Topic 'Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP)' in forum 'World of Warcraft' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22336525 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:57:35 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:57:35 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22719152 said by Proteos:

Yea the bug is that you spec FFB (which doesn't include FM), but you have your second spec include FM (PVP frost, FB, Arcane, ect...) You go in that spec and cast your FM on the other mage in your raid (must have at least 2 mages for this to work) and he casts his on you. Then you can go back to your primary spec and your FM will still be on him as well as his on you. This only works if the other mage has FM in his primary spec (the one he is raiding with). So basically you take FFB spec which is not far off of the other specs as far as optimal dps and you add 6% extra crit to it...thus making it the best spec.
That was the bug I was talking about as well. It was fixed within like 2 weeks of being discovered. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22719152 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:35:59 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22713151 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22713151 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:05:19 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22713103 said by Proteos:

Yea currently the dps difference between the 3 main specs is unnoticable. Given perfect conditions and gear the spread is like less that 100 dps between frostfire + focus magic, fb/ttow, and arcane. Frostfire + focus magic being the highest dps. Though this spec is only highest because of a bug and will most likely be fixed soon (if it hasn't already?). Bottom line...i agree with xcal in that you should pick the spec you like... i love fireball and cannot even come close to the same dps when i tried arcane.
That Focus Magic bug where you could stack it over and over again with a talent switch was fixed very swiftly after it was discovered a long time ago. Is there another bug you know of besides that with Focus Magic?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22713103 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:58:40 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22712854 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22712854 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:20:44 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22712539 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22712539 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:30:02 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22627741
I have played alongside both Fireball and FFB mages that can top 5k DPS as can I with arcane. After personally trying all the specs and talking with alot of people on here and in game, I have came down to the conclusion that it's all in your playstyle. I have tried to help some arcane mages that just can't seem to get the rotation/mana regen issues down, so they Fail at arcane. But they are awesome fire/FFb mages. So to each's own. IMO go with what you can play best. Each of the three (arcane/FFB/FB) have the potential to be awesome when in the right hands.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22627741 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:12:50 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22603635 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22603635 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:48:44 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22603306 said by BoBoTheMage :

I've been asked to go FFB by my guild and it sounds like it's the worst spec. Is my DPS going to drop from Arcane by doing this? How can I use FFB to maintain the same DPS as Arcane?
Never played FFB myself but it's similar to fireball in rotation. Maybe someone with first hand knowledge of FFB can enlighting us on how FFB functions in respects to Arcane or Fireball.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22603306 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:49:07 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22601977 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22601977 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:12:40 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22571496 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22571496 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:45:53 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22522688 said by Gudziel:

thx xcal!

My old spec was pure frost and I loved PvP with it. But now that leaves me between a rock and hard place since I wanted to try your Arcane also, and frost would probably take that one over since FFB is awesome.

I guess I should give Arcane a try first before making an assumption that FFB is better. That would be a pretty biased point of view.
If you like huge damage in a short period of time arcane is great.

A normal rotation is like Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, then Arcane Missles if it's proc'ed otherwise Arcane Barrage. You can toss a 4th Arcane Blast in before Arcane Missles or Arcane Barrage if your good on mana. You would also try a Fire Blast in there too if Arcane Missle's isn't proc'ed to try to proc it. The most fun comes when you use cooldowns. Make sure your at atleast 80% mana or more. Before you use your cooldowns make sure you have Arcane Blast x3 up so that way your using your cooldowns with the max damage possible from the start. Nail Icy Veins then Arcane Power and spam Arcane Blast non-stop until Icy veins is down to about 2-3 seconds left. You should be almost out of mana anyways at this point. You want to Evocate at the very end of Icy Veins so that you get mana back with haste. You'll want to use a mana gem at about the 1 minute mark till evocate is up so every 60 seconds you have evocate or mana gem for mana. That's the 2 minute drill for arcane. You can cut out or add an Arcane Blast to use 1,2,3, or 4 before Arcane Missle/Barrage based on your mana but you need to find a rotation where you can maintain enough mana to last the full 2 minutes with only evocate and mana gem. You'll love the Icy Veins/Arcane Power combo with Arcane Blast. I've seen it doing 30-35k crits back to back to back in EOE while standing in sparks. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22522688 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:20:28 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22522302
My old spec was pure frost and I loved PvP with it. But now that leaves me between a rock and hard place since I wanted to try your Arcane also, and frost would probably take that one over since FFB is awesome.

I guess I should give Arcane a try first before making an assumption that FFB is better. That would be a pretty biased point of view.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22522302 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:14:21 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22522080 said by Gudziel:

xCal.... I have dual spec'd over the weekend, with your FFB and Arcane spec. So far though, I've only played FFB as I wanted to get used to playing it. PvE is good. I just turned 80, have a couple of purples, but in heroics I've already gotta watch out my dmg output with the rest of the group due to the insane crits I am pushing out. So A+ with that spec! :D

Now in PvP, it hurts. I can give some peeps an ass-whipin' but I definitely need to push out some haste there. It's takin too long for me to get my FFB casted. So that's my fault.

Secondly, is your Arcane build PvP ready? I want to get into PvPing more and I know I need the gear, but how different would a PvP spec be from the one you posted in here earlier?

Finally, what would you and anyone else do concerning the importance of stats/attributes for PvP/PvE with FFB/Arcane? What is more important for what spec for what fights?
I don't PvP a ton as I don't really think WoW offers good PvP. I've been told FFB is a horrible PvP spec since if your FFB gets countered it locks out fire and frost. I do pretty well with arcane in BG's but frost is the best hands down for PvP. I'll see if I can talk to my mage friend who's 100% PvP. I think he runs 2 different frost specs but I'm not positive. Maybe someone else has some PvP advice as I was going to PvP with my mage but lost interest in it when push came to shove. LOL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22522080 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:42:12 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22521200
Now in PvP, it hurts. I can give some peeps an ass-whipin' but I definitely need to push out some haste there. It's takin too long for me to get my FFB casted. So that's my fault.

Secondly, is your Arcane build PvP ready? I want to get into PvPing more and I know I need the gear, but how different would a PvP spec be from the one you posted in here earlier?

Finally, what would you and anyone else do concerning the importance of stats/attributes for PvP/PvE with FFB/Arcane? What is more important for what spec for what fights?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22521200 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:41:14 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22518149 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22518149 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:04:07 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22516497
The term DPS as applied to mages means D-rinks, P-ortals, and S-heep. I got a kick out of that when someone told that to me a few weeks ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22516497 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:20:05 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22514519 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22514519 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:35:57 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22514180 said by Gudziel:

what glyphs are you using for your arcane spec xcal?
I prefer Arcane Missle, Arcane Power, and Arcane Blast]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22514180 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:14:34 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22503904 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22503904 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:06:33 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502797 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502797 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:50:14 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502660 said by Gudziel:

Thx for the reply. I already had a FFB spec from the source you provided (off of the wow forums). I just wasn't sure how far off the difference is between spell stats for arcane and ffb. I will try your arcane along with a dual spec for ffb. and try them both out to see.
Let us know how it works out after you have a chance to test them out. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502660 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:31:10 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502640 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502640 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:26:17 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502079 said by Gudziel:

What's the suggested base spell stats for FFB and Your arcane spec xcal78?
Arcane is pretty easy to do well with from 'just dinging 80' all the way to end game. I think I was doing like 2,500-2,800 dps in green/blue's when I hit 80 with arcane.

Here's some info from EJ on FFB:

"The Frostfire Bolt thread

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This is a thread dedicated towards frostfire bolt and frostfire bolt builds specifically. I know for now it looks more like its under construction (and it is), but the main goal for me to post this is to get the points of contention worked out. Also others might like to ask specific questions about the build at the same time, although I think most of it is rather intuitive.

Zaldinar's FFB thread
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Everything you ever wanted to know about FFB.
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Proven TheoryCrafting Stuff
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Proven Beta Stuff

Some numbers
level difference hit cap % PVE hit cap % PVP hit rating PVE (lvl 80)
-4 0% 0% 0
-3 1% 1% 26.23199272
-2 2% 2% 52.46398544
-1 3% 3% 78.69597816
0 4% 4% 104.92797088
+1 5% 5% 131.1599636
+2 6% 6% 157.39195632
+3 (skull level boss) 17% 13% 445.94387624
+4 28% 20% 734.49579616
+5 39% 27% 1023.04771608

Rating Level 60 Level 70 Level 80
Spell Hit 8 12.61538506 26.23199272
Spell Critical Strike 14 22.07692337 45.90598679
Spell Haste 10 15.76923275 32.78998947

% Spell Hit Rating (lvl 80) Typical case draenai % Spell Hit with draenai
17% 445.94387624 hit cap 16% 419.71188352
14% 367.24789808 EP or (no EP + misery/improved faerie fire) 13% 341.01590536
11% 288.55191992 EP + misery/improved faerie fire 10% 262.3199272
8% 209.85594176 EP+AF (57/3/11) + misery/improved faerie fire 7% 183.62394904
1% 26.23199272

Spell Talents / metagem Crit multiplier (no T7) Crit multiplier (with 4pcT7) Note
arcane spell (no CSD) 150% 152.5%
arcane spell CSD 154.5% 157.225%
arcane spell spell power 175% 177.5%
arcane spell spell power + CSD 181.75% 184.475%
frost spell ice shards 200% 202.5%
frost spell ice shards + CSD 209% 211.725%
Fireball/Frostfire bolt ignite 210% 213.5%
Fireball/Frostfire bolt ignite + CSD 216.3% 220.115%
Fireball/Frostfire bolt ignite + burnout 245% 248.5%
Fireball/Frostfire bolt ignite + burnout + CSD 254.45% 258.265%
Frostfire bolt ignite + burnout + ice shards 315% 318.5%
Frostfire bolt ignite + burnout + ice shards + CSD 330.75% 334.565%
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am (glyphed) spell power 187.5% 190%
am (glyphed) spell power + CSD 195.375% 198.1%
blizzard spell power + 2/3 ice shards 208% 210.5% 57/3/11
blizzard spell power + 2/3 ice shards + CSD 217.72% 220.445% 57/3/11
blizzard spell power + 3/3 ice shards 225% 227.5% 56/3/12
blizzard spell power + 3/3 ice shards + CSD 236.25% 238.975% 56/3/12
(crit multiplier formula listed in the formula section)

Specs - all 0/53/18 variants
Pure single-target dps build. 3/3 World in Flames. No blastwave/dragon's breath. This is generally the 'base' build used from which you make modifications from.
»talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage...···19000000

Typical modifications

1pt ice floes -> frostbite - Ice floes is fairly bad for the build anyway, so might as well max out frostbite for better farming. Keep in mind frostbite will not proc on blizzard without putting at least 1 pt in it.
1pt ice floes -> frostbite, 1pt world in flames -> imp. blizzard - More controlled blizzard dps. Keep in mind World in Flames affects blizzard dps.
1pt world in flames or 1pt frost channeling -> dragon's breath - Dragon's Breath
1pt ice floes -> frostbite, 1pt world in flames -> imp. blizzard, 3pt frost channeling -> shatter - Shatter/blizzard. This change alone isn't too awesome, however, if 2+ mages spec with 3/3 frostbite 1/3 blizzard the results can turn out excellent. Keep in mind you will do 10% more blizzard threat.

Other modifications

Some mages may prefer having fiery payback available at all times. I could see a good case being made for the matter.
Also I can understand mages cutting out Flame Throwing since FFB is unaffected by the talent. It does mean your scorch/living bomb/pyroblasts are limited by range though.

Playstyle
The damage is extremely streaky and bursty, mostly due to FFB crit multiplier and hot streak. This is also why Mirror Image is more interesting for that spec -- it allows you to work around streaky threat and 'normalize' it.

Generally speaking, the spec works with priorities. Here is what I use, as I point out in the points of contention, I am not 100% sure on them, although remain confident this is accurate.

Hot Streak pyroblast > Living Bomb > scorch refresh > ffb

However, this is only the main outline. Many improvements can be done. Amongst other things, Living Bomb explosion consumes a combustion charge, so you want to make sure to avoid it. You can always play around the timing of hot streak. There is no good reason to cast it right away. As such, if the hot streak mechanics allow you to safely cast living bomb / scorch -> hot streak, I would advocate it so as to avoid ignite munching. Of course, this assumes either living bomb or scorch was due for a refresh, otherwise I would just take the risk and hope ignite munching isn't too bad.

AOE
ranged aoe: living bomb > flame strike (full rank) > flame strike (rank 8) > blizzard
close aoe: living bomb > combustion/flamestrike/dragon's breath/blastwave > flamestrike > cone of cold > blizzard

AOE isn't a simple as it used to be. First, you can and probably will die from aggro pulls. Yes, even on blizzard. However, you can work around this by using mirror image to have 30s where you can't pull aggro.

The reason you want to do a full rank flamestrike followed by a lower-ranked flamestrike is because the ground dot will stack.

Threat management
Class Name Note
Mage Invisibility
Mage Mirror Image
Warrior Vigilance 31 prot
Warrior Intervene
Paladin Hand of Salvation
Priest Pain Suppression 41 disc
Hunter Misdirection
Mage - talent Arcane Subtlety
Mage - talent Burning Soul Does not stack with frost channeling
Mage - talent Frost Channeling Does not stack with burning soul
Generally you want to delay invisibility as much as possible, because the more you wait, the more effective it becomes.

Based on my personal experience, waiting for the boss to reach 70% hp before using invis will allow you to go all out for the remainder of the fight. Of course, this is only a rule of thumb and assumes that you produce more threat than your tank, and that you will catch up to him. You can play with the number a bit if you can afford to use invis at the end of the fight (ie: finish the fight with >130% threat). It has proven to work well, however, expanded math could give optimum values (if anyone is willing to do it).

Consumables
Flask Food Potion Gem
Best [Flask of the Frost Wyrm] [Fish Feast]/[Firecracker Salmon]/[Tender Shoveltusk Steak] [Potion of Speed] [Mana Sapphire]
Alternative [Great Feast]/[Smoked Salmon]/[Shoveltusk Steak] [Runic Mana Potion] [Flame Cap] (not recommended w/ 2pc t7)
Alternative- [Snapper Extreme]/[Worg Tartare] [Potion of Wild Magic]

Glyphs
0/53/18 18/53/0 57/3/11 51/20/0
[Glyph of Frostfire] [Glyph of Fireball] [Glyph of Arcane Blast] [Glyph of Arcane Blast]
[Glyph of Molten Armor] [Glyph of Molten Armor] [Glyph of Molten Armor] / [Glyph of Mage Armor] [Glyph of Molten Armor] / [Glyph of Mage Armor]
[Glyph of Improved Scorch] [Glyph of Improved Scorch] [Glyph of Arcane Missiles] [Glyph of Improved Scorch]
[Glyph of Blast Wave] [Glyph of Blast Wave]

Formulas
base formula for all mage spells (thx to Zaldinar for corrections)

avg_damage_per_cast_noncrit = (avg_cast_base_dmg + (spell_coefficient + empowered_fire + empowered_frostbolt + arcane_empowerment) * final_spell_dmg) * (firepower + ffb_glyph + spell_impact) * pwf * piercing_ice * coe * arcane_instability [* frostbolt_glyph] [* arcane_blast_buff] [* arcane_power] [* molten_fury] [* rune_of_razorice] [* ferocious_inspiration] [* tricks_of_the_trade]
spell_coefficient = (see table below for appropriate coefficients)
avg_damage_per_cast = avg_damage_per_cast_noncrit * (1 + final_crit% * (crit_multiplier - 1))
final_cast_time = talented_cast_time / (1 + total_haste_rating / haste_rating_per_percent / 100) / netherwind_presence [/ bloodlust or power_infusion or wrath_of_air] [/ retribution_aura] [/ icy veins] [/ berserking]
spell_dps = avg_damage_per_cast * chance_to_hit% / final_cast_time

ex: frostfire bolt -- molten fury + rune of razorice + berserking(20%) + bloodlust + icy veins + 4pct7 + CSD included, 2000 spelldmg, 55% crit, 500 haste rating
avg_damage_per_cast_noncrit = ( (722+838)/2 + (3/3.5 + 0.15) * 2000 spelldmg) * (1.1 + 0.02) * 1.03 * 1.06 * 1.13 [* 1.12] [* 1.05] = 4540.65
avg_damage_per_cast = 4540.65 * (1 + 0.55 * (3.34565 - 1)) = 10398.58
final_cast_time = 3 / (1 + 500/32.78998947/100) / 1.3 / 1.2 / 1.2 = 1.39
spell_dps = 10398.58 * 1 / 1.39 = 7480.99 dps

ex: arcane barrage(2.5/3.5 coef) -- ab_glyph(3%) + 3_stack_ab_buff + arcane power(20%) + torment the weak + berserking(20%) + bloodlust + icy veins + 4pct7 + CSD included, 2000 spelldmg, 55% crit, 500 haste rating
avg_damage_per_cast_noncrit = ( (936+1144)/2 + (2.5/3.5) * 2000 spelldmg) * (1.06) * 1.13 * 1.03 * 1.54 [* 1.2] = 5628.20
avg_damage_per_cast = 5628.20 * (1 + 0.55 * (1.84475 - 1)) = 8243.13
final_cast_time = 1.5 / (1 + 500/32.78998947/100) / 1.06 / 1.3 / 1.2 / 1.2 = 0.66
spell_dps = 8243.13 * 1 / 0.66 = 12489.59 dps (ignoring sub-GCD penalty)

notes/gotchas:
ffb glyph and spell impact are applied a very odd way, as shown in the formula above. Some frost calculations are not 100% known, given they give sometimes results outside of predicted values. As such, this should be only used to get a rough idea. Also, rune of razorice is known to be bugged and give 5% more damage, not 10% as shown in the tooltip. Also, a player can only benefit from one external (non-self-provided) haste% buff multiplier -- as such, bloodlust/powerinfusion/wrath of air will not stack together. Only the highest one of them should apply.

crit multiplier formula

crit_multiplier = (1 + ( ((1.5 [* CSD]) - 1) * (1 [+ ice_shards] [+ burnout] [+ spell_power] [+ 4pct7] [+ am_glyph]) )) [* ignite]

ex: frostfire bolt -- ignite + burnout + ice shards + CSD + 4pct7
crit_multiplier = (1 + ( ((1.5 * 1.03) - 1) * (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.05) )) * 1.4 = 334.565%

Base mana
Class Level 70 Level 80
Mage 2241 3268
Druid 2370 3496
Warlock 2871 3856
Priest 2620 3863
Paladin 2953 4394
Shaman 3457 4396
Hunter 3383 5046
Spell Coefficient Damage range Talents affecting the dot Mana cost % Mana cost (lvl 80) Notes
Frostfire Bolt 3.0/3.5 722-838 + 90/9s pwf, firepower, arcane instability, piercing ice 14% 457 1 tick / 3s
Living Bomb 0.80/12s + 0.40 1380/12s + 690 pwf (not firepower) 22% 718 1 tick / 3s
Pyroblast 1.15 + 0.20/12s 1210-1531 + 452/12s pwf, firepower, arcane instability 22% 718 1 tick / 3s
Scorch 1.5/3.5 382-451 8% 261
Fireball 3.5/3.5 898-1143 + 116/8s pwf, firepower, arcane instability 19% 620 1 tick / 2s
Fire Blast 1.5/3.5 925-1095 21% 686
Flamestrike 0.2427 + 0.1220 (per tick) 876-1071 + 780/8s pwf, firepower, arcane instability 30% 980 1 tick / 2s
Flamestrike (rank 8) 0.2427 + 0.1220 (per tick) 699-854 + 620/8s pwf, firepower, arcane instability 30% 980 1 tick / 2s
Blizzard 8.0/3.5/2 /8s 3408/8s 74% 2418 1 tick / s
Cone of Cold 1.5/3.5/2 709-776 29% 947
Dragon's Breath 1.5/3.5/2*0.90 1101-1279 31% 1013
Blast Wave 1.5/3.5/2*0.90 1047-1233 28% 915 / glyphed: 777
Arcane Explosion 1.5/3.5/2 538-582 22% 718
Frost Nova 1.5/3.5/2*0.90 368-419 8% 261
Frostbolt 3/3.5*0.95 803-866 13% 424
Ice Lance 1.5/3.5/3 223-258 7% 228
Arcane Blast 2.5/3.5 1185-1377 8% 261
Arcane Missiles 5/3.5 ~362 31% 1013
Arcane Barrage 2.5/3.5 936-1144 18% 588
Mirror Image - - 10% 326 30s
Mirror Image - frostbolt 0.10 163-169 * 150% crits, ~22-25 per cast - -
Mirror Image - fireblast 0.05 88-98 * 150% crits, ~10-14 per cast - -
Water Elemental - frostbolt 2.5/3.5*0.4 601-673 150% crits, sta/int = 0.3, 5% base crit 16% 522 45-60s
note: there is a discrepancy between the in-game-tooltip values and the ones reported by sites parsing the data files. The values above are taken from in-game-tooltips (except for arcane missiles).
* Based on a limited number of casts (~100 per).

base_mana_cost = rounddown( class_base_mana[player_level] * spell_mana_cost )
final_mana_cost = rounddown( base_mana_cost [* elemental_precision] [* arcane_focus] [* arcane_power] )

exception case: ab_mana_cost = rounddown( round(base_mana_cost [* arcane_focus] [* elemental_precision]) * (1 + ab_stacks * 2 [+ arcane_power] [+ 2pct5]) )
(Arcane_blast is different than the rest because the first part of the mana cost can be rounded up, whereas every other spell can only be rounded down. So even though it seems like the formulas are the same, they need to be treated separately.)

ex: arcane barrage -- 3/3 elemental precision + 3/3 arcane focus + arcane power(20%)
base_mana_cost = rounddown( 3268 * 0.18 ) = 588
final_mana_cost = rounddown( 588 * 0.97 * 0.97 * 1.2 ) = 663

ex: arcane blast (3 stacks already up) -- 3/3 arcane focus + 3/3 elemental precision + arcane power(20%) + 2pct5
base_mana_cost = rounddown( 3268 * 0.08 ) = 261
ab_mana_cost = rounddown( round(261 * 0.97 * 0.97) * (1 + 3 * 2 + 0.20 + 0.05) ) = 1783

Spell/buff Gain
classic buffs/debuffs--- ---
Ebon Plaguebringer/Curse of the Elements+Malediction/Earth and Moon 13% damage
Improved Scorch/Winter's Chill 10% crit
Wrath of Air Totem 5% haste
Retribution Aura+Swift Retribution 3% haste
Bloodlust 30% haste / 40s
Totem of Wrath/Demonic Pact/Flametongue Totem+Enhancing Totems/Improved Divine Spirit 280 dmg
Totem of Wrath/Master Poisoner/Heart of the Crusader 3% crit
Elemental Oath/Moonkin Form 5% crit
Misery/Improved Faerie Fire 3% hit
Ferocious Inspiration 3% dmg (proc)
Replenishment (Vampiric Touch/Judgements of the Wise/Hunting Party) 0.25% max mana/s
Blessing of Wisdom+Improved Blessing of Wisdom/Mana Spring Totem+Restorative Totems 109 mp5
Judgement of Wisdom 0.25% max mana/hit
Innervate
Mana Tide+Glyph of Mana Tide Totem 6-7% max mana/3s for 12s
gear / self buffs--- ---
[Glyph of Molten Armor] 2% crit
[Glyph of Frostfire] (2% damage + 2% crit) to ffb
[Glyph of Fireball] 5% fireball crit
[Glyph of Arcane Blast] +3% AB debuff damage
[Glyph of Arcane Missiles] +25% AM bonus crit damage
[Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] 3% bonus crit damage
Crit Strike Damage Percent 5% bonus crit damage (4pct7)
Improved Mana Gems 225 dmg / 15s (2pct7)
Molten Armor 3% crit
consumables--- ---
[Flask of the Frost Wyrm] 125 dmg
[Fish Feast]/[Firecracker Salmon]/[Tender Shoveltusk Steak] 46 dmg
[Potion of Wild Magic] 200dmg 200crit / 15s
[Potion of Speed] 500 haste / 15s
[Runic Mana Potion] 4200-4400 mana
[Mana Sapphire] 3330-3500 mana / 2min, 4662-4900 mana / 2min if 2pct7
[Flame Cap] 80 fire dmg / 1min (3min CD)
Evocation
more esoteric stuff--- ---
Berserking 10-30% haste
Power Infusion 20% haste / 15s, does not stacks with bloodlust/WOA/AP
Rune of Razorice 5% frost damage (tooltip is wrong)
Focus Magic 3% crit (from other mage)
Tricks of the Trade +15% damage / 6s
Improved Water Elemental 0.6% max mana/6s for 1min
[Kreeg's Stout Beatdown] +25spi -5int
[Midsummer Sausage] (fire festival) 23 dmg
[Fire-toasted Bun] (fire festival) 20 hit
[Burning Blossom]->Fire Festival Fury (fire festival) 3% crit
[Very Berry Cream] (valentine) 35 dmg
[Dark Desire] (valentine) 30 hit
[Sweet Surprise] (valentine) 30 haste
[Pyroblast Cinnamon Ball] (halloween) 6 dmg (stacks?)
[Chewy Fel Taffy] (halloween) 5 hit (stacks?)
[Soothing Spearmint Candy] (halloween) 11 dmg (stacks?)
[Mistletoe] (xmas) 20 spi
truly esoteric stuff--- ---
Basic Campfire 4 spirit
[Eye of the Night] 34 dmg to party members
[Braided Eternium Chain] 28 crit to party members
[Chain of the Twilight Owl] 45 crit to party members
Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian (warlock) 33 crit to party members
Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian (mage) 28 dmg to party members

Stats equivalence

Originally Posted by Muphrid
If you're just doing the equivalence for Frostfire Bolt (and not a typical mixed rotation of FFB with Pyroblast from Hot Streak procs and/or Living Bomb woven in), the calculations are extremely straightforward.

m is the average base damage (ex: frostfire bolt: (722+838)/2 = 780)
r is the spell power coefficient (see table above for spell coefficients)
d is your spell power.
b is the critical strike bonus. (see table above for crit multiplier)
c is your crit chance.
z is the bonus to your casting speed from gear-based haste.
h is your hit chance.
[slightly edited]

Interesting data points from spreadsheet
spell DPSC
scorch 3000
fireblast 4150
ffb 4500
living bomb 6650
hs pyro 8500
hs pyro + 4x dot 9500
aoe --- (all aoe numbers assume no coe and no scorch debuff)
frost nova 1050
flamestrike r8 (no dot) 1100
arcane explosion 1150
flamestrike (no dot) 1275
blizzard 1500
cone of cold 1625
flamestrike r8 (+4x dot) 1975
flamestrike (+4x dot) 2200
blastwave 2600
dragon's breath 2700
living bomb explosion 2750
living bomb 5650
note: the values come from the default values unless otherwise indicated. AOE section assumes no COE and no scorch debuff. The spreadsheet default values uses near-optimum 25-man gear numbers.

what does the above means ?

Well, a few things. First, your ffb dps alone is kind of low (4000). Living Bomb and Hot Streak really really do a lot more than ffb does. In other words, a large part of your dps is dependant upon casting those. This is what we've been saying for a long time, but hopefully the numbers will make people realize how important they are.

AOE numbers have some interesting points in them. Much to my surprise, although I suspected it a bit, the frostnova dps is almost on par with arcane explosion. Flamestrike dps with and without the dot is a world's difference. Almost double the damage in fact. Spamming flamestrike would normally yield at least 1 dot (and 2 if you alternate r9/r8), so the numbers would be higher than shown here, but not enough to overcome blizzard dps (well, it would do more dps than blizzard alternating r9/r8 flamestrike than casting blizzard), however, the small radius of flamestrike would make it somewhat a players call. It does make alternating flamestrike rank a decent alternative to blizzard, which I could see in a good number of cases being the better option.

Living bomb is the best AOE period. Even on collateral damage dps (I mean, targets exploding not originally targeted by living bomb).

In any case, this does makes a solid case about optimal aoe rotations.

More numbers
Level Crit / Int Int / 1% crit
70 0.0125 80
71 0.0116 86.2068944
72 0.0108 92.59259244
73 0.0101 99.00990313
74 0.0093 107.526879
75 0.0087 114.9425283
76 0.0081 123.4567927
77 0.0075 133.333327
78 0.007 142.857139
79 0.0065 153.8461534
80 0.006 166.6666709
crit_rate_from_int = 0.9075 + final_int / 166.6666709
note: 0.9075 applies only to lvl 80 ? currently unknown
Level 70 Level 80
BASE_REGEN 0.009327 0.005575
Level BASE_REGEN Level BASE_REGEN Level BASE_REGEN Level BASE_REGEN
1 0.034965001 21 0.019733001 41 0.013724 61 0.010701
2 0.034191001 22 0.019156 42 0.013522 62 0.010523
3 0.033465002 23 0.018819001 43 0.013363 63 0.010291
4 0.032527 24 0.018316999 44 0.013176 64 0.01012
5 0.031661 25 0.017936001 45 0.012996 65 0.009969
6 0.031076999 26 0.017577 46 0.012854 66 0.009808
7 0.030523 27 0.017201001 47 0.012687 67 0.009652
8 0.029995 28 0.016919 48 0.01254 68 0.009553
9 0.029307 29 0.016581999 49 0.012384 69 0.009446
10 0.028662 30 0.016233999 50 0.012233 70 0.009327
11 0.027585 31 0.015995 51 0.012114 71 0.008859
12 0.026215 32 0.015707999 52 0.011973 72 0.008415
13 0.025381001 33 0.015464 53 0.01186 73 0.007993
14 0.024301 34 0.015204 54 0.011715 74 0.007592
15 0.023345999 35 0.014957 55 0.011576 75 0.007211
16 0.022748999 36 0.014745 56 0.011473 76 0.006849
17 0.021958999 37 0.014496 57 0.011342 77 0.006506
18 0.021387 38 0.014302 58 0.011245 78 0.006179
19 0.020791 39 0.014095 59 0.011111 79 0.005869
20 0.020121001 40 0.013896 60 0.011 80 0.005575
ManaRegen(SPI, INT, LEVEL) = roundup( (0.001+SPI*BASE_REGEN[LEVEL]*(INT^0.5) *0.60 )*5 )
* applies only to 3.10

Professions / Racials
Profession Buff Non-profession buff Gain
Jewelcrafting 3x[Runed Dragon's Eye] 3x[Runed Scarlet Ruby] or (2x[Glowing Twilight Opal]+[Potent Monarch Topaz]) between [+39 dmg] and [+69 dmg, -8 crit, -24 sta]
Blacksmithing Socket Gloves+Socket Bracer +38 dmg
Enchanting 2xEnchant Ring - Greater Spellpower +38 dmg
Leatherworking Fur Lining - Spell Power Enchant Bracers - Superior Spellpower +37 dmg
Alchemy Mixology [Flask of the Frost Wyrm] +37 dmg
Inscription Master's Inscription of the Storm [Greater Inscription of the Storm ] +37 dmg
Engineering Hyperspeed Acceleration Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower 340 haste / 10s (1min CD), -28 dmg
Tailoring Lightweave Embroidery Enchant Cloak - Greater Speed
Skinning Master of Anatomy +32 crit
Mining Toughness +50 sta
Race Buff
Undead none
Troll Berserking + Beast Slaying (...)
Blood Elf Arcane Torrent
Human The Human Spirit
Gnome Expansive Mind
Draenai Heroic Presence "

I have FFB as my off-spec but honestly don't use it much. I'll 'guest' and I stress 'guest' since I never played with it until I had full epics. I'd try to get hit capped which is like 368 then try to get 1,800+ SP and 35% crits. Then I'd try to work in some haste to get 400-500 if you can while trying to increase your crit up a bit more to maybe 45% as well as up SP where possible to get 2,000+.

I will say there is a play style factor so some people just don't do well with arcane. I just can't seem to get FB or FFB to work better then arcane so I'd say my play style just doesn't work well for me to play FB or FFB. I'd say try both and see. If you can swing FFB then later you can switch to FB and be rocking the highest dps mage spec. If not arcane is a bit better then FFB but a bit worse then FB so you can't go wrong there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502079 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:07:14 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502005 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22502005 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:53:36 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22501740
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Arcane Spec v.2
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22501740 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:13:06 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22501575
You want to gear the same for FFB as fireball aside from less hit rating. Once your hit capped try to get like 400-500 haste then get as much SP and Crit as possible. FFB's real power is in Living Bomb and Pyro's so you want both of those to be going as much as possible. Pyro's are procs off crits so it's a very important stat to get high but you can't discount having a base amount of haste in addition to that. The faster you cast FFB the faster you can proc a Pyro.
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FFB Spec
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22501575 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:47:10 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22483496 said by Shamartist:

said by xcal784:

said by Shamartist:

i raid with FFB spec, so does the other 2 mages in my guild, i have the hit for FB/TTW i just dont like how it feels. feel free to check out my spec just Armory Wolftickets on Tichondrius
FFB and FB/TTW feel the exact same. The rotation is identical except one is FFB and one is FB. What exactly is different about the feel to you? Do you feel the extra hit requirement or is it the loss of Icy Veins you feel?
mostly loss of ice veins, i like having that on demand burst
Sounds like you should have the classic Arcane (Burst) spec + FB/TTW (Sustained) spec. Arcane dumps mana super fast which lends itself to IV better then FFB or FB/TTW. I personally love Arcane spec for insain bursting dps. Nothing touches an arcane mages burst dps as far as a mage goes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22483496 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:51:42 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22483393 said by xcal784:

said by Shamartist:

i raid with FFB spec, so does the other 2 mages in my guild, i have the hit for FB/TTW i just dont like how it feels. feel free to check out my spec just Armory Wolftickets on Tichondrius
FFB and FB/TTW feel the exact same. The rotation is identical except one is FFB and one is FB. What exactly is different about the feel to you? Do you feel the extra hit requirement or is it the loss of Icy Veins you feel?
mostly loss of ice veins, i like having that on demand burst]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22483393 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:35:01 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22483146 said by Shamartist:

i raid with FFB spec, so does the other 2 mages in my guild, i have the hit for FB/TTW i just dont like how it feels. feel free to check out my spec just Armory Wolftickets on Tichondrius
FFB and FB/TTW feel the exact same. The rotation is identical except one is FFB and one is FB. What exactly is different about the feel to you? Do you feel the extra hit requirement or is it the loss of Icy Veins you feel?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22483146 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:01:53 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22483087 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22483087 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:49:24 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22467471 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22467471 Sat, 30 May 2009 00:25:49 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22444527
moostafari on bladefist. it's my dual spec talent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22444527 Tue, 26 May 2009 09:25:59 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22444433 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22444433 Tue, 26 May 2009 09:00:39 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22411760 said by xcal784:

Arcane is still doing more for me then FB/TTW. I guess FB/TTW is very very picky on your gear to max it out. I'm just going to keep using arcane and rolling on FB/TTW gear till I get BiS for almost everything to try it again. I'd be curious to look at some other people's FB/TTW specs for gear to see what they use to pull better dps with.
I've found its really just what your used to. FB/ttw can do more depending on your preference. I prefer arcane and I'm going to stick with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22411760 Tue, 19 May 2009 14:03:54 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22405341 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22405341 Mon, 18 May 2009 10:15:52 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22383343 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22383343 Wed, 13 May 2009 14:29:48 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382888 said by Moos:

I would say stick with Scorch until you are certain that another mage or a lock is going to be with you everytime. Scorch will improve the whole raids crit where molten armour will improve only yours.
Yea but how much will starting with 5 vs 1 then adding 1 scorch every cycle matter is the question. Even with molten armor glyph you can use scorch the same it just takes 5 casts instead of 1. I think it's more of a 10man vs 25man issue for me. In 25mans we always have it covered but in 10mans it's often times missing. I guess I should glyph FB/TTW molten for 25mans and 10man will just suffer. Arcane gives no crit bonus to the raid so I think for the sake of testing apples to apples I need molten to compare dps correctly anyways. I'll re-glyph tonight and test it some more but I think my gear isn't good enough to surpass arcane yet. FB/TTW does really take an insain amount of gear to make it fly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382888 Wed, 13 May 2009 13:12:25 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382797 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382797 Wed, 13 May 2009 12:54:29 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382774 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382774 Wed, 13 May 2009 12:48:40 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382766 said by Moos:

XCal, Have you been using FB for a bit now? Can you update us on how you like it VS arcane? I'm looking at making this switch as well but dont have the gear for the hit rating just yet. our guild is currently doing 10 man ulduar and not 25. Would FB be better over arcane for 10 man? Just hoping on an update and hear you opinion on it all. hows your DPS vs arcane? I'm just curious as to why everyone says FB is superiour to arcane in ulduar.
I just started using it a week ago half time. So far I've tried it in a few raids. I found FB/TTW to be less dps on EOE10 vs arcane for 2 straight weeks now. I think my 35% crits unbuffed isn't enough to proc pyro enough yet tho. It does take a bit of getting use to vs arcane. I'm having a delima on Imp. Scorch or Molten glyph also. Should I just stick to Molten and hope we have another mage or lock who does that or be safe and keep Imp. Scorch? I can't figure it out myself. I guess I could keep like 10 of each glyph on me and reglyph as needed but sheez. Anyone have any thoughts on this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382766 Wed, 13 May 2009 12:47:06 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382706 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22382706 Wed, 13 May 2009 12:33:22 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22381428 said by Mashiki:

AB AB AB ([mbarr] or abarr)

It hasn't changed too much ;) You might need to weave a bit.
Yea arcane rotation is very simple. I toss a 4th AB into my rotation since my mana can support that but other then that I use it the same as anyone else. ABx3 then abar if mbarr isn't proc'ed. I will drop a fire blast in there after ABx3 sometimes to try 1 last time to proc mbarr then abarr if I can't proc it but it depends on the fight. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22381428 Wed, 13 May 2009 08:22:09 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22378898 AB AB AB ([mbarr] or abarr)

It hasn't changed too much ;) You might need to weave a bit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22378898 Tue, 12 May 2009 17:46:34 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22378680 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22378680 Tue, 12 May 2009 17:07:32 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22376572
You can shift points around on a few things to tweak the spec the way you like it. You could ditch Magic Attunment for Student of the Mind for example. Frostbite and Perafrost talents aren't required for anything but filler to get Icy Veins so move those as you like. You shouldn't need 'Slow' but it's 1 point and helpful to solo dailies so I grab it. Feel free to ditch it if you see something else that 1 point could help you out with more.

Attached: sample talent build for arcane where red boxes are critical to get for maximum dps. The only exception I'd add is I feel Arcane Meditation is critcal for mana regen but again that's up to you on how you use your arcane spec.
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Arcane 57/3/11
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22376572 Tue, 12 May 2009 11:12:42 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22360475 said by doopy :

Can i ask what spell rotatition i should be using with this spec? Im currently FFB and do scorch, living bomb, FFB, pyro (on proc). I keep living bomb up and scorch x5. Fire/TTW and FFB are pretty much the same, if you can do one you can do the other.

Scorch up, get LB up, cast Fireball/FFB, weave pyros and refresh dots/debuffs as needed per rotation.

So:
SCx5, LBx1, FB/FFBx5-7, SCx1, w/pyro-weaving]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22360475 Fri, 08 May 2009 17:09:51 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22360464 said by andy7117:

I still say take Combustion, lose the point in Flame Throwing. Combustion's always good when you need to proc Hot Streak.
Just how I see it, extra 3 yards on your fire spells or 2 10k fireball crits followed by a big pyroblast.
Mediocre, since everything is RNG unless you time it 100% accurately you can still end up with a LB tick eating your combustion. Which means that you'd get two crits, and a 50/50% chance of a pyroblast crit. And then you're back to your normal rotation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22360464 Fri, 08 May 2009 17:07:32 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22358849 said by doopy :

Can i ask what spell rotatition i should be using with this spec? Im currently FFB and do scorch, living bomb, FFB, pyro (on proc). I keep living bomb up and scorch x5.
Your casting Fireballs and not FFB right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22358849 Fri, 08 May 2009 12:08:14 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22358375 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22358375 Fri, 08 May 2009 10:37:53 EDT Re: [ Classes] 3.1 mage specs and gear (PvE & PvP) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22358093 said by doopy :

Can i ask what spell rotatition i should be using with this spec? Im currently FFB and do scorch, living bomb, FFB, pyro (on proc). I keep living bomb up and scorch x5.
That's exactly what you should be doing. Some say LB before scorch IMO doesn't make any difference.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Classes-31-mage-specs-and-gear-PvE-PvP-22358093 Fri, 08 May 2009 09:32:51 EDT