DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
clubs: | F this
and will they subtract all advertisements from my quota?
my year 2000 internet is starting to look better everyday |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
1 edit | said by DataRiker  :and will they subtract all advertisements from my quota? ... why should they? Your computer pulled it in from a site that you requested. That's the same thing as saying you shouldn't have to pay for hold and call routing times when you call a company long distance on a metered service.
But, in the end, it doesn't matter becuase metered billing isn't needed. |
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AVonGauss
Premium,MVM
join:2007-11-01
Boynton Beach, FL
1 edit | While I agree generally with your comments about the ads, when the provider is involved, serving or otherwise has financial interest in the ad it gets a bit more complex. Not quite as extreme, but it would be like a cell phone carrier sending a SMS ad to you and then charging you for the SMS message. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| When you're talking about stuff coming from the provider's site, sure. I had a feeling that this one would come up. 
The only thing I could counter that with is simply put, if you're logging onto a provider's site from their line, they direct you to a non-ad served site. Or, the other thing would be that you still have the option NOT to visit their site as well. But, I do agree with double dipping being wrong. |
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DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
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2 edits | said by fiberguy :When you're talking about stuff coming from the provider's site, sure. I had a feeling that this one would come up. The only thing I could counter that with is simply put, if you're logging onto a provider's site from their line, they direct you to a non-ad served site. Or, the other thing would be that you still have the option NOT to visit their site as well. But, I do agree with double dipping being wrong. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whats to stop them from making bandwidth intensive ads? Or investing in companies that due? |
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djhexer
join:2002-10-07
Sparks, NV
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said by fiberguy :said by DataRiker :and will they subtract all advertisements from my quota? ... why should they? Your computer pulled it in from a site that you requested. That's the same thing as saying you shouldn't have to pay for hold and call routing times when you call a company long distance on a metered service. But, in the end, it doesn't matter becuase metered billing isn't needed. But if you call long distance and "know" you have to hold a long period of time you have an option to hang up. if you are pulling an add you know you don't want example. video ads on web sites. you do not have a choice to stop/close the connection. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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Who knows.. and who cares... I already made my point and your post doesn't change it. .. if you go to a site that is sucking bandwidth, or serving ads you don't want to pay for, then don't go there.
Your post sounds a lot like nanny-ism at it's best. Again, let me be clear since the memory span on this site is small.. I don't support metered billing. However, no matter HOW you are being charged for the internet, it's still the user that is the cause for data to flow the direction of your modem. Metered billing isn't enough to change how you get your content. You click, you get what you get. You have NO idea if when you launch a site if you're going to get ads or not.. that's still your issue and no one else's.
Any other ad related issues regarding the provider, see my post above. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| reply to djhexer
but it.. but if.. bla.. seriously.. this is really stretching it. If you see an ad on a website, don't patronize or visit it again - there, you just hung up on the site like you would a call. Does that clear it up for you?
Again, metered billing doesn't change anything on what YOU pull down from the net. You could visit a site today and it has no ads. Visit tomorrow, they're there.. Ads are content just as anything else on the page and is part of what you get when you want to visit someone else's site.. seriously, time to get over that part.
On the other hand, with the so-called and current "un-metered" billing system, you see them nitpicking over ads?
HOW you pay for the data you get doesn't change how things come down your way.
I'm not going to respond on this anymore.. there are WAY too many ridiculous arguments going on here now about "ads" on websites.. The issue of ads goes back to the site itself. They allow you to often visit the site for free of charge. Would you rather pay for internet AND pay the sites you visit? .. are you advocating less choice for yourself on line? .. by all means.. continue on. Ads and internet connections are not related. |
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DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
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4 edits | reply to fiberguy
The shills have gotten smarter on this site I must say, with sophisticated positions like "i don't support metered billing But........." or "i don't like what this company does But......"
Oh, and for the "who cares", i would assume anyone who pays an internet bill.
You still have yet to address the fact the more ads = a larger bill. You only counter is "who cares" |
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DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
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With metered billing Ads are connected to your internet connection, as with many sites the advertisements take up the lion's share of the bandwidth.
So, that means more ads equals a bigger bill. A contradiction on the point of advertising and a sneaky way of double dipping. |
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NSA_CIA
@charter.com
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fiberguy
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said by DataRiker :You still have yet to address the fact the more ads = a larger bill. You only counter is "who cares" The counter is the ads aren't large enough to affect your bill.
Are you really getting GIGABYTES worth of ads? No, maybe a few hundred megabytes... How does the amount of data in the ads compare to the caps needed to be billed by the GB?
Your bitching is equivalent to complaining about being charged for the vapors and drips coming off the gas pump when you just put 20 gallons in your car. Or it's the amount of milk left coating the container when it's too empty to fill a glass. Yes it's measurable, no it doesn't make a difference in your bill.
If you think otherwise, show us your bandwidth logs JUST for ads you downloaded. Tell us how many GBs of ads you downloaded last month. What's the ratio of ad bandwidth to requested data? 1 to 99?
If it's that big of a problem, BLOCK the ads. There's LOTS of solutions for that, many of them free. |
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DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
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2 edits | your reply is block the ads its easy?
what a joke
and by the way an increasing number of sites are hosting more and more ads, which in many cases take up the majority of the pages bandwidth.
So it could be very reasonable that someone is paying say, 20 or 30 % of their bill just for ads.
The shills on this site are absolutely terrified of this point, and they will try very very hard to belittle and distort this as much as possible. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to fiberguy
If you support metered billing, then you have to deal with the nitpickers. You cannot support that side of this argument, and then get all snooty when people don't like it and poke holes at it. You wanted the billing model, so sake the bitching that comes with it.
cw |
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
1 edit | reply to fiberguy
Fiberguy, stop being such a jerk.
You do realize that as you read one web page the advertisement window could have uploaded multiple advertisements in the same banner ad space, right?
So basically if we go to metered billing that shit has to stop. If there is metered billing I have to be able to manage things myself. Lets say I pay for access to a site like Fark.com or something else like that. So I'm paying to be there yet I am not in control of the ad's that cycle through the top banner. It could be as innocuous as a single JPG or it could switch to a flash based ad 30 seconds later. Regardless, its out of my control.
Yes yes, close the page, but no, I can't I'm paying for access to that site.
See the dilemma?
I read you reply more as wanting to be "right" about your point (argument) than something you can really get behind as a practice you would implement if you were an ISP.
Don't you as a consumer want to be in control of the services you buy? If you don't, you're a shill. |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20 | reply to wentlanc
Where did I ever support metered billing? Please show me one place where I said I supposed metered billing. And then edit your post. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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I'm being a "jerk" becuase I don't agree with you and your whining? wow!
Long walk.. short pier.
I could care less about the meter billing argument becuase as I've said before, this is all a smoke screen to distract people like you from what's really going on behind the curtain.. You REALLY think that metered billing is going to happen? no.. it's not. It's like the H1N1 flu and it being some kind of Pandemic.. give me a break. The REGULAR flu kills thousands each year.. it's a freaking distraction, or are you too distracted to see it?
Either way, it doesn't matter. If you have metered billing, it still doesn't change a damn thing! YOU pull the content from the sites YOU visit.. if you're worried about what you use, then don't visit sites you're worried about - plain and simple!
Gas costs money and is metered. If you don't want to use so much, then don't drive as much. If you visit Amazon.com and you're being fed ads, that's not AT&T's fault.. before metered billing, you're pulling those same ads.. but are you bitching about the bandwidth now? Of course not.. becuase, well, as you say, you're being a jerk. (next time, find another way to start your post)
Further, you're sitting there, like an illiterate web surfer trying to be the one making the point that is right, make a point to be right, having missed that I've said not once, but 5 times, that I do not support metered billing... go read! It's fundamental! |
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX | Pot... kettle.... black. I submit we both whined in there a great deal.
Have a good day. |
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
| reply to fiberguy
Didn't you just say "I'm not going to respond on this anymore.. there are WAY too many ridiculous arguments going on here now about "ads" on websites.." a few minutes ago ?
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Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. |
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RR User
@rr.com
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fiberguy
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said by DataRiker :your reply is block the ads its easy? what a joke and by the way an increasing number of sites are hosting more and more ads, which in many cases take up the majority of the pages bandwidth. So it could be very reasonable that someone is paying say, 20 or 30 % of their bill just for ads. The shills on this site are absolutely terrified of this point, and they will try very very hard to belittle and distort this as much as possible. Easy. AdBlock Plus and a hosts file catch 99% of the ads that may be on the sites I surf.
I download over 100GB of data a month, yet the ads might add up to 100 MB even without the ad blocking stuff.
If the limit is even TWCs low 40GB before metered billing starts, how do you get 20 or 30% of a bill going to ads? How much data do you think the AVERAGE user consumes?
If all you did was surf MySpace, then maybe you'd get percentage of ads you're thinking of, but you'd get nowhere near enough data use to pass the limit to hit billable data usage.
To get alot of data use you're downloading movies, music, disk images, games, updates, etc, not ad filled web surfing. Mass bandwidth usage (say 40GB and up) doesn't come with ads.
Prove otherwise or shutup. |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20 | reply to sturmvogel
B_te M_ .... fill in the blanks |
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