Topic 'Re: Google lobbying Feds against being labeled a monopoly' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22360877 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:57:32 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:57:32 EDT Re: Google lobbying Feds against being labeled a monopoly http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22369126 said by amigo_boy:

What I felt was monopolistic was the way MS required OEMs to sell an OS license with every computer whether the customer wanted it or not.That's what I thought as well. So Google can't be considered a monopoly simply because it's not imposed on anyone.

Besides. If the DOJ causes too much trouble, Google can simply leave the USA and set up shop in multiple foreign countries.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22369126 Sun, 10 May 2009 22:02:21 EDT Re: Google lobbying Feds against being labeled a monopoly http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22364592 said by ThrowDemsOut:

I don't think the government should have gone after Microsoft ...
I think the government went after MS over the wrong thing. What I felt was monopolistic was the way MS required OEMs to sell an OS license with every computer whether the customer wanted it or not. That helped stop demand for IBM OS/2.

Nobody would consider buying a different OS if they'd already paid for one. There was no reason to even consider a choice because there effectively wasn't one (when you've already paid for an OS).

It was remarkable that the government went after MS because it came with Internet Explorer (and you couldn't uninstall it). Arguably essential to the OS. But, ignored the coercive OEM licensing thing.

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22364592 Sat, 09 May 2009 18:06:46 EDT Re: Google lobbying Feds against being labeled a monopoly http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22362713
During the lifespan of a computer, an OS choice is one that is much more difficult to change than a Search Engine choice. Google has to work to keep a consumer that could wander off on a minute's notice.

If GMail had as many outages as Win98 had blue screens, it'd have no users at all. That reflects the much tighter hold MS had over it's users.

Another example is that Google's Web App Suite has done little to chisel market share away from MS office. This is in spite of the shortcomings that make up Office 2007. I'd say Sun Office has more dedicated users than Google Apps.

We can keep looking at the technical legal differences between possible monopolies, but monopoly laws are supposed to be consumer-centric. I believe the consumer has a much easier time of choosing alternatives to Google offerings than they ever had from walking away from Microsoft.

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said by yt:

There are other OS's too, but MS was close.

When one company controls the world wide "starting point" of the Internet, the majority of all Internet advertising and all the cookies that monitor what you do, I would say they should be kept an eye on.
I don't think the government should have gone after Microsoft and now shouldn't go after Google either. But I also don't see why Google gets a pass when Microsoft didn't. It is the same situation.
I don't think the feds should have gone after MS either (Apple and Linux anyone?) but I don't think the situations are very similar. Google has real, certifiable competition from Yahoo and Microsoft.

It could have been (and still can be) argued that Apple and Linux weren't (and still aren't) viable competition to Microsoft on the desktop. Part of the anti-trust was also that Microsoft was using undocumented API features of the OS to give their products (Media Player, Internet Explorer) an unfair advantage over competitors.

Not to get off track, but I think the feds went after MS because at the time, MS has ZERO lobbyists in Washington and didn't really play ball like the government wanted. Hell, Apple is way more guilty of anti-competitive behavior than MS ever was. The difference is Apple is still in the single (maybe low double) digit percentages on the desktop ownership market.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22362091 Fri, 08 May 2009 23:54:07 EDT Re: Google lobbying Feds against being labeled a monopoly http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22361329 said by yt:

There are other OS's too, but MS was close.

When one company controls the world wide "starting point" of the Internet, the majority of all Internet advertising and all the cookies that monitor what you do, I would say they should be kept an eye on.
I don't think the government should have gone after Microsoft and now shouldn't go after Google either. But I also don't see why Google gets a pass when Microsoft didn't. It is the same situation.
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When one company controls the world wide "starting point" of the Internet, the majority of all Internet advertising and all the cookies that monitor what you do, I would say they should be kept an eye on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22361256 Fri, 08 May 2009 20:32:08 EDT Re: Google lobbying Feds against being labeled a monopoly http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22361008 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22361008 Fri, 08 May 2009 19:24:43 EDT Re: Google lobbying Feds against being labeled a monopoly http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22360904
While I have no doubt Google's market share is massive, I still don't see them acting anti-consumer.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22360904 Fri, 08 May 2009 18:52:56 EDT Google lobbying Feds against being labeled a monopoly http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Google-lobbying-Feds-against-being-labeled-a-monopoly-22360877 www.scribd.com/doc/15067030/Anon···d_send=1
The black type is Google's presentation. The RED comments are by Consumer Watchdog.

Title: "Anonymous Analysis of Google Charm Offensive"
Description: An anonymous analysis, obtained by Consumer Watchdog, of Google's "Charm Offensive" that Google's using to defend its growth and deflect from antitrust concerns. ConsumerWatchdog.org

Story on this:
»money.cnn.com/2009/05/07/technol···09050817

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