand up guy. Oh well...

Point 6 is (or or will be) a lie. The best DPI systems would implement caching for streaming video, I'm guessing Sandvine doesn't do this (yet).

16 I know personally is an absolute and complete utter lie. One of Sandvine's most popular solutions was to combine logging activities with their DPI hardware. You could buy several TB log servers just for this purpose. The idea was that when you call up support they could check your account on this log server and see if you have viruses or are running P2P so they could weed out people who just can't fix their PCs vs. people with bad connections.

17 is just plain stupid. Encrypted communications are private by their very nature. If I walk into most museums and start taking pictures (especially with an SLR) I'll be escorted out by the police, because it's trespassing. I'll probably be served, too, if it's obvious I was intended to be a douche about it.

18 -- Yes, that's why we want DPI banned for PUBLIC usage, not PRIVATE. Duh.

19 -- WTF??? How the hell can inspecting a packet help you take an IPv4 address and put it on an IPv6 network without modifying the contents of the packet? And I thought you just said in point 6 you don't inspect the content? How do you even know it's an IPv4 packet then?

20 -- See 19.

22, 24, 26 -- Contradict point 6, again.

25 -- So, because Google does it differently, that's how it's all done, right? I use a 1541 disk drive (Commodore), so *OBVIOUSLY* my PC can read the disks, you know, because *I* do it that way. Yup. Awesome argument.

27 - 29 -- Nothing at all to do with DPI.

30 - 32 -- Direct assault on net neutrality. Pay more for real internet, pay less for fake internet. Why go through the effort with DPI? Just dump in a forced proxy server and you're gold if you just want to provide KIRF internet.

35 -- In my opinion, nothing is a bigger hog than work VPNs. So let's boot off these corporate hogs. Oh wait, this is all opinion based and therefore total BS, right?

36 -- "Maximizing" their experience they way they did with Comcast, yes? Yes, I sure do feel people had their experience with tech-support "maximized".

41 -- If my IP started with 192.168, 172.16-30, or 10. this is right. Guess what, that's not what any of this is about.

42 -- The US Government, of all people, has told you, Sandvine, that you *are* impersonating people on the internet by injecting RST packets. STFU already!

Sandvine, you are embarassing my hometown. If you are going to write shit, at least make it coherent shit.


so shepd

@videotron.ca
submit what you wrote here to the CRTC


mazhurg
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·MTS

reply to shepd
24 - Google - While Google does inspect the content of your transaction with it (Both Google and Gmail) to present targeted advertisement, the user has the ability to turn it off (not use it) versus a system like yours, where a user has no choices.
--
"Vision without funds....
is a hallucination"


Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18
·TekSavvy Solutions..

Seems like they raised great points, shame they are comparing apples to oranges and it has no merit in the current issues we are facing today. Thus any views and or comments made by Sandvine should be taken with a grain of salt since it is evident they are speaking in half truths for their own corporate interests.


pnjunction
Teksavvy Premium
Premium
join:2008-01-24
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..

reply to Sandvine Fluff
Well isn't that convenient for their bottom line. I'm just reading the point 1:

Sandvine (or the Company) is a Canadian company located in the heart of the Region
of Waterloo technology cluster. The Company was established in 2001 and employs
over 250 people in Canada. Sandvine has twice been named to the Deloitte
Technology Fast 50 list of fastest growing technology companies in Canada: in 2007
Sandvine was the top company and in 2008 Sandvine was ranked seventh. The
Company was identified in the National Post as one of Canada's Top 100 Corporate
R&D Spenders, based on fiscal 2007 spending. For the last three years Sandvine has
been named one of the top 50 "Best Workplaces in Canada" in Canadian Business
magazine.


This is relevant to the debate? The relevant thing here they avoided is "We make money selling DPI hardware to ISPs." (regardless of why they actually want it)

I also see they're perpetuating this 'application signature' garbage, as if Bell has any business looking beyond the PPPoE header and into our packets to get at this 'application signature'.

To reason this they show a layer graph for TCP/IP, ignoring the fact that what Bell provides is not TCP/IP service. NONE of the layers in the TCP/IP packet are any of their business.


TSI Jason
Premium
join:2007-10-19


1 edit
reply to Sandvine Fluff
quote:
17. As described above, Sandvine submits that the use of DPI-based congestion
management solutions do not create a privacy concern in that they do not inspect
content for the purposes of traffic classification, nor is any such information stored
within such solutions. Despite this fact, certain respondents5 claim that somehow the
mere presence of DPI-based technology itself raises privacy issues, and have called
for an outright ban on any such technology. Imagine if this approach were applied to
other technologies, such as those supporting cameras. Single Lens Reflex (SLR)
technology underlies cameras that take photos at family birthday parties. The same
technology has been applied for surveillance of individuals and public spaces. One
use of the technology raises privacy issues, the other does not. Nobody questions the
value or validity of the camera technology. So why question DPI technology?
Privacy concerns properly attach to applications or uses of technologies, not to the
technologies themselves.
I "like" this one the best, they're comparing cameras to DPI which is not even in the same ballpark. That statement alone could be ripped apart any number of ways.

There are any number of laws governing where, when, and how you can take pictures. I've had to remove people from the premesis at a previous job for that very reason and request the film from their camera, or make sure they had erased any digital copies. Not to mention some provinces have ownership laws for pictures taken that a person or distinguishable business in the photos would require (at the very least, some laws are more extensive) you to get a signed release form from the party to even use them.

If they're referring to law enforcement, at that point they'd have a reason to be looking into your activities and its part of their job if they find evidence to support that, not that of an ISP or Company.

That being said, there are no laws governing DPI at the moment.

I read a lot about these issues but don't post often, sometimes makes me want to pull my hair out at how irrational people are in order to make a few bucks on the side.

Anyways, work to be done! *works busily*
--
TSI Jason - TekSavvy Solutions, Inc.
Authorized TSI employee (»TekSavvy FAQ »Official support in the forum )


pnjunction
Teksavvy Premium
Premium
join:2008-01-24
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..

reply to Sandvine Fluff
quote:
DPI-supported policies will offer consumers more choices

30. Service providers are just beginning to explore other uses of DPI that can make their
service offerings more attractive to consumers in an increasingly competitive Internet
access market. High-speed Internet services are largely offered in the form of flat
rate, monthly, unlimited plans. Consumers may be interested in other types of service
plans that better reflect the unique ways that they use their Internet connections.
Oooh I can't wait for all of these exciting choices!!! The service offerings in this 'increasingly competitive' market Bell wants are SO attractive. 1/3 the bandwidth for the same price, and no speed increase? I NEED IT NOW

I'm so tired of paying reasonable rates for a decent amount of bandwidth that I am free to use as I wish, HELP ME DPI!!! Give me some "other type of service" based on the "unique ways" I use my internet connection. TAKE MY MONEY AWAY
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