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mushroom2008

join:2008-11-03
San Diego, CA

bonded ADSL - hey it works!


speed test result
I thought this was pretty neat, so I thought I would share it with you all. This speed test result was obtained in our office this afternoon. We have 5 ADSL lines from AT&T. Four of them are the "6 Meg" variety, and 1 is the "3 Meg" download variety. Just thought I would post this for the non-believers. This does not require support for MLPPP from the carrier, and is available essentially wherever there is ADSL service.

May there be mushrooms in your future.


RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Longmont, CO

others can speak for themselves, but my skepticism is that relying on cheap DSL circuits to get a fast speed is no substitute for T-carrier services mostly because the cheap DSL providers have no SLAs and feel no urgency to respond to outage notifications. there are lots of T1 network sales guys around that make their living replacing DSL and cable circuits for frustrated customers. secondary is the disparity between upload and download speeds.

that you can derive a single bandwidth stream from multiple discrete connections seems to imply that you will be adding a hop or two, as your NOC would have to act as some sort of aggregation point to the final destination. if that's close, in the event of a single circuit failure at the user end, does your equipment self correct recognizing it has fewer paths or does the whole thing come down until the bad circuit is restored? do you have some procedure to notify users if one of their circuits has failed?


klink_durf

@rr.com

also, aren't there major problems when you try to use DSL or Cable for sharing in an office environment? (regardless of the posted bandwidth from a single user) i mean like after more than a few computers on the network you start to get a serious lag right? not to mention bandwidth caps for heavy file sharing, video, etc.? road runner seems to be toying with the idea of charging for excessive bandwidth usage VS. the unlimited-use business model (although it seems to have created a major consumer backlash at present)

delmarvawifi

join:2008-07-15

reply to mushroom2008
Rocky,

In my experience, I get better response times for a business DSL outage and FAR better response times for a Business Cable outage than I have EVER had for T1 so called "carrier class" outages.

As technology has evolved and DSL and Cable services have become more reliable, the need for most business or residential users to purchase a pricey T solution is becoming less and less.

No, there are no lag issues or cap issues with the vast majority of DSL and Cable providers.


klink_durf

@rr.com

seems like it's a matter of IF, not WHEN, bandwidth caps will be in place. cable ISPs appear to be the 1st to start it, I suspect that DSL providers will follow.

»news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html

»www.tomshardware.com/news/intern···696.html

delmarvawifi

join:2008-07-15
reply to mushroom2008
Mushroom,

What is the cost involved with this type of setup in addition to the cost of the DSL?

mushroom2008

join:2008-11-03
San Diego, CA

said by delmarvawifi See Profile :

Mushroom,
What is the cost involved with this type of setup in addition to the cost of the DSL?
Hi there - it is probably best to discuss off-line, please feel free to give us a buzz. If you are interested examples of turn-key ISP services that are enabled by this technology, here are a couple links:
»blog.semo.net/2009/02/17/t1-reli···00month/

»www.broadbandfusion.com/

Best wishes!


Killa200
Premium
join:2005-12-02
Spring City, TN
so is that "$500 per month, no contracts" in addition to all the lines i have to pay per month and bond, or is your company taking care of those too?

mushroom2008

join:2008-11-03
San Diego, CA

said by Killa200 See Profile :

so is that "$500 per month, no contracts" in addition to all the lines i have to pay per month and bond, or is your company taking care of those too?
Hi - that price includes all the lines, and it also includes the gateway/modem device which is leased to the customer. So it is just the $500 per month that you pay in a single bill. We are now offering the "no contract" feature, but at a later date we may change this to something like a 6 month minimum term for new customers. If you have an existing contract for a T1 or bonded T1, you combine that connection with the new service, and either retain the legacy service indefinitely or switch over completely to the new service when the existing lease expires. This latter option may result in additional costs, however, which will depend on your specific configuration and requirements. Thanks for your interest....

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to klink_durf
RR wouldn't touch Business Class connections.

Also cable modem can be just fine for office use. RR and Comcast Work Place has some of the best speeds as far as HSI for the office.

mushroom2008

join:2008-11-03
San Diego, CA

reply to delmarvawifi
Hi there -

To add to your comments, here is an article talking about some issues regarding T1 vs Cable/DSL:

»www.networkworld.com/community/node/42754

Best wishes...

said by delmarvawifi See Profile :

Rocky,

In my experience, I get better response times for a business DSL outage and FAR better response times for a Business Cable outage than I have EVER had for T1 so called "carrier class" outages.

As technology has evolved and DSL and Cable services have become more reliable, the need for most business or residential users to purchase a pricey T solution is becoming less and less.

No, there are no lag issues or cap issues with the vast majority of DSL and Cable providers.
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