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Celestil

join:2009-05-04
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Celestil

Re: MI424WR-GEN2 Rev E Configuration Thread

First, I would like to thank the community for all its help. I changed over my ONT to Ethernet and since it was within the 30-day trial I got someone to run the cable for me for free.

Any user can run an Ethernet cable from the ONT to thier home but you have to find a way to get the cable in the house somehow...I have an older home which does not havee a centralized "closet or room" so I needed a hole drilled into my home to let the cable in.

You could connect Ethernet to the ONT and terminate it at a wireless router outside the home and connect wirelessly to to the outside router but unless it can handle weather changes I wouldn't suggest it. Just showing you there is more than one way to skin a virtual cat.

Also, it seems the second Verizon guy had the capability of breaking the lease on the Actiontec from his laptop at his truck....just an FYI.

Celestil

join:2009-05-04
Brooklyn, NY

1 recommendation

reply to Celestil
All:

I recieved this answer on the Verizon forums on how to use this router and enable bridging. My setup is already Ethernet, so if anyone wants to give this a try and report back, please do so.

How I successfully bridged my Actiontec Rev E with VOD, widgets, guide.
My setup DIR-825 router

ActionTec LanPort 1 to DIR-825 WAN, DIR-825 Port 1 to ActionTec WAN.

1. Hardware Reset Router
2. Top Menu - Advanced - Restore Defaults
3. Top Menu – Advanced – System Setting – Disable Auto Wan Detection - Apply
4. Top Menu – Wireless Settings – Side Menu – Basic Security Settings – Wireless Off – Apply
5. Top Menu – Firewall Settings – Side Menu – General – Minimum – Apply
6. Top Menu – My Network – Side Menu – Network Connections – Advanced
7. Top Menu – My Network – Side Menu – Network Connections – Broadband(Coax) - Settings - Release – Apply
a. If address is not released properly you might have to wait 2 hours to retrieve another IP address from Verizon
8. Broadband(Coax) - Settings - IP Distribution – Disable – Apply
9. Broadband(Coax)- Settings – DNS Server – No DNS Server – Apply
10. Broadband (Coax) - Settings – IP Address – No IP Address - Apply
11. Top Menu – My Network – Side Menu – Network Connections – Network (Home/Office) - Settings – IP Distribution Disable – Apply
12. Network (Home/Office) - Settings – DNS Server – No DNS Server – Apply
13. Network(Home/Office) - Settings – Internet Protocol – Use the following IP Address –Apply
14. Network(Home/Office) - Settings – IP Address – Set to 192.168.x.1 where x is not used on your LAN – Apply
a. If you have changed the IP here you should change the properties of the network adapter attached to the Actiontec to have an IP assigned on the Actiontec LAN… i.e if setting was 192.168.5.1 , the IP of the computers wired network adapter could be 192.168.5.3
15. Network(Home/Office) – Settings – Uncheck Box to Left of Coax – Apply
16. Network(Home/Office) – Settings – Uncheck Box to Left of Wireless – Apply
17. Network(Home/Office) - Settings – Check Box to Left of Broadband(Coax) – Apply
18. Network(Home/Office) - Settings – Check STP Box to Right of Broadband(Coax) –Apply
19. Network(Home/Office) - Settings – Network – Broadband Connection -Apply
20. Top Menu – Advanced – MAC Cloning – Set Mac of Device – Broadband(Coax) –
a. Set the WAN MAC of the router to the MAC address listed here, write this down for now if you can’t do this now.
b. Set the Address here to the WAN MAC of the router that will be connected to the Actiontec to avoid conflicts

After the Above steps you should be able to reboot the Actiontec by turning off the power and run a cable from the LAN 1 port of the Actiontec to the WAN port of the desired router. The desired router should also be rebooted. After this step the desired router should be able to DHCP an address from Verizon…. If not there is a problem… Do not go further.

To Enable VOD, widgets, etc

Make sure Coax is no longer tabbed underneath Network(Home/Office)

1. Top Menu – My Network – Side Menu – Network Connections - Coax - Settings - IP Distribution – Disable – Apply
2. Coax- Settings – DNS Server – No DNS Server – Apply
3. Coax - Settings – IP Address – No IP Address – Apply
4. Coax - Settings – Network – Broadband Connection – Apply
5. Top Menu – My Network – Side Menu – Network Connections – Broadband(Ethernet) - Settings – Network – Network(Home/Office) – Apply
6. Broadband (Ethernet) - Settings - IP Distribution – Disable – Apply
7. Broadband(Ethernet)– Settings - DNS Server – No DNS Server – Apply
8. Broadband(Ethernet)– Settings - IP Address – No IP Address – Apply
9. Top Menu – My Network – Side Menu – Network Connections – Add – Network Bridging – Next – Add A New Bridge – Next – Select the Coax and Broadband (Ethernet) Checkboxes - Edit the New Connection – Finish
10. Top Menu – My Network – Side Menu – Network Connections - Bridge – Settings - Network – Broadband Connection – Apply
11. Bridge – Settings – Internet Protocol – Obtain IP address automatically – Apply
12. Bridge – Settings – DNS server – Obtain DNS automatically –apply
13. Bridge – Settings – IP Address Distribution – DHCP relay -Apply
14. Bridge – Settings – Routing – NAPT - Apply
15. Bridge – Settings – Select Route - Apply
16. Bridge – Settings – Check Box to Left of Coax (if not already checked) Check STP box to right of Coax – Apply
17. Bridge – Settings – Check Box to Left of Broadband(Ethernet) (if not already checked) Check STP box to right of Broadband(Ethernet) - Apply
18. Top Menu – My Network – Side Menu – Network Connections – Broadband (Ethernet) – Enable
a. This must be re-enabled if the router loses power

Run a cable from the LAN port of the desired router to the WAN port of the Actiontec

Remove and Reconnect Power to the STBs they should now be pulling IP addresses from the desired router


More Fiber
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
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That seems like a lot to trouble to go to. Since you have an ethernet connection to the ONT, did you try following the instructions here:
»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »Replacing the Actiontec (part 3): WAN-to-LAN keeps Guide and VOD (easier)

edit:
Did you actually try these instructions with your Rev. E Actiontec while you were still on coax? The instructions you posted appear to be the same instructions posted here:
»Make your actiontec a bridge with VOD working with REV D

It is my undersanding based on posts here:
»I need help bridging my Westell 9100 EM router
»How do I turn my Verizon 9100EM Router into a "Bridge" ?
that the broadband coax and broadband ethernet connections can not be separated (part 1 step 17) on the Rev. E and Westells, which is required to make them function as a double bridge (coax WAN to ethernet WAN and ethernet LAN to coax LAN).


birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:9

1 edit
Whoops! It's late. Original post says coax connection. 5/14 post says it can be done, not that it was done. So may still be on coax.

This looks like the regular Bridge w/ VOD steps, at least at first glance. Personalized for the Rev. E.


HD_Ride
Premium
join:2000-10-18
Jerseyastan
reply to Smith6612
said by Smith6612:

Your FiOS TV will still work. The ONT just won't be providing an internet signal via the Coax anymore. So, if you have FiOS TV, take your router and plug it into the RJ45 cabling, and then take the ActionTec you have and hang it off of your DD-WRT router. That way, the ActionTec will act as a NIM100 and can give your STBs information. To make sure though, since the boxes do store quite a bit of guide info in them, unplug the STBs and plug them back in and make sure they download guide data, once you verify that your Ethernet setup is in fact working.
there’s a little more than just that, in addition to running CAT5 for the new router he will need to re-route the coax.

1. He will need a coax run FROM the ONT TO the splitter
2. He will also need coax run FROM the splitter TO the bridge (A/T or NIM100)

he may be able to salvage the one length of coax running from the ONT, but he will be running some additional coax for sure.

Celestil

join:2009-05-04
Brooklyn, NY
reply to More Fiber
I attempted the below and it FAILED

»Make your actiontec a bridge with VOD working with REV D

The instructions I posted came from another forum. I can no longer try this. I have not examined the instructions, I merely posted them the moment I got them.


More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:32
reply to HD_Ride
said by HD_Ride:

there’s a little more than just that, in addition to running CAT5 for the new router he will need to re-route the coax.

1. He will need a coax run FROM the ONT TO the splitter
2. He will also need coax run FROM the splitter TO the bridge (A/T or NIM100)

he may be able to salvage the one length of coax running from the ONT, but he will be running some additional coax for sure.
If someone already has internet over coax and FIOS-TV, their Actiontec is already connected to the main splitter. There is no need to reroute the coax. Adding a coax run through the splitter is only necessary when adding FIOS-TV to an internet only install.


HD_Ride
Premium
join:2000-10-18
Jerseyastan
That’s true and I should have been more specific and said adding or changing locations.

What I should have said is it’s going to require a little more than going to BestBuy and picking up a 25ft patch cable if he (or she) plans to keep it semi neat by concealing the install. But if the guy doesn’t mine cables, power strips, and power supplies obstructing the living space have at it. Now may be a go time to reconfigure if necessary

dsl_sutra

join:2003-12-25
Jersey City, NJ

2 edits
reply to Celestil
Wouldn't it be easier just bite the bullet - buy a NIM-100?

said by Celestil:

All:

I recieved this answer on the Verizon forums on how to use this router and enable bridging. My setup is already Ethernet, so if anyone wants to give this a try and report back, please do so.

How I successfully bridged my Actiontec Rev E with VOD, widgets, guide.
My setup DIR-825 router

ActionTec LanPort 1 to DIR-825 WAN, DIR-825 Port 1 to ActionTec WAN...


More Fiber
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:32

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said by dsl_sutra:

Wouldn't it be easier just bite the bullet - buy a NIM-100?
A NIM-100 can not be used as a MOCA WAN bridge between the ONT and an ethernet router.

p.s. It really wasn't necessary to quote the instructions again.


MadMint

@verizon.net
reply to Celestil
OK, it wasn't easy - some user error and some minor errors in the steps above, but if you follow the instructions you can make this work. I'd been at this for days, but tonight I found this guide and have everything working with my D-Link DIR-655. I have a coax connection, FiOS TV and everything works as described.

Here is my Verizon router info:

Firmware Version: 20.9.0
Model Name: MI424WR-GEN2
Hardware Version: E

I have the guide, widgets, etc... all working. Everything now runs through my own router rather than that crazy actiontec which caused me all sorts of nightmares.

So to answer anyone who is wondering, yes it can be done with the latest router from Verizon and the latest firmware.


brianmcd
Premium
join:2000-09-06
Norristown, PA
Did you try it with the 20.8.0 Firmware ?

I have been unable to locate a Revision Log to indicate the differences between 20.8.0 and 20.9.0 and I wonder if this might be one of the things that they changed.


More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:32
reply to MadMint
said by MadMint :

OK, it wasn't easy - some user error and some minor errors in the steps above, but if you follow the instructions you can make this work.
Could you please post which steps have errors in them.


MadMint

@verizon.net
Click for full size
Main Verizon Screen
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Network Connections
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Bridge Connection
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Home/Office Connection

To answer the first question, I didn't try 20.8.0, as I only have the 20.9.0 firmware. That is what came on my router. I'd be happy to switch firmware and test it if someone can tell me where to get the firmware from, but I can't see why 20.9.0 would work and 20.8.0 wouldn't.

So as requested, here are some tips based on what I did last night:

20. Top Menu – Advanced – MAC Cloning – Set Mac of Device – Broadband(Coax) –
a. Set the WAN MAC of the router to the MAC address listed here, write this down for now if you can’t do this now.
b. Set the Address here to the WAN MAC of the router that will be connected to the Actiontec to avoid conflicts


I did step 20, then a and it actually broke everything for me. I wrote down the MAC address from my verizon router before I made the change, so I get back on and set it back when I couldn't figure out what the problem was and everything started working.

My issue here was DNS wouldn't work....I could get an IP from verizon, but not get outside the network with a ping or nslookup.

14. Bridge – Settings – Routing – NAPT - Apply
15. Bridge – Settings – Select Route - Apply


I didn't find anything that said select route, so just skipped step 15.

18. Top Menu – My Network – Side Menu – Network Connections – Broadband (Ethernet) – Enable
a. This must be re-enabled if the router loses power


During the set-up I found my Ethernet connection went disabled a few times while I was rebooting my STB's. In fact, you don't need to reboot your STB's, they will pick up a new IP and just work if you leave them alone for a bit. I left mine overnight and checked earlier today and 2 of my STB's now have new addresses from my DLink.

Just watch this during set-up to make sure that connection stays enabled.

Other notes:

I can now access my verizon router using the DHCP assigned address from my D-Link which is pretty cool.

There are no error lights or warnings on my verizon router which I read about for previous versions, so that is nice also.

Sounds obvious, but get the cabling right....in a rush, I made some silly mistakes here and wasted time troubleshooting my own incompetence.

Also, to help out...here are some screen shots of my final config - I personally find a picture much easier to work from in order to make sure everything is right. Let me know if anyone wants any other screen shots. Good luck.


Hispanic

join:2000-01-22
Hoboken, NJ
reply to Celestil
Quick question. The online datasheet from Rev e suggests that the router is futureproof for gigabit lan and wireless n. What does that mean? Can it be enabled with firmware or something?

Celestil

join:2009-05-04
Brooklyn, NY
Probably, but until they get WPA2 working on the router I would not use the wireless at all. Its just 64 bit and WEP. As far as gigbabit LAN is concerned you don't need it if you do the above since the "STB Network" will be 100MB and your router (if you have a new one) will have GigE for LAN and 802.11n for wireless for your PC and other devices.

******KUDOS TO MAD FOR TESTING IT OUT FOR EVERYONE!!!*****

Kill4Speed

join:2007-01-12
Ashburn, VA
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said by Celestil:

Probably, but until they get WPA2 working on the router I would not use the wireless at all. Its just 64 bit and WEP. As far as gigbabit LAN is concerned you don't need it if you do the above since the "STB Network" will be 100MB and your router (if you have a new one) will have GigE for LAN and 802.11n for wireless for your PC and other devices.

******KUDOS TO MAD FOR TESTING IT OUT FOR EVERYONE!!!*****
I'm think of switching to FIOS (from CC); but if the VZ FIOS router does not support WPA-CCMP/WPA2, it's a deal breaker!
Could someone confirm?
TIA


More Fiber
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:32
reply to Celestil
said by Celestil:

until they get WPA2 working on the router I would not use the wireless at all. Its just 64 bit and WEP.
Huh? What problem are you having with WPA2? Actiontec has supported WPA2 since Rev. C of the hardware.


m0rd

@verizon.net
reply to Celestil
has anyone gotten this to work using coax yet?


More Fiber
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:32
said by m0rd :

has anyone gotten this to work using coax yet?
The instructions posted are for coax.
»Re: MI424WR-GEN2 Rev E Configuration Thread


More Fiber
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:32
reply to Hispanic
said by Hispanic:

The online datasheet from Rev e suggests that the router is futureproof for gigabit lan and wireless n. What does that mean? Can it be enabled with firmware or something?
What that means is that it available from the manufacturer as an extra cost option. There are a number of available options that VZ did not select:
•Wireless N
•Gig-E LAN ports
•USB port
•White sidewalls


m0rd

@verizon.net
reply to MadMint
I did step 20, then a and it actually broke everything for me. I wrote down the MAC address from my verizon router before I made the change, so I get back on and set it back when I couldn't figure out what the problem was and everything started working.

so according to this you DON'T use cloning ?

sigh


newfioser

@rr.com
reply to Celestil
man i followed this strictly and i the aciontech can't seem to dhcp an address. the internet light stays orange and i get no internet

udipl

join:2009-07-29
Richmond, VA
reply to Celestil
Thanks a lot - this forum is great.
I got it to work yesterday, and without MAC cloning.
I got into trouble because I forgot to release the old Verizon DHCP lease before one of my reboots , but I called Verizon, and after waiting through their automated menu, I eventually got to a human tech, and he immediately released my DHCP lease, and then my Netgear router got a new one successfully.

This is much better!

thetoad30

join:2009-08-17
Phoenixville, PA
reply to Celestil
All,

I realize this thread is a bit old, but it's the closest I've found for my situation...

Just got the FIOS internet set up today. I am using MoCA for the internet connection (internet only setup - dedicated cable to room from ONT).

I cannot, for the life of me, get the Actiontec to get a DHCP address from my DIR-855. Is this possible without using the Cat5 connection on the ONT to the D-Link? Is it that the WAN port and the MoCA port cannot be unlinked?

If not, then how did you do it?

I CAN get internet bridged over and my D-Link does pull a Verizon public IP so my internet connection is being shared. I just would have liked to have the option to get FIOS TV in the future if I needed it, as well as it would have been nice to admin the Actiontec router from my LAN without having to statically assign an IP and move cabling from port to port on my PC.

TIA


JoeShmo

@verizon.net
reply to Celestil
OK, so it seems you got everything configured. Firstly, it seems you configured the ActionTec properly so your DLINK has the Verizon IP. Now your ActionTec DOES NOT need an IP from the DLINK except for the admin interface if I remember correctly.

All that is needed is when you DO get FIOS TV the STBs get an IP. Those devices need an IP not the ActionTec, it only needs an IP so you can access the interface but other than that it acts as a bridge.

Regards,

ChocoTaco369

join:2009-08-29
Ardmore, PA
reply to Celestil
I followed the directions to get the internet working (the first 20 steps) and succeeded. As of right now, I have the Actiontec modem/router bridged through a third-party Netgear WNP824 and all is well with the internet. However, I have no VOD/widgets/TV guide. I have run into a serious roadblock.

I want to start the next part, getting the VOD working, however, for the life of me I CANNOT log back into the Actiontec MI424WR. I have no idea what I am doing wrong. I have the WAN port of the Actiontec connected to LAN1 of the Netgear, the WAN port of the Netgear connected to LAN1 of the Actiontec and the ethernet port in my laptop connected to LAN2 of the Actiontec. However, I can't get a signal. If I do this, I get a 'little or no connectivity' error. I simply can't even connect to the Actiontec! I have NO IDEA what I could possibly be doing wrong. Has anyone else run into this roadblock?


abar

@verizon.net
reply to Celestil
I followed the directions to get the internet working (the first 20 steps) and succeeded. As of right now, I have the Actiontec modem/router bridged through a third-party Netgear WNP824 and all is well with the internet. However, I have no VOD/widgets/TV guide. I have run into a serious roadblock.

I want to start the next part, getting the VOD working, however, for the life of me I CANNOT log back into the Actiontec MI424WR. I have no idea what I am doing wrong. I have the WAN port of the Actiontec connected to LAN1 of the Netgear, the WAN port of the Netgear connected to LAN1 of the Actiontec and the ethernet port in my laptop connected to LAN2 of the Actiontec. However, I can't get a signal. If I do this, I get a 'little or no connectivity' error. I simply can't even connect to the Actiontec! I have NO IDEA what I could possibly be doing wrong. Has anyone else run into this roadblock?


Celestial

@verizon.net
reply to Celestil
I re-read your post. I think I know the issue here is. The ActionTec is no longer providing the DHCP addresses try and connect your laptop to your Netgear THEN try and access the ActionTec.

I do not believe the instructions enable using the LAN 2/3 or 4 on the Actiontec but if you did everything correctly you can access the router by using the Netgear.

If not, then you forgot to change the IP of the Actiontec to a static IP. try and change the netgear LAN IP to 192.168.1.20 then you should be able to access it...change the Actiontech to 192.168.1.2 then change the netgear back to 192.168.1.1 and your issue will be resolved.


Celestial

@verizon.net
reply to Celestil
What you wrote is confusing if your laptop cant get on the Internet then how can you say "all is well with the internet"

Unless you mean you can logon to the Netgear and do a ping test from the Netgear to somewhere on the internet.

When you say you CANNOT log back into the Actiontec I assume you mean you cannot get to the logon webpage. If so, then you forgot to change your Actiontec to have a static IP.

Now part of the process of getting the netgear on the internet is making the actiontec have a STATIC IP. so what you should do is connect your laptop to the actiontec directly and assign yourself an IP of 192.168.1.10 or something. If you did not change the IP of the actiontec it will be reachable on 192.168.1.1.