baldassano
join:2003-09-30
Lindenhurst, NY
| reply to LJGoose
Re: [OOL] Optimum Ultra Reviews! Post em here!
See the question right now is how much is this Hurting their business, as oppose to a no install fee and signup...
1. The $300 is causing bad public relations (aka these posts in the forums bashing it)
2. They are losing the potential thousands who want to take the dive, and effectivly losing out on as much as $99 per household that wants it (more like $40+ since most who want it already have boost)...
So if thats the case, wouldnt it mean the $300 is actually covering about 7 Households tht would have signed up for the increase... So for every 1 person that buys it, to them its 7 People buying it. |
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Thinkdiff
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-07
Bronx, NY
| said by baldassano  :1. The $300 is causing bad public relations (aka these posts in the forums bashing it) They got all their positive press 2-3 weeks ago when they announced the service and conveniently left out the $300 charge. Only people actually trying to sign up for the service will be pissed off. Everybody else still thinks CV is great. |
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Anonymous Coward
@optonline.net
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said by baldassano :I wish i could justify it, but a little birdie told me that the install cost is to them justified to keep the monthly cost down.. which i can understand from their end, but also its not like they are manufacturing something.. There just spittin bandwidth.. They may not manufacture anything, but you make it sound like it didn't cost them anything to roll this out, which is hard to believe.
Didn't they say they spent some 200-300 MILLION dollars on network upgrades to roll out DOCSIS3 and Wifi? I am sure they spent that money WELL BEFORE you ever got to throw your $300 into the proverbial fountain to recoup part of that investment - and I've figured out that it really isn't that much:
Lets say they sign up a stunning 100,000 customers for the service in the first 2 years : That's $30M in upfront fees. Only. If the customer growth was linear (and it certainly isn't): 100,000 customers paying $99 month for an average of 12 months over those 2 years = $119M . That gets us to about $150M taken in BEFORE deducting the REGULAR cost of providing OOL service (customer service, repairs, maintenance, backend systems, infrastructure), which I am sure is costing them more than 1/3 of the monthly $99 fee.
I do recall paying Verizon a grand or two for the install of a T1 line not too long ago...so even for a mid-sized business, $300 in upfront is nothing.
I'd rather worry about what router/NAT box has the horse-power to deliver 101Mbps - there might be an unexpected additional $300 in "up front" fees in there  . I've done LAN2LAN test trials with a few consumer-level routers some time ago, and frankly, I am a tad worried... |
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Thinkdiff
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-07
Bronx, NY
1 edit | Since you brought up Verizon...
They can install FiOS to my house for free. Doesn't each install cost something around 1000 bucks for them between the ONT and pulling new fiber from the pole? Plus the millions to run the fiber in the first place.
I think it's fair to say CV wants to recoup their investment, but a giant activation fee isn't the best way to do that.
Edit: As for routers, there are a couple Sub-$100 routers that get excellent speeds (100Mbps+ WAN-to-LAN) |
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Superific
@cablevision.com | reply to LJGoose
1198.80 OOL+ULTRA
300.00 - Fee
34.95 - Install
127.81/Month for the first year
dang. |
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baldassano
join:2003-09-30
Lindenhurst, NY | reply to LJGoose
Yeah thats alot, hency why i think wiser heads are prevailing here and instead of all of our initial OMG I GOT TO HAVE IT attitude, we have come back to earth and said, ok DO I NEED IT...
It's amazing what $ does. |
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Superific
@cablevision.com
| said by baldassano :Yeah thats alot, hency why i think wiser heads are prevailing here and instead of all of our initial OMG I GOT TO HAVE IT attitude, we have come back to earth and said, ok DO I NEED IT... It's amazing what $ does. Yeah that's 127.81 +++++++++ Whatever you pay NOW. |
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baldassano
join:2003-09-30
Lindenhurst, NY | reply to LJGoose
Its like someone droppin a sledgehammer on your sack.
A DOCSIS 3.0 Sledgehammer. |
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Anonymous Howard
@gaoland.net | reply to Thinkdiff
Only people actually trying to sign up for the service will be pissed off. Everybody else still thinks CV is great.
Not after the public and competition sees these threads. Everybody in the industry reads DSLR. |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| reply to jimboe
said by jimboe :said by Jeffrey :Thanks, I'll pass until that comes down to $0 activation fee, .. ..me suspects you may be waiting a long time for this to happen.. That's OK. These days, I'm about price. I expect Verizon to come out with some package to compete with the 101/15 marketing, although highlighting CV's $300 activation fee shouldn't be too hard. That said, next year when Fios gets to my block, I'll evaluate the packages, speeds, and plans, and go from there.
When I was a CV subscriber in 1999, I had a Sharkfin modem that I had to buy for $100 @ The Wiz, and then locked into a two year contract at $29.99. I thought that was a fair deal back then, but as time went on, things changed. Modems were handed out, and contracts eliminated. Time will tell.
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"Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FIOS
·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| reply to Thinkdiff
said by Thinkdiff :said by baldassano :1. The $300 is causing bad public relations (aka these posts in the forums bashing it) They got all their positive press 2-3 weeks ago when they announced the service and conveniently left out the $300 charge. Only people actually trying to sign up for the service will be pissed off. Everybody else still thinks CV is great. I'm waiting for DSLReports.com to do some investigative work and perhaps have a supplimental news story on the service...
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"Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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baldassano
join:2003-09-30
Lindenhurst, NY | reply to LJGoose
Sharkfin.. BAH.. I had the original LAN CITY modem back in valley Stream, when i remember the service in its infancy...
I use to like that modem, giant heatsink on top of it you could use to grill a porterhouse... |
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p0lyplanar
join:2006-04-11
| said by baldassano :Sharkfin.. BAH.. I had the original LAN CITY modem back in valley Stream, when i remember the service in its infancy... I use to like that modem, giant heatsink on top of it you could use to grill a porterhouse... Let's not forget the Zenith... |
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StudioTech
S2409W plus SA4250HD
join:2001-10-10
Edison, NJ | reply to LJGoose
Ironic how this thread now gets shown at the top of the page but there won't be any reviews for at least another 3 days. |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FIOS
·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| reply to baldassano
said by baldassano :Sharkfin.. BAH.. I had the original LAN CITY modem back in valley Stream, when i remember the service in its infancy... I use to like that modem, giant heatsink on top of it you could use to grill a porterhouse... That was an old modem too. I'm just saying times change; bye bye buying your own modem and the 2 year contract. Bye bye to The Wiz as well, but that's a seperate story. Somebody, evidently Beat the Wiz.
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"Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FIOS
·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| reply to StudioTech
said by StudioTech :Ironic how this thread now gets shown at the top of the page but there won't be any reviews for at least another 3 days. Well, I'm sure they will come. And it will be an interesting read over the next few weeks how the people are doing with the Ultra service. Looks like we have a few sign ups here, so hopefully they can post back their results.
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"Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
[my ramblings] |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to Anonymous Coward
said by Anonymous Coward :
I do recall paying Verizon a grand or two for the install of a T1 line not too long ago...so even for a mid-sized business, $300 in upfront is nothing.
A T1 is 100% pure profit. Its nothing more than a normal DSL or any POTS line installation. ALL T1s are SDSL/HDSL/SHDSL lines, sometimes bonded for distance reasons. |
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
Premium
join:2002-09-23
| reply to Jeffrey
said by Jeffrey :said by StudioTech :Ironic how this thread now gets shown at the top of the page but there won't be any reviews for at least another 3 days. Well, I'm sure they will come. And it will be an interesting read over the next few weeks how the people are doing with the Ultra service. Looks like we have a few sign ups here, so hopefully they can post back their results. Well of course the reviews will be positive. First experience with breathtaking speeds and a frequency practically all to yourself, what could be bad? I'm sure CV is counting on that too
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baldassano
join:2003-09-30
Lindenhurst, NY
| reply to LJGoose
Dont be surprised if the speed reviews are mixed.. Remember, Your download speed is only as good as someone's upload speed... and at 100 meg your only gonna benefit from sites that are hosted on OC lines +... (which yes most sites are, but still, add in congestion, latency etc...)..
Im more curious the latency times to say Texas and such.. I imagine they should be the same 40's-50's, which is real sweet. |
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kevinm5
join:2008-05-27
Willows, CA
 ·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to LJGoose
Jumping the gun?
This is supposed to be a review of the service not bashing the price. Yes it's steep but for power users it's nothing. I saw that this required a business static IP so this is more of business line right? All I'm seeing is four pages of of controversy rather than what the title says. I hope the OP deletes all the prior comments including mine and start with the actual reviews. |
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