dcurrey
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join:2004-06-29 | Nobody company
Well look at that a no name company can do what the big boys can't and/or won't do. If that's not a reason for another break up of bells I don't know what is. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | There need to breakup the co's. Make the last mile, consumer based, so the resident owns the equipment. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | that wouldn't work because then youd have people say um I don't want to and hold up the whole neighbor hood |
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bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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90 million Fiber-To-The-Home (FTTH) overbuild for all of its 30,000 residential customers in the south-central and southern part of the state.
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That is 3 grand a pop (90million/30,000) JUST for phase one. That is a large capital cost. |
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DrModem
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join:2006-10-19
USA
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2 edits | And they obviously think it's worth it.
Also some math, if they charge $30/month it would take 8.3 years for each customer to have their base 3k share paid off. That's not all that much time, especially for a technology that's probably going to be around for decades and still be fast enough. And the bigger customers (IE the ones doing 100/100) will probably be getting charged way more than $30/month.
If they do speed packages right I'm sure they will be able to steal tons of customers from any Cable, WISP or other competition they have with minimal trouble. Especially if the cable is TW  |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
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said by DarkLogix  :that wouldn't work because then youd have people say um I don't want to and hold up the whole neighbor hood Not the point, A last mile corp would offer to wire, or maintain the served area. The resident would lease the infrastructure from the corporation. |
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dcurrey
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join:2004-06-29 | reply to DrModem
If they may be planning to abandon the copper plant that will save money in the long run.
Plus they may start offering TV in addition to phone and internet. |
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mtech
join:2002-10-20
Jonesboro, AR
| "Called Fiber-to-the-Home, Smithville’s all-new technology platform will give customers the ability to access the Internet, voice, and television and web based television services at a speed much faster than currently available to most residential customers anywhere in the United States—in rural or urban areas."
The press release announces that they are planning TV, phone and internet. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
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ya $30/month would likely be a slower service
lets assume that they have a whole range of services and just to make it even with other offers out there lets say that their top pack is 100/100+TV+VoIP for $150 (ya just a random price but go with it)
lets say the averages endup being as though 50topend/50lowend
so lets say $90/month per house passed
so 2.7 years ROI
and as its fiber the biggest part of the cost is likely the fiber itsself so a greater speed upgrade would be easy |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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·Qwest.net
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Triple play bundles run around $100 to start, maybe $80 or $90 if it's really basic. Premium content and internet might edge the price up to around $150. $3k doesn't look so bad after all, especially when that's an alternative to people going elsewhere (to cable due to lousy DSL speeds, to cellular or cable for voice, to cable or sat for TV). It's a lot of new revenue due to the buildout... |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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It's great they are going to offer fiber to their customers. Don't get the idea these companies like this one are in it for the greater good of the consumer. These companies are often worse than the big ILECs in terms of a monopoly. I have never dealt with these guys but often these smaller ILECs will bend you over when you need business class services. Try getting a point to point T1 into one of these small LECs and see how bad many of them will screw you.
We pay 3 to 4 times the price on a T1 that terminates in one of these little CLECs as apposed to a Bell or Verizon C0. In some cases I understand when the LEC is in the middle of no where with a small number of customers, but in most cases they gouge your eyes out simply because they can. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
·BroadVoice
| reply to DaveNJ
said by DaveNJ :A last mile corp would offer to wire, or maintain the served area. The resident would lease the infrastructure from the corporation. There is nothing stopping any number of companies from doing that right now. I think the biggest hurdle is that its not really a viable business model at this point. The overwhelming majority of people are happy with their $20 DSL/Cable 'lite' tier, and if faced with the option of paying up to a few thousand dollars just for additional internet choices they wont do it.
The other major issue (as I have pointed out before) is that even assuming the entire neighborhood is wired, the nearest carrier hotel could be a few hundred miles away. The price for that longhaul circuit could easily run $50k or more (per month), depending on how rural the area is. Once you factor in the tremendous MRC the whole thing becomes a lot less palatable.
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morbo
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said by bn1221 :That is 3 grand a pop (90million/30,000) JUST for phase one. That is a large capital cost. reasonable for a completely new system. cost is x2 or x3 as much as Verizon or AT&T. they don't quite have the buying or bargaining power of one of the entrenched telcos. |
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travelguy
join:1999-09-03
Santa Fe, NM
| reply to DrModem
said by DrModem :Also some math, if they charge $30/month it would take 8.3 years for each customer to have their base 3k share paid off. Unfortunately, I'm afraid you wouldn't do so well in a Finance 101 class. Your 8.3 year payoff doesn't take into consideration the cost of capital (i.e. the finance charge). Even at current interest rates, that's a significant amount of money. It also ignores the operating costs (both local & content) as well as installation & maintenance (truck rolls are expensive).
The good news is that you probably don't need a 8.3 year payback. Don't know what the standard depreciation schedule is for fiber in the ground, but I would imagine it's at least 20 years. That increases the financing costs, but reduces the monthly payment. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
| as for operating costs I'm sure they already have an ISP so this is a preexisting cost
and who knows how they paid for it there is the possibility that they had a money pool maintained for just this use (unlikely but its possible)
and also I would think when they said 90mill it was more than just equ (I would guess its Equ+labor+advertising+employee training+ect) |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to battleop
Interesting...a T1 is ridiculously expensive back home in Fredericksburg TX where the ILEC is...you probably DIDN'T guess it...Verizon. |
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Rob23
@windstream.net | reply to DarkLogix
"Federal loan program (Stimulus bill includes 7.2 billion for broadband loans & grants)from the U.S. Dept of Agriculture " Thank You MR. PRESIDENT. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to iansltx
We pay a good bit under $500 for these LD Point to Point T1s that terminate in a major ILEC's CO. If you get the same into one of these small ILECs you can pay from $500 to $1500 depending on how strong their local monopoly is. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Verizon FIOS
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
·BroadVoice
| said by battleop :We pay a good bit under $500 for these LD Point to Point T1s that terminate in a major ILEC's CO. If you get the same into one of these small ILECs you can pay from $500 to $1500 depending on how strong their local monopoly is. It is not uncommon to find small LEC DS1's running many thousands of dollars due to loop cost. Heck, even the LEC can charge a few grand just for the loop in a number of areas.....
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When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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