http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22347910 en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:10:00 EDT Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:10:00 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22351881 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22351881 Thu, 07 May 2009 00:01:05 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22350709 said by dcurrey:

Well look at that a no name company can do what the big boys can't and/or won't do. If that's not a reason for another break up of bells I don't know what is.
To be fair.. you might as well lump COMCAST with the telcos as well in their anti-competitive shenanigans! We're also talking about a twc competitor.. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22350709 Wed, 06 May 2009 19:51:22 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349691 said by NYState :

Verizon I believe is a flat $250 per month for a T1 from the CO to customer in that CO anywhere in NY State. Pretty cheap compared to what an indie ILEC might charge. I've seen many indie ILECs that sell DSL in chunks of 256 kbitps as if its 1995. 1.5 DSL? $150 per month. $60 for 256kbitps. ISDN is suddenly seems cheap.
Last time I ordered a T1 from Verizon business in NY it cost about $900/mo for 1 year commit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349691 Wed, 06 May 2009 16:32:45 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349351 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349351 Wed, 06 May 2009 15:32:49 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349235 said by NYState :

Verizon I believe is a flat $250 per month for a T1 from the CO to customer in that CO anywhere in NY State. 100% false. Verizon's T1's are priced based on mileage, on both the wholesale and retail level. There are many places in NYS where a Verizon T1 (loop) is far more than $250, if one can even be delivered at all. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349235 Wed, 06 May 2009 15:11:05 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349016 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349016 Wed, 06 May 2009 15:06:44 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349182 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22349182 Wed, 06 May 2009 15:02:55 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348826 said by battleop:

We pay a good bit under $500 for these LD Point to Point T1s that terminate in a major ILEC's CO. If you get the same into one of these small ILECs you can pay from $500 to $1500 depending on how strong their local monopoly is.
It is not uncommon to find small LEC DS1's running many thousands of dollars due to loop cost. Heck, even the LEC can charge a few grand just for the loop in a number of areas.....
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and who knows how they paid for it there is the possibility that they had a money pool maintained for just this use (unlikely but its possible)

and also I would think when they said 90mill it was more than just equ (I would guess its Equ+labor+advertising+employee training+ect)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348316 Wed, 06 May 2009 12:37:54 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348271 said by DrModem:

Also some math, if they charge $30/month it would take 8.3 years for each customer to have their base 3k share paid off. Unfortunately, I'm afraid you wouldn't do so well in a Finance 101 class. Your 8.3 year payoff doesn't take into consideration the cost of capital (i.e. the finance charge). Even at current interest rates, that's a significant amount of money. It also ignores the operating costs (both local & content) as well as installation & maintenance (truck rolls are expensive).

The good news is that you probably don't need a 8.3 year payback. Don't know what the standard depreciation schedule is for fiber in the ground, but I would imagine it's at least 20 years. That increases the financing costs, but reduces the monthly payment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348271 Wed, 06 May 2009 12:26:31 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348252 said by bn1221:

That is 3 grand a pop (90million/30,000) JUST for phase one. That is a large capital cost.
reasonable for a completely new system. cost is x2 or x3 as much as Verizon or AT&T. they don't quite have the buying or bargaining power of one of the entrenched telcos.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348252 Wed, 06 May 2009 12:22:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348229 said by DaveDude:

A last mile corp would offer to wire, or maintain the served area. The resident would lease the infrastructure from the corporation.
There is nothing stopping any number of companies from doing that right now. I think the biggest hurdle is that its not really a viable business model at this point. The overwhelming majority of people are happy with their $20 DSL/Cable 'lite' tier, and if faced with the option of paying up to a few thousand dollars just for additional internet choices they wont do it.

The other major issue (as I have pointed out before) is that even assuming the entire neighborhood is wired, the nearest carrier hotel could be a few hundred miles away. The price for that longhaul circuit could easily run $50k or more (per month), depending on how rural the area is. Once you factor in the tremendous MRC the whole thing becomes a lot less palatable.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348229 Wed, 06 May 2009 12:17:22 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348214
We pay 3 to 4 times the price on a T1 that terminates in one of these little CLECs as apposed to a Bell or Verizon C0. In some cases I understand when the LEC is in the middle of no where with a small number of customers, but in most cases they gouge your eyes out simply because they can.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348214 Wed, 06 May 2009 12:14:00 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348197 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348197 Wed, 06 May 2009 12:10:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348175 lets assume that they have a whole range of services and just to make it even with other offers out there lets say that their top pack is 100/100+TV+VoIP for $150 (ya just a random price but go with it)

lets say the averages endup being as though 50topend/50lowend

so lets say $90/month per house passed
so 2.7 years ROI
and as its fiber the biggest part of the cost is likely the fiber itsself so a greater speed upgrade would be easy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348175 Wed, 06 May 2009 12:04:46 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348153
The press release announces that they are planning TV, phone and internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348153 Wed, 06 May 2009 11:58:20 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348082
Plus they may start offering TV in addition to phone and internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348082 Wed, 06 May 2009 11:46:09 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348014 said by DarkLogix:

that wouldn't work because then youd have people say um I don't want to and hold up the whole neighbor hood
Not the point, A last mile corp would offer to wire, or maintain the served area. The resident would lease the infrastructure from the corporation. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22348014 Wed, 06 May 2009 11:32:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22347996
Also some math, if they charge $30/month it would take 8.3 years for each customer to have their base 3k share paid off. That's not all that much time, especially for a technology that's probably going to be around for decades and still be fast enough. And the bigger customers (IE the ones doing 100/100) will probably be getting charged way more than $30/month.

If they do speed packages right I'm sure they will be able to steal tons of customers from any Cable, WISP or other competition they have with minimal trouble. Especially if the cable is TW :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22347996 Wed, 06 May 2009 11:29:43 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22347989 ++++++++

That is 3 grand a pop (90million/30,000) JUST for phase one. That is a large capital cost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22347989 Wed, 06 May 2009 11:28:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22347980 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22347980 Wed, 06 May 2009 11:27:10 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22347935 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Nobody-company-22347935 Wed, 06 May 2009 11:17:23 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Nobody-company-22347910 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Nobody-company-22347910 Wed, 06 May 2009 11:11:02 EDT