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reply to Superific
Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here!

said by Superific :

Truck is needed, because you need a special modem to handle docsis 3.0. enough with the theories. and no, you cant pick it up at the cable store.
Sorry - that's lame.

When intro'd, BOOST required a 'special modem' - because the SB41/4200's wouldn't work with it. They'd ship you an SBV5120 for a self-install (swap out one and swap in the other).

There's nothing particularly 'special' about the new modem other than it's DOCSIS 3.0.
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Anonymous Coward

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said by Bobcat See Profile :

Wow, a $335 fee is one way to cut back on demand.
It certainly assures that primarily *businesses* are ordering the service, not individuals.

E.g. it ensures that not every damn Usenet/P2P leecher (or uploader) orders it and brings the house down on his node with their legally questionable activities - activities that simply are not happening in a business context, for multiple reasons

It's also a good way to throttle demand during the startup phase of a new service: the last they want is a hundred techs having to go out on a service call for something that is brand-new to them, with probably plenty of opportunity to screw it up. A not unsubstantial part of that is probably related to some sort of manual step that prevents the service from being self-install today.

So, if you want to ride the cutting edge, and this certainly qualifies, $300 means nothing to you. If it does, you're not on the cutting edge, and you're not an early adopter:

The 4GB iPhone was HOW much when it first came out, if your memory isn't faulting you after just 2 short years? FOUR HUNDRED NINETYNINE BUCKS! Holy crap! It was the most expensive phone, ever! 2 months later, Apple dropped the 4GB version and made the 8GB iPhone standard - and dropped the price for that from $599(!) to $399. Fast forward 18 months, and now we're looking at $199. And those were *still* prices subsidized by monthly service fees.

So stop bitchin' - you want that iPhone^W101Mbps, you know where to get it.


RARPSL

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reply to Shamayim
said by Shamayim See Profile :

said by Superific :

Truck is needed, because you need a special modem to handle docsis 3.0.
Then use UPS to deliver it.
Or allow you to buy your own modem (as you currently can). Amazon, for example, has the SB6120 for under $100.


Shamayim
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You can buy it but will CV provision it?


Superific

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i'd like to agree with you. but you got to understand the service just rolled out today. the equip is a bit different from the regular modems.

sbalea

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reply to Anonymous Coward
said by Anonymous Coward :

E.g. it ensures that not every damn Usenet/P2P leecher (or uploader) orders it and brings the house down on his node with their legally questionable activities - activities that simply are not happening in a business context, for multiple reasons

It's also a good way to throttle demand during the startup phase of a new service: the last they want is a hundred techs having to go out on a service call for something that is brand-new to them, with probably plenty of opportunity to screw it up. A not unsubstantial part of that is probably related to some sort of manual step that prevents the service from being self-install today.
All of this is certainly possible. It could also mean they're trying to maximize profits at the expense of the early adopters. I wouldn't be surprised to see the fee go down little by little in the following months. This way, they capture all people who are willing to pay at a certain level. It's called "skimming the market" in business speak.


KewlRobd

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said by Shamayim See Profile :

You can buy it but will CV provision it?
They have to, FCC regulations says they have to allow you to buy and use your own equipment.

shadowgod

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Does anyone know? It's got to be more than a simple modem swap for $300? Or is the initial fee so high just so they can keep the monthly price down?


RARPSL

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reply to Shamayim
They provision customer owned D2 modems now. I have one (although I might be grandfathered from the days when you just plugged it in and registered it online).


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said by shadowgod See Profile :

Does anyone know? It's got to be more than a simple a modem swap for $300? Or is the initial fee so high just so they can keep the monthly price down?
I'm quite certain it's to prevent month-to-month'ers from signing up. I don't think it has anything to do with the modem, as it's already been pointed out they're fairly cheap. You're less likely to cancel a service after a month if you just paid 300 non-refundable bucks to set it up.

Horrible business model from the consumer's standpoint, but effective.


RickNY
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reply to LJGoose
The reason for the 300 fee is easy -- its to separate the people that plan on trying it for a month and then cancelling (ala Boost) from the people that are intending to use it long term.. I think most people that get this will quickly realize they do not need a 101 Mbps connection and would be more quick to cancel after one month - whereas the people that truly need it will stick around


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said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

Horrible business model from the consumer's standpoint, but effective.
An effective new customer barrier too.
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Shamayim
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said by RickNY See Profile :

. . . whereas the people that truly need it will stick around"
Until they, too, come to find out what "up to" really means.
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RARPSL

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said by KewlRobd :

said by Shamayim See Profile :

You can buy it but will CV provision it?
They have to, FCC regulations says they have to allow you to buy and use your own equipment.
There is one GOTCHA however. It must be a model that they support (in this case a DPC3000 or SB6120). If you try going with a SBV6220 (to keep your current VoIP) they may or may not support it before they start offering their own SBV6220s.


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said by RickNY See Profile :

The reason for the 300 fee is easy -- its to separate the people that plan on trying it for a month and then cancelling (ala Boost) from the people that are intending to use it long term.. I think most people that get this will quickly realize they do not need a 101 Mbps connection and would be more quick to cancel after one month - whereas the people that truly need it will stick around
Exactly.

I was planning on sticking with the service from now until at least September. In September, I was planning to make a decision to keep it or downgrade back to Boost. Chances are I would've kept it (giving CV $1200/year), but the activation fee has prevented me from doing that. I guess that's a tradeoff CV is willing to make.

But I just cannot justify laying out $300 for absolutely nothing. No matter how you spin it (spreading the 300 out over a year or two), you're still paying $300 for no technical reason.


Superific

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said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

said by RickNY See Profile :

The reason for the 300 fee is easy -- its to separate the people that plan on trying it for a month and then cancelling (ala Boost) from the people that are intending to use it long term.. I think most people that get this will quickly realize they do not need a 101 Mbps connection and would be more quick to cancel after one month - whereas the people that truly need it will stick around
Exactly.

I was planning on sticking with the service from now until at least September. In September, I was planning to make a decision to keep it or downgrade back to Boost. Chances are I would've kept it (giving CV $1200/year), but the activation fee has prevented me from doing that. I guess that's a tradeoff CV is willing to make.

But I just cannot justify laying out $300 for absolutely nothing. No matter how you spin it (spreading the 300 out over a year or two), you're still paying $300 for no technical reason.
+1


RARPSL

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reply to Thinkdiff
said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

said by shadowgod See Profile :

Does anyone know? It's got to be more than a simple a modem swap for $300? Or is the initial fee so high just so they can keep the monthly price down?
I'm quite certain it's to prevent month-to-month'ers from signing up. I don't think it has anything to do with the modem, as it's already been pointed out they're fairly cheap. You're less likely to cancel a service after a month if you just paid 300 non-refundable bucks to set it up.
Dropping a Boost upgraded to Ultra customer back to Boost just requires a Settings Push (just like switching to/from Standard and Boost right now). If they want to justify the need to charge $300 to block Month-to-Month'ers then instead charge a $50-$75 downshift back to Boost Fee if done within 2-3 months. I think they already have a service change fee already in place that serves this purpose.


KewlRobD

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reply to RARPSL
said by RARPSL See Profile :

There is one GOTCHA however. It must be a model that they support (in this case a DPC3000 or SB6120). If you try going with a SBV6220 (to keep your current VoIP) they may or may not support it before they start offering their own SBV6220s.
You are correct, so the VOIP customers will have a bit more trouble and may need to use a cablevision supplied modem for VOIP but if you buy a DOCSIS 3 modem it should be compatable.

TheWiseGuy
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But then you are paying slightly less then $100 more since CV is not charging for the modem.


Superific

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reply to RARPSL
I plan to order the ultra soon as i can scrap up some cash for the "fee". Granted, it's hefty tag. No doubt it about. But im kinda excited to see what's in store.
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