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balaton
join:2003-03-28
Pomona, NY
| [FWD] Free world dialup Even since I actually paid the $30 for a couple of FWD numbers, I have problems making and receiving calls. All the tech documentation disappeared from the website. I used FWD for a very long time and was always able to fix the issues before. Now that it costs money, the whole thing went down the drain. I know that they changed their SIP server, but my reconfigured phones don't work even when they are 'registered'. Are the 612 613 numbers still around? Is there a test number? | |
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usa2k
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join:2003-01-26
Canton, MI
clubs: | Re: [FWD] Free world dialup 612/613 look dead for my SIP calls from VOIPo  | |
| | balaton
join:2003-03-28
Pomona, NY | Re: [FWD] Free world dialup Hello usa2k,
the sip server is: sip.fwdi.net
Try that, maybe you have more luck than I do. Did you have to change your config at the end of March? | |
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usa2k
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1 edit | Re: [FWD] Free world dialup sip:613@fwd.pulver.com stays dead silent.
sip:613@sip.fwdi.net gets a busy tone
EDIT: Well, I've lost interest ... | |
| | | | balaton
join:2003-03-28
Pomona, NY | Re: [FWD] Free world dialup usa2k, nice to see you after all these years in this forum. I haven't visited here regularly for many years. I remember you from the early Vonage years  | |
| | | | | | | | kieranmullen
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join:2005-12-12
Portland, OR
clubs: | Re: [FWD] Free world dialup Meh? Dash with their thousands hundreds tens of dollars ? | |
| | andre2
join:2005-08-24
Brookline, MA
| said by PX Eliezer  :So, what do folks think? Is this a case of "We got the cash, so now let's dash?" I created a free account back in December (no longer accessible). From the FWD forums (also no longer accessible) in the following months, there was no evidence that paid accounts had better service. People with paid accounts were unable to access them when I could. IMO there was never any intention of continuing service to anyone. | |
| Test99
Premium
join:2003-04-24
San Jose, CA | I just tried calling 613@fwd.pulver.com. Immediately there was a call back on the same phone (which accepts URI-dialed calls). Talking to myself on one phone was difficult. I conferenced the two calls together and got cascading echoes. | |
| Test99
Premium
join:2003-04-24
San Jose, CA | Dialing 613@sip.fwdi.net also resulted in an incoming call. I am not an FWD subscriber. | |
| B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
1 edit | Wow, so it really is a dead service now. 
Remember after the pay program was announced, when we were watching that active connections counter waiting for it to drop to the floor?
»[Poll]What are your plans for FWD's pay to play?
So this is how tech pioneers die - with indifference.
-- B
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In a realm outside causality and function | |
| | balaton
join:2003-03-28
Pomona, NY | Re: [FWD] Free world dialup If Jeff said that well donate $30 for the past 8 year of service, I would have gladly done it, but that's not what was asked. I hoped that I am paying for continuing service. Anyone using Sipphone or something similar? Which one is working well? | |
| mazilo
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join:2002-05-30
Lilburn, GA
1 edit | As PX Eliezer described about Teleblend Forum here, I believe the saying goes also WELL to FWD as a whole (let alone FWDOut is completely out a.k.a DEAD).  | |
| fortissimo
join:2003-10-17
Richmond, BC
| Hm a bit sad. I think Jeff is a good person (may be I'm biased as he is a ham radio operator also). We did exchange some emails some (long?) time ago and he was looking for fresh ideas to go (regarding FWD and VOIP), and I wrote him what I thought (as limited in industry experience since I never worked professionally in this area).
Now w/ the news coming out that RIM and Cisco joining to push Unified Comm., I wasn't far off telling him to look "hard" into adapting mobile side of things (aka cellphones or like devices).
Our convo didn't include FWD specifically though, and I had no privy info from him either.
I think it was a bad move for FWD trying to ask for subsciption money. It was just not the right timing, as service was dropping, not increasing; and it was hardly an incentive to ask for payment. They could look at an advertising support model, or something else, I don't know.
FWD has been around and free (as in beer), and free stuff has its own attraction. Changing to a paid model, is not easy, as paid model, requires its own incentive, which FWD lacks.
I didn't pay FWD a penny at all, but I do want to give them moral support if I could. | |
| dberninger
join:2007-07-24
USA
| Folks,
The main thread seems to be FWD is not what it used to be.
This is quite correct.
How could it be? Jeff Pulver spent $4 million + on the service over the years as a experiment in support of the VON events.
VON events ended. The value of a standard SIP registration as an experiment ended.
The $30 annual service was assembled to support the users that did not want to bother jumping to one of the other free options.
FWD was always advertised as an "experiment" not a free ride in perpetuity.
FWD remains an "experiment" but at this point we are looking at activities in high definition voice.
Take a look at Jeff's HD Communication Summit in NYC on May 21, 2009 - »www.hdcomms.com
A basic standard definition legacy SIP registration service remains up under new SIP domain - sip.fwdi.net
my.FWD, FWD.Communicator, voicemail, service numbers, voicemail all reached end of life in March 2009.
Please send support questions to fwd@pulver.com.
If you are interested in the new HD activities, please contact me directly at the email address below.
Regards,
Dan
..........................................
Daniel Berninger
CEO, FWD
sip HD: 1006@sip.fwdi.net
tel SD: +1.202.250.3838
e: dan@danielberninger.com
w: www.siptosip.net | |
| | PX Eliezer
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| Re: [FWD] Free world dialup said by balaton :Even since I actually paid the $30 for a couple of FWD numbers, I have problems making and receiving calls. All the tech documentation disappeared from the website. I used FWD for a very long time and was always able to fix the issues before. Now that it costs money, the whole thing went down the drain. I know that they changed their SIP server, but my reconfigured phones don't work even when they are 'registered'. Are the 612 613 numbers still around? Is there a test number? said by dberninger :The $30 annual service was assembled to support the users that did not want to bother jumping to one of the other free options. FWD was always advertised as an "experiment" not a free ride in perpetuity. I am confused.
The original poster says that he DID pay his $ 30 fee. He was NOT asking for a "free ride". Yet he reports that he has ongoing problems with the service that he paid for.
Dan's response seems to ignore this issue and even seems to put everyone down.
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To my colleagues on this forum: Am I right or wrong in my reaction to Dan's response? | |
| | | B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Re: [FWD] Free world dialup Nope -- I read the response and was about to post exactly the observations you did. (What about the paying customer who started the thread?) At least they haven't lost their sense of arrogance, superiority, and entitlement, I guess.
I don't know this Berninger fellow too well, but I had thought Pulver was better than this kind of behavior. Take $30 in September, and declare "end of life" in March.
join:2007-07-24
USA
reply to balaton
Folks,
The main thread seems to be FWD is not what it used to be.
This is quite correct.
How could it be? Jeff Pulver spent $4 million + on the service over the years as a experiment in support of the VON events.
VON events ended. The value of a standard SIP registration as an experiment ended.
The $30 annual service was assembled to support the users that did not want to bother jumping to one of the other free options.
FWD was always advertised as an "experiment" not a free ride in perpetuity.
FWD remains an "experiment" but at this point we are looking at activities in high definition voice.
Take a look at Jeff's HD Communication Summit in NYC on May 21, 2009 - »www.hdcomms.com
A basic standard definition legacy SIP registration service remains up under new SIP domain - sip.fwdi.net
my.FWD, FWD.Communicator, voicemail, service numbers, voicemail all reached end of life in March 2009.
Please send support questions to fwd@pulver.com.
If you are interested in the new HD activities, please contact me directly at the email address below.
Regards,
Dan
..........................................
Daniel Berninger
CEO, FWD
sip HD: 1006@sip.fwdi.net
tel SD: +1.202.250.3838
e: dan@danielberninger.com
w: www.siptosip.net
And the "main thread" here is not that it's "not what it used to be" but rather, that it appears to have run off with the money.
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| | | | mazilo
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| Re: [FWD] Free world dialup said by B :Take $30 in September, and declare "end of life" in March. Sounded like a perfect scam to me.  | |
| | | | | nitzan
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| Re: [FWD] Free world dialup Sounds like the future of a certain service you like to put down... lol. | |
| | | | | | mazilo
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| Re: [FWD] Free world dialup said by nitzan :Sounds like the future of a certain service you like to put down... lol. Honestly, I was just responding to remarks by B. It could be any entity who takes the $$$ and then declares end of life in less than a year of service. Nothing more and nothing less.
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usa2k
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|  Re: [FWD] Free world dialup
Jeff was good at promoting his vision on this site, and inspiring people. It was not so much about free, as it was about being pioneers.
Now it feels like FWD has embarked on being R&D hoping the masses will support their efforts, even if they do not relate to their current vision. I do not relate to this.
It seems like it was more necessary to tear down the culture they had than support many paths. If it was not affordable, then close it down and take that new direction. We could have been sad, but remembered the great days as technology pioneers. The vision has faded now, like mass emails, some will send money if you ask enough people, but the way it was handled felt more like a departure than continuation of a visionary plan.
That is my impression. FWD has an image problem, and threads like this should not be unexpected.
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join:2004-09-11
Northridge, CA
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·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | Re: [FWD] Free world dialup When FreeWorldDialup became $30 PaidWordDialup they advertised your $30 fee would cover as many FWD numbers as you want (your e-mail address was the linking factor). That did look like a decent deal, since if you had a collection of ATAs you didn't have much use for, you can stick them in all the rooms of your house, and your friends houses, and you can all use FWD, its voicemail, its toll-free dialing features, etc., all for $30 a year.
Now that $30 only gets you a dialtone with the ability just to call other FWD users. Who needs that, as you can make ATA to ATA calls without any service. The configuration login page also seems to have vanished. I paid the $30 as it gave another year to think things over. Now the way it is it has no value. No way I'm renewing. But I don't even think they'll be bothering asking for renewals, as they'll let be letting it die. | |
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burgerwars
join:2004-09-11
Northridge, CA
·voip.ms
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by dberninger :Folks, Take a look at Jeff's HD Communication Summit in NYC on May 21, 2009 - » www.hdcomms.comcontact me directly at the email address below. Regards, Daniel Berninger CEO, FWD Out of curiosity, I looked at the site. I see it's a one day conference and a conference schedule, but the one big thing that is missing is where it is! All I can find is it is in New York City. New York City is a big place. The Hotel and Travel tab only says to contact Priceline or JetBlue for travel deals. It's kind of hard to book a convenient hotel if you don't know where convenient is. I guess I could requested a brochure if I was serious about going to figure out where it is. But lacking such basic information on their website makes me think they're about as serious about HD Voice as they were with FWD. | |
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1 edit | Re: [FWD] Free world dialup said by garys_2k :Googling, I find this page where it refers to "New World Stages" Which shows an address of 340 West 50th St, New York, NY 10019 Too much detective work. Interesting place. Still, I'm not going. | |
| | | garys_2k
join:2004-05-07
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| said by burgerwars :said by dberninger :Folks, Take a look at Jeff's HD Communication Summit in NYC on May 21, 2009 - » www.hdcomms.comcontact me directly at the email address below. Regards, Daniel Berninger CEO, FWD Out of curiosity, I looked at the site. I see it's a one day conference and a conference schedule, but the one big thing that is missing is where it is! All I can find is it is in New York City. LOL! I rechecked the website and I guess they read your post, because the address is now front and center! Never again think that burgerwars can't make a difference. | |
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join:2004-09-11
Northridge, CA
·voip.ms
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: [FWD] Free world dialup said by garys_2k :said by burgerwars :said by dberninger :Folks, Take a look at Jeff's HD Communication Summit in NYC on May 21, 2009 - » www.hdcomms.comcontact me directly at the email address below. Regards, Daniel Berninger CEO, FWD Out of curiosity, I looked at the site. I see it's a one day conference and a conference schedule, but the one big thing that is missing is where it is! All I can find is it is in New York City. LOL! I rechecked the website and I guess they read your post, because the address is now front and center! Never again think that burgerwars can't make a difference. I didn't think I had such power, but I do. When burgerwars talks, people listen! | |
| | | | | mazilo
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| Re: [FWD] Free world dialup said by burgerwars :I didn't think I had such power, but I do. When burgerwars talks, people listen! I also read your post!  | |
| celtic
join:2001-02-08
USA | Is anyone really surprised? I don't think it was a scam but the principals never showed any enthusiasm for the new FWD.
Lots of good options. Move on. | |
| | balaton
join:2003-03-28
Pomona, NY
| Re: [FWD] Free world dialup My issue is that I did pay the $30 and knowing FWD and Jeff, I didn't think that it is a Nigerian scam. Once they switched to the new sip server, all my numbers stopped working. Anyway, I guess I can look for a new provider and I will be happy even if it is not HD voice. | |
| | | mazilo
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| Re: [FWD] Free world dialup said by balaton :My issue is that I did pay the $30 and knowing FWD and Jeff, I didn't think that it is a Nigerian scam. Then, you need to fight FWD with this 419eater (baiting scams with scams). | |
| | balaton
join:2003-03-28
Pomona, NY
| said by celtic :Lots of good options. Move on. Could you list some of them? Is Sipphone reliable? | |
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stufried
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| No one likes losing money, but I don't think FWD was a scam. It was just a poorly run operation in the end.
DId you ever have a restaurant that you really liked that you knew was failing, but you went for one last meal? Whether it is to say goodbye to the staff, to preserve a memory, or as one last act of loyalty to small crew of people you knew and liked? That was where I was at the last year of FWD.
FWD got me into VOIP. My best friend lived in London and I lived in the US and we used to yack all the time. At the time, the best rate I could get to the UK was like $0.10 a minute and BT's rate for calling the US was even worse. For the price of two ATAs, two US phones (plus one 230v universal power supply), we could talk till we were blue in the face. We actually felt like it was illegal or something. A year or two later, I got my second ATA from Vonage and ultimately figured out a way to bridge calls between the two units.
I'm now running an Asterisk box and converted my office over to VOIP. I owe Jeff Pulver for that, enjoyed FWD, and wrote the $30 off to one last "meal" at an old memory. If the $30 bucks had given them the chance to pull their operation out of the grave, that would have been a very pleasant surprise. | |
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