FreshDaemon
join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
|  [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20%
My news provider is Newsgroupdirect, I have an unlimited SSL connection and am allowed 20 threads. I have tried decreasing the number of threads but that makes no difference until I get below 5 or so, then it gets even slower.
I have verified with a bandwidth monitor that this is not false reporting. Screenshot attached.
If I restart the software, it immediately begins at 610KBPs, and then drops to 490 again, after exactly the same period of time. A speed test run after the problem has begun shows 5.17Mbps down and 0.65Mbps up, which is normal.
NewsbinPro and Grabit both do exactly the same thing. However, if I run Grabit and Newsbin at the same time, working on different downloads, the sum of their speeds will be the full 610KBps. Either one run individually will fall to 490KBps after a short time, though.
Also, I noticed that overnight and this morning, it seemed to run at full speed, but starting at about 1PM today, it's back to 490 again.
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EvilByDesire
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join:2002-09-03
Grotto | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% possible ISP throttle? | |
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 | FreshDaemon
join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% It's SSL encrypted, so it shouldn't be.
The throttled speed for Bittorrent on my ISP is 50KBps down, though, so 490 seems a little high. I also assume that if it were ISP throttling, then running two newsreaders shouldn't produce full speed. | |
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EvilByDesire
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join:2002-09-03
Grotto
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1 edit | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% said by FreshDaemon  :It's SSL encrypted, so it shouldn't be. The throttled speed for Bittorrent on my ISP is 50KBps down, though, so 490 seems a little high. I also assume that if it were ISP throttling, then running two newsreaders shouldn't produce full speed. your isp can drop your speed anytime they want, read your agreement, if they feel you are useing to much bandwidth they can slow you down.. SSL or no SSL the isp can throttle you..and plus it only happens at "peak" times so thats another vote for your isp doing something.. | |
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join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% But wouldn't they just slow down my entire connection - which would mean that I couldn't aggregate two newsreaders together to get around the throttle?
Also, I happen to have a good ISP that doesn't believe in throttling or capping. If you don't believe me I'm sure I could PM one of their reps to post in this thread. 
Edit: for clarity, I'm not being throttled. I still have full speed for Usenet. I just have to run two newsreaders to get it. | |
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EvilByDesire
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join:2002-09-03
Grotto | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% mabey you need to use more or less connections, if it says 20 connections dont use all 20, only use half. | |
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join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% I already tried that. See original post. 1 thread alone is enough to max out 490KBps, I've tried any number of threads from 1 to the full 20. Right now I'm splitting 12 threads between two newsreaders to get full speed. | |
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NewsgroupRev
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join:2008-06-25
| Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% If you are using port 563 for secure connection to NGD try changing to port 443. NGD supports the alternate port and this will help determine if it's a throttling issue.
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join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% [23:13:54] Level: ERROR MODULE=InterSocket, MSG=Error: Connection Failed, Host: news-ssl.newsgroupdirect.com Error Code: 10061:1034
Doesn't seem to like that port.
Additionally, the speed has started swinging around wildly for the last hour or two (after an initial few minutes at full speed) and running much slower than it should - even with both newsreaders. Image attached. Speedtest.net still shows a full 5.16Mbps down and 0.65Mbps up.
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swintec
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join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% Instead of port 563 with SSL, try either port 80, or port 81. 443 is no longer supported.
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join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% Didn't help. Additionally, with just one newsreader I'm now only able to get 93KBps. With two it just swings about as I described before.
My ISP is pretty good but the company that owns the actual lines is Bell Canada, who are busy breaking the law and screwing customers right now. I'm increasingly suspicious that they're at the bottom of this. | |
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join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% Update: I think NewsgroupDirect is to blame for this.
I got a free trial with NNTPJunkie to test another provider, I couldn't connect to their SSL for some reason, but on the non-SSL connection I was able to maintain full speed for about 25 minutes, and downloaded 700MB. I only stopped at that point because the free trial is only 1GB, and I wanted to leave some to test the SSL service (assuming I can get through). No problems, though.
I went back to NewsgroupDirect, just to check it wasn't the time of day or anything and sure enough, after 250MB of downloading (which takes 5-10 minutes) it started doing the exact same thing again. However, although the average speed in that initial time is faster, it's a lot more peaky than NNTPJunkie's.
I'll send NGD a message and ask them what they're playing at. If they can't fix it or they don't answer, I'll just cancel my subscription with them and go with someone else. | |
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ophelus
join:2004-01-11
Denver, CO | This is all too common.. reminds me of the days I believe that giganews was throttling even though they were unlimited.. that was a few years ago.. but if there not throttling you.. then it's a ssl issue is my other educated guess.. | |
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| FreshDaemon
join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% It's definitely NGD. I used a 15GB free trial with NewsDemon and everything went fine, and if two other providers don't have a problem I have a hard time believing it's anything on my end. One of their techs said he'd look into it on Saturday, but their servers were working (that's true, if they're designed to cap you). Haven't heard anything since then.
Time to send them an angry message and cancel my account.
Edit: Also, my speed is now capped at 60KBps and has been for 48 hours. At this rate it should be completely shut off by tomorrow! | |
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| | | FreshDaemon
join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% Yeah, I went straight back to NGD after finishing with Newsdemon and NGD was still doing exactly the same thing.
I'm wondering who to go with. Possibly Astraweb? | |
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ophelus
join:2004-01-11
Denver, CO
| Whoever.. I'm partial to giganews myself.. (with them not even hitting there quota's I would only bother with resellers) but considering a astraweb trial with all the buzz about it.. did I try them like 3-4 years ago?? maybe 5.. maybe.. I forget the name of the company back then before I went full newshosting..
giganews proprosed resellers are..
powerusenet is supposed to be one
and in theory usenet.net is too..
Remember most should have trials for yah.. | |
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| huginmunin
join:2009-05-24
| Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% I'm having the exact same problems with NGD. First, download was capped at around 5mbits/s, then after a couple of days it was capped at 2mbit/s. I sent them an email, and they replied plz. give us traceroute to identify the problem. A couple of hours after the download was the full 10mbit/s again. So I downloaded a couple of GB, an then it was down to 3mbit/s, and after a while it was down to 2mbit/s again.
I have a 3 months unlimited account, and my 10mbit/s connection is not the problem. (it's a university uplink on the country backbone, and all other download tests give a full 10mbit). I've also tried a different location on campus with different IP, but with 100mbit/s connection. Same story. Thinking it might be that my MAC(NIC) was capped on the university network, I tried a 20mbit/s private provider uplink. Same story there too.
So, I figure its NGD capping download speeds. And it figures too, I've downloaded some 1,4TB (1080p mkv's) the last 16 days. I'm probably not a very profitable customer. | |
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Pipo
| Dear all,
I have quite the same problem with NGD and my 10Mbit Cable connection.
Since September 2008 I got this problem:
5 minutes after I launch my newsgroup reader, the download speed fall down from 1.3 MB/s to 300KB/s.
This problem does not appear on the beginning of a month, but in the middle of each month and disappear each first day of the next month.
Here is the test I made:
1- Using my account = the download speed fall down to 300KB/S after 5 minutes.
2- Using another account that a friend lent me = the download speed stay to 1.3MB/s
Some days after my test, my friend hoe lent me his account face of the same problem.
I open a ticket by the NGD Support and here is the answer:
"I have validated that your account is set up properly and our servers are operating normally.
Unfortunately, there is nothing else we can do about speed issues. "
You can be sure I will cancel my "Unlimited - 12 Months" plan ASAP | |
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Pipo
| Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% said by swintec :Do you have any idea what kind of traffic you do per week or month, in terms of GBs? It would seem at least to them, you are running up a certain total that they do not like, within two weeks time. On May, the problem comes after about 200GB (I download a lots each other months).
I think you are right, they don't like the big amount of my download.. but at least they can tell me that... | |
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cooldude9919
join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
clubs:
| Newsdemon started capping me today. Given i have done almost 250gb this month which is higher than my normal of only around 100-150gb.
Are they the only ones doing this? If so then i will be jumping ship. I did get it on their big discount so im only paying like $11/mo.
Thinking of trying usenetnow since they offered beta testing here on dslr, though there are a lot of good offers out right now (astraweb and usenetserver for around the same price) | |
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| | cooldude9919
join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
clubs:
1 edit | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% said by swintec :said by cooldude9919 :Newsdemon started capping me today. Given i have done almost 250gb this month which is higher than my normal of only around 100-150gb. Did they admit to you they capped you? What were you limited to? No they didnt, but does it not seem to match up with what the other guys where saying? It was around 4-5mbit. | |
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cooldude9919
join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
clubs:
1 edit | Here is a picture of it in action. It goes fine for a few minutes then drops down to around ~4mbit. If i stop and resart my connection it will do the same thing again.
Ignore the choppy bandwidth, i had changed it over to SSL to see if that made a difference (it didnt) and it seems to do that when doing ssl which is why i dont normally use it.
Also i suppose there is a small chance it is my ISP Charter, but i havent heard of them doing anything like this yet. Also while this is going on i can start a download from IE or something like that and i will get my normal speed with that file. | |
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Pipo
| For all guys that have this problem:
After the download speed drop down, can you try to uncheck/check some of the connections threads in your news reader ?
I use grabit and in my case and just after I uncheck/check some connections threads, the speed go up to full speed for 5 minutes and after that drop down again... this work for some days but after the speed limit cannot be changed like that... | |
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cooldude9919
join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
clubs: | fyi i canceled newsdemon and moved to usenetnow. So far so good, speeds seem to be higher and more consistent. | |
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FreshDaemon
join:2007-09-25
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| It started happening to me after about 500GB. Seems to me they'd do it just to annoy their heaviest downloaders and get them to go elsewhere, and it's probably the parent server and not NGD/Newsdemon or whoever. Actually cutting us off would be a violation of terms of service, so this is the next best thing, apparently.
I'm with Astraweb now and will see how that goes! | |
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| | unoriginal
join:2000-07-12
San Diego, CA | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% So is there a cutoff point that applies to usenetnow users? | |
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Pipo
| As usual, this is the beginning of the month and my download stay at full speed (1.3MB/s) | |
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kaexo
join:2008-11-29
| I just got Newsdemon. I knew $14.99 a month for their top account was too good to be true.
I went from 1,800KB/s to 500KB/s after about 1 to 1.5TB of downloading.
It starts strong... 2min later... drops. I reboot it.. starts strong.. drops.
THANK YOU NEWSDEMON FOR LYING TO ME. YOU THROTTLE LIKE CRAZY. DON'T ADVERTISE LIES.
Sorry, had to get that off my chest. | |
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| cooldude9919
join:2000-05-29
Cape Girardeau, MO
clubs:
| Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% said by kaexo :I just got Newsdemon. I knew $14.99 a month for their top account was too good to be true. I went from 1,800KB/s to 500KB/s after about 1 to 1.5TB of downloading. It starts strong... 2min later... drops. I reboot it.. starts strong.. drops. THANK YOU NEWSDEMON FOR LYING TO ME. YOU THROTTLE LIKE CRAZY. DON'T ADVERTISE LIES. Sorry, had to get that off my chest. I only did around 300-400gb and i was throttled.
Anyway i am very happy with usenetnow, speeds are always very fast. My 1 month was just about up so i signed up for the 3 months at a time deal auto renew. | |
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join:2000-07-12
San Diego, CA | Re: [Newsgroups] Usenet speed consistently down by 20% Damn. If you really downloaded over 1TB I think I would be less concerned about your news provider capping you and more worried about TWC pulling your connection instead. | |
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