LJGoose
join:2008-08-31 Middle Island, NY
·Optimum Online
| [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! Hey guys I figured why not make a topic dedicated to those who get the Ultra either today or sometime within the next month. As most everyone knows Cablevision has now released their new service teir called Ultra. It is 101/15Mbps service. Let us know what you think of the service and so forth. Let it rip.
*Mods if this is not a good idea I am sorry. | |
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 sbalea
join:2009-05-11 Old Bridge, NJ | Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! I just got off the phone with a sales rep. There's a $300 "activation fee" on top of the required professional install fee. I think I'll be ok with Boost for now. | |
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 |  |  |   Bobcat Premium join:2001-02-04 Bedminster, NJ | Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! Wow, a $335 fee is one way to cut back on demand. | |
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by Bobcat :Wow, a $335 fee is one way to cut back on demand. I finally agree with you. Why not just charge 129.00 per month? | |
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| said by Bobcat :Wow, a $335 fee is one way to cut back on demand. It certainly assures that primarily *businesses* are ordering the service, not individuals.
E.g. it ensures that not every damn Usenet/P2P leecher (or uploader) orders it and brings the house down on his node with their legally questionable activities - activities that simply are not happening in a business context, for multiple reasons 
It's also a good way to throttle demand during the startup phase of a new service: the last they want is a hundred techs having to go out on a service call for something that is brand-new to them, with probably plenty of opportunity to screw it up. A not unsubstantial part of that is probably related to some sort of manual step that prevents the service from being self-install today.
So, if you want to ride the cutting edge, and this certainly qualifies, $300 means nothing to you. If it does, you're not on the cutting edge, and you're not an early adopter:
The 4GB iPhone was HOW much when it first came out, if your memory isn't faulting you after just 2 short years? FOUR HUNDRED NINETYNINE BUCKS! Holy crap! It was the most expensive phone, ever! 2 months later, Apple dropped the 4GB version and made the 8GB iPhone standard - and dropped the price for that from $599(!) to $399. Fast forward 18 months, and now we're looking at $199. And those were *still* prices subsidized by monthly service fees.
So stop bitchin' - you want that iPhone^W101Mbps, you know where to get it. | |
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join:2009-05-11 Old Bridge, NJ
| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by Anonymous Coward :E.g. it ensures that not every damn Usenet/P2P leecher (or uploader) orders it and brings the house down on his node with their legally questionable activities - activities that simply are not happening in a business context, for multiple reasons  It's also a good way to throttle demand during the startup phase of a new service: the last they want is a hundred techs having to go out on a service call for something that is brand-new to them, with probably plenty of opportunity to screw it up. A not unsubstantial part of that is probably related to some sort of manual step that prevents the service from being self-install today. All of this is certainly possible. It could also mean they're trying to maximize profits at the expense of the early adopters. I wouldn't be surprised to see the fee go down little by little in the following months. This way, they capture all people who are willing to pay at a certain level. It's called "skimming the market" in business speak. | |
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 |   Jeffrey Merry Christmas Premium join:2002-12-24 Dix Hills,NY clubs:
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| Well, that seals it for me. $300 is a deal-breaker. Like others, I would be prepared to pay the $99/month, and perhaps even the $35 "install fee". However, activation fees are pure BS. On top of that, $300?
Thanks, I'll pass until that comes down to $0 activation fee, and 1 modem that handles the Internet aspect and VoIP aspect.
Queue Verizon's next move. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by Jeffrey :Well, that seals it for me. $300 is a deal-breaker. Like others, I would be prepared to pay the $99/month, and perhaps even the $35 "install fee". However, activation fees are pure BS. On top of that, $300? Thanks, I'll pass until that comes down to $0 activation fee Exactly my feelings. I was really looking forward to using this service over the summer. Oh well. Maybe next year. | |
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join:1999-12-08 Suffern, NY
| said by Jeffrey :Well, that seals it for me. $300 is a deal-breaker. Like others, I would be prepared to pay the $99/month, and perhaps even the $35 "install fee". However, activation fees are pure BS. On top of that, $300? I agree with you. I can see some possible reason for the $35 truck roll fee if the actual reason is that they want to test the line to make sure it can support Ultra. Delivery and hook up of the modem FOR EXISTENT OOL customers does not qualify unless the customer does not want to do a modem swap at the storefront and self-install.Thanks, I'll pass until that comes down to $0 activation fee, and 1 modem that handles the Internet aspect and VoIP aspect. They are supposedly currently certifying the VoIP SBV6220 so that will be offered "RSN". WHY they need to do a separate certification (unless it is for the VoIP on a Ultra circuit) is a question since they support the Non-VoIP version (the SB6120). | |
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join:2000-08-14 New York
·Optimum Online
| said by Jeffrey :Thanks, I'll pass until that comes down to $0 activation fee, .. ..me suspects you may be waiting a long time for this to happen.. | |
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by jimboe :said by Jeffrey :Thanks, I'll pass until that comes down to $0 activation fee, .. ..me suspects you may be waiting a long time for this to happen.. That's OK. These days, I'm about price. I expect Verizon to come out with some package to compete with the 101/15 marketing, although highlighting CV's $300 activation fee shouldn't be too hard. That said, next year when Fios gets to my block, I'll evaluate the packages, speeds, and plans, and go from there.
When I was a CV subscriber in 1999, I had a Sharkfin modem that I had to buy for $100 @ The Wiz, and then locked into a two year contract at $29.99. I thought that was a fair deal back then, but as time went on, things changed. Modems were handed out, and contracts eliminated. Time will tell. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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 LJGoose
join:2008-08-31 Middle Island, NY | Well screw that definatly now. I was thinking about getting it with $300 setup fee but now they just keep tacking on more and more. They can take their Ultra and shove it. | |
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 |  sbalea
join:2009-05-11 Old Bridge, NJ
| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! Oh well, I was willing to pay the monthly $99.95. I was willing to go along with the $35 install fee, especially if that means I don't have to waste time going to the store. But there's no way in hell I'll pay the $300 pure profit fee...er, I mean "activation fee" | |
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join:2007-07-19 Monroe, NY | Well I just ordered it. $300 Activation fee. | |
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join:2009-05-11 Old Bridge, NJ
| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by psilocybin :Well I just ordered it. $300 Activation fee. How far out did they schedule the install? | |
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 |  psilocybin
join:2007-07-19 Monroe, NY
1 edit | Ordered it... requires truck roll.
Install is for Thursday. I have two boost modems, I'll loose one modem and keep two phone lines on a single modem and use the internet only on the new modem.
Stupid $300 Activation fee. Oh well, 101/15 here I come. | |
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join:2007-07-19 Monroe, NY
| said by Anorexorcist :How soon are they actually going to do the install. I'm assuming the $300 fee just gets added to your monthly bill? For me it was just added to monthly bill. | |
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join:2007-07-19 Monroe, NY
| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by jwersan :said by psilocybin :I'll loose one modem and keep two phone lines on a single modem and use the internet only on the new modem. I thought that though the modem could do two lines, OOL couldn't.. Let me know if they can't.. I currently have two boost modems. I'm going to an Ultra tier modem with the 2nd modem for voice only. (Since the new Ultra modem has no VoIP). (The first boost modem had no VoIP.) I already had the two voice jacks on the second modem already. AFAIK they even have a consumer modem now with 3 voice jacks on OOL. (For Boost and under.) | |
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join:2009-02-12 | All services have a crazy upfront fee. Eventually, there will be a self install option like there is now. | |
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 baldassano
join:2003-09-30 Lindenhurst, NY
| I will get it, but not for some months.. I will have to work some side jobs to save he $300 for the install so i dont "feel" it per say...
But its probably better that i wait..
Interesting it requires a truck roll.. why in the world would it need that? Doesnt this run on the same infrastructure, or are they dropping NEW lines to your house, perhaps higher grade cable or something to handle it? | |
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 |  TheWiseGuy Dog And Butterfly Premium,MVM join:2002-07-04 Yonkers, NY
| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! They tend to require truck rolls when they institute new services, so it may simply be SOP. It also may be that they want to check the signal levels, since you are using additional channels and supposed to get higher performance. Hard to know for sure. -- Warning, If you post nonsense and use misinformation and are here to argue based on those methods, you will be put on ignore. | |
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join:2009-05-11 Old Bridge, NJ
| said by baldassano :Interesting it requires a truck roll.. why in the world would it need that? Doesnt this run on the same infrastructure, or are they dropping NEW lines to your house, perhaps higher grade cable or something to handle it? My guess is they just want somebody on the premises to make sure everything works. | |
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 |  |  Rasstar Premium join:2005-01-10 Brooklyn, NY 1 edit | Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! I would have probably tried it then cancelled it but with this fee that's not possible. I can't blame them for charging a fee to prevent that. | |
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join:2003-09-30 Lindenhurst, NY
| Well im definatley dissapointed... Again the use of this at home is really nil (tho i was going to run my own exchange server)..
Outside of that, the only reason to get it os to have Uber net and make people in arkansas cry cause they cant get more then 18 meg Cable.. LOL..
I hope no one gets the service, which will require them to drop the install fee, or do like i said, Say its a $300 fee, but waive it with say a 1 year contract, or say Fee waived at install, so its just a merketing ploy...
For $300 i want the CV tech to vaccum, clean the toilet, do the dishes, rotate the tires on my car, and rake the yard..
GIMME MY $ WORTH! | |
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 |  LJGoose
join:2008-08-31 Middle Island, NY
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by baldassano :Well im definatley dissapointed... Again the use of this at home is really nil (tho i was going to run my own exchange server).. Outside of that, the only reason to get it os to have Uber net and make people in arkansas cry cause they cant get more then 18 meg Cable.. LOL.. I hope no one gets the service, which will require them to drop the install fee, or do like i said, Say its a $300 fee, but waive it with say a 1 year contract, or say Fee waived at install, so its just a merketing ploy... For $300 i want the CV tech to vaccum, clean the toilet, do the dishes, rotate the tires on my car, and rake the yard.. GIMME MY $ WORTH! Amen brother! I am with you on that. It is bothering me so much becouse I know there is faster speed out there and I want it. However I look at it like this. Who's pocket does that money look better in mine or theirs? If it was say a $100 install fee or so I would have no problem with that but $300 + the cost of the tech visit is crazy. Anyway all of you who did order it keep us updated and let us know every single thing they do. If that tech sneezes I want to know. Not really but just keep us updated with the install as well as the speeds after. | |
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by LJGoose :let us know every single thing they do. If that tech sneezes I want to know. Sneezes are an extra $9.95 each. | |
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| i was just on the phone with sales.. yes there is a 300 buck act fee.. current triple play /w boost customers do not have the 35 buck int fee..
the 300 is not explained at all as to what its for or why its so high.. it cant be waived for any reason.. i didnt think to ask if it can be stretched out.. ill have to call back on that one..
im still trying to justify the 300 dollar cost tho.. i really want this service..
you get a static ip, and they have to come and deliver and setup a new docsis 3.0 modem, as your current modem will not handle the higher speed | |
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join:2005-12-30
| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by blkdrgn :
you get a static ip, and they have to come and deliver and setup a new docsis 3.0 modem, as your current modem will not handle the higher speed static ips are only for commerical accounts, even with ultra residental accounts can not get a static ip | |
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join:2007-07-19 Monroe, NY
| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by hbk4099 :said by blkdrgn :
you get a static ip, and they have to come and deliver and setup a new docsis 3.0 modem, as your current modem will not handle the higher speed static ips are only for commerical accounts, even with ultra residental accounts can not get a static ip Confirmed when I got the install earlier. I asked about static IP and he said that would require a business "static" account (YYMV!) who knows. The guy wanted to tell me FIOS only goes at 50Mbit down and I wanted to smack him. Too bad only crappy Frontier is here otherwise I'd have both. :3 I was getting the install regardless of the $300 install. | |
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join:2001-05-31 Torrington, CT
| I called to order this morning and when they told me about the $300 extortion fee I asked the guy what he was smoking this morning. That is just totally stupid. I will wait until fall when they have had very few people signing up and they start with self installs.
I don't see why they require "professionl" installation. Most of their techs are morons (at least in this area) and screwed up my "professional" install of OV when I first signed up for it. I had to arugue with them about the five holes they drilled in the side of my house to install one piece of wire. | |
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join:2003-09-30 Lindenhurst, NY
| Look, im as Pro CV as you can be with their service.. Paying them in excess of $200 a month for TV/Phone/Internet.. But i cant get on the wagon with this one..
As much as i want the service (who wouldn't), in this economy and these times of INsaine lavish spending on things that arent justified, how they can come out and ask a hard working man to spend $300 for a guy to come to my house, screw a coax line into the modem, check my signals, call the techshop and say, Ok activate it and test it from your end.. is MORE then assinine.. Its borderline Criminal..
I hate to say it, but its honestly making me think of going to the 50/20 Fios service, which you can get residential for $99 a month, and NO INSTALL FEE..
With the $45+ per month is was gonna run me for ultra, the $300 install fee is literally me paying for ultra for 7 MONTHS worth of service... HOW NUTS IS THAT...
I wish i could justify it, but a little birdie told me that the install cost is to them justified to keep the monthly cost down.. which i can understand from their end, but also its not like they are manufacturing something.. There just spittin bandwidth..
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 baldassano
join:2003-09-30 Lindenhurst, NY | Sad thing, is its CHEAPER to get a second modem and split the double boost bandwidth with your entire house! | |
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 shadowgod
join:2001-12-08 Torrington, CT | My install is set for May 19th. $300 activation fee and $34.95 setup fee. Can't wait. | |
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 |   Tradewind CV Noi Ka Oi Premium join:2005-11-08 Marlboro, NJ
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by shadowgod :My install is set for May 19th. $300 activation fee and $34.95 setup fee. Can't wait. Seems like your happy paying $300.00. Oh right, Connecticut.
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 |  |   Shamayim I already have a Messiah. Premium join:2002-09-23 | Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! Bronx here and could easily pay it but won't. Being played for a sucker makes me unhappy. Simple as that. -- Who is Jesus? and Why it matters (to YOU).
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join:2006-10-19 Lindenhurst, NY | Wouldnt this install possibly require a new drop to be installed for the second modem ? Also maybe they will be doing node changes as people sign up for ultra?
That could be why they have the $300 install fee. | |
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join:2000-08-14 New York
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by majortom1029 :Wouldnt this install possibly require a new drop to be installed for the second modem ? was thinking the same.. This has to be the reason for the truck roll. They want an isolated separate drop for the Ultra modem.
They wouldn't take any chances sharing the coax LAN in your house with other equipment. Reduces the chances of faulty splits, bad termination, crappy wiring in general. | |
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@cablevision.com | Truck is needed, because you need a special modem to handle docsis 3.0. enough with the theories. and no, you cant pick it up at the cable store. | |
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join:2001-12-08 Torrington, CT 1 edit | Does anyone know? It's got to be more than a simple modem swap for $300? Or is the initial fee so high just so they can keep the monthly price down? | |
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  RickNY Premium join:2000-11-02 New York
| The reason for the 300 fee is easy -- its to separate the people that plan on trying it for a month and then cancelling (ala Boost) from the people that are intending to use it long term.. I think most people that get this will quickly realize they do not need a 101 Mbps connection and would be more quick to cancel after one month - whereas the people that truly need it will stick around | |
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 |   Shamayim I already have a Messiah. Premium join:2002-09-23
| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by RickNY :. . . whereas the people that truly need it will stick around" Until they, too, come to find out what "up to" really means. -- Who is Jesus? and Why it matters (to YOU).
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 |   Thinkdiff Premium,MVM join:2001-08-07 Bronx, NY
1 edit | said by RickNY :The reason for the 300 fee is easy -- its to separate the people that plan on trying it for a month and then cancelling (ala Boost) from the people that are intending to use it long term.. I think most people that get this will quickly realize they do not need a 101 Mbps connection and would be more quick to cancel after one month - whereas the people that truly need it will stick around Exactly.
I was planning on sticking with the service from now until at least September. In September, I was planning to make a decision to keep it or downgrade back to Boost. Chances are I would've kept it (giving CV $1200/year), but the activation fee has prevented me from doing that. I guess that's a tradeoff CV is willing to make.
But I just cannot justify laying out $300 for absolutely nothing. No matter how you spin it (spreading the 300 out over a year or two), you're still paying $300 for no technical reason. | |
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by Thinkdiff :said by RickNY :The reason for the 300 fee is easy -- its to separate the people that plan on trying it for a month and then cancelling (ala Boost) from the people that are intending to use it long term.. I think most people that get this will quickly realize they do not need a 101 Mbps connection and would be more quick to cancel after one month - whereas the people that truly need it will stick around Exactly. I was planning on sticking with the service from now until at least September. In September, I was planning to make a decision to keep it or downgrade back to Boost. Chances are I would've kept it (giving CV $1200/year), but the activation fee has prevented me from doing that. I guess that's a tradeoff CV is willing to make. But I just cannot justify laying out $300 for absolutely nothing. No matter how you spin it (spreading the 300 out over a year or two), you're still paying $300 for no technical reason. +1 | |
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 baldassano
join:2003-09-30 Lindenhurst, NY
| See the question right now is how much is this Hurting their business, as oppose to a no install fee and signup...
1. The $300 is causing bad public relations (aka these posts in the forums bashing it)
2. They are losing the potential thousands who want to take the dive, and effectivly losing out on as much as $99 per household that wants it (more like $40+ since most who want it already have boost)...
So if thats the case, wouldnt it mean the $300 is actually covering about 7 Households tht would have signed up for the increase... So for every 1 person that buys it, to them its 7 People buying it. | |
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by baldassano :1. The $300 is causing bad public relations (aka these posts in the forums bashing it) They got all their positive press 2-3 weeks ago when they announced the service and conveniently left out the $300 charge. Only people actually trying to sign up for the service will be pissed off. Everybody else still thinks CV is great. | |
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Not after the public and competition sees these threads. Everybody in the industry reads DSLR. | |
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 |   sporkme drop the crantini and move it, sister Premium,MVM join:2000-07-01 Morristown, NJ
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| said by baldassano :2. They are losing the potential thousands who want to take the dive, and effectivly losing out on as much as $99 per household that wants it (more like $40+ since most who want it already have boost)... Have you considered that it may help their business to offer this service but only sell it to a handful of people? | |
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  Superific
@cablevision.com | 1198.80 OOL+ULTRA 300.00 - Fee 34.95 - Install
127.81/Month for the first year
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join:2003-09-30 Lindenhurst, NY | Yeah thats alot, hency why i think wiser heads are prevailing here and instead of all of our initial OMG I GOT TO HAVE IT attitude, we have come back to earth and said, ok DO I NEED IT...
It's amazing what $ does. | |
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| Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here! said by baldassano :Yeah thats alot, hency why i think wiser heads are prevailing here and instead of all of our initial OMG I GOT TO HAVE IT attitude, we have come back to earth and said, ok DO I NEED IT... It's amazing what $ does. Yeah that's 127.81 +++++++++ Whatever you pay NOW. | |
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join:2003-09-30 Lindenhurst, NY | Its like someone droppin a sledgehammer on your sack.
A DOCSIS 3.0 Sledgehammer. | |
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 baldassano
join:2003-09-30 Lindenhurst, NY | Sharkfin.. BAH.. I had the original LAN CITY modem back in valley Stream, when i remember the service in its infancy...
I use to like that modem, giant heatsink on top of it you could use to grill a porterhouse... | |
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