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Cmon DTV

DishNetwork and DirecTV tried to merge in the past, but were denied by the government. However, they should try again after Sirius and XM were allowed to merge. Their argument was that the internet and other technologies give them too much competition that did not exist ten years ago. DishNetwork and DirecTV can say that the cable companies and telephone companies are now offering TV service, which they did not do ten years ago.

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"satellite TV fails in 5-10 years" Not gonna happen unless cable gets to every house in America AND drops their price to satellite level. I would pay at LEAST $20 more a month if I had comcast(not that I can get it just saying) and the charge $7 for the first HD box and $13 for each one after that, well around here anyway(my grand parents were looking in to comcast HD) Dish $5 for each box.

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Except how many sat users cannot get broadband, or good broadband to use these services.

With bandwidth caps implemented by various ISP's you won't be able to afford to use those sites for content.

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LOL.. Well at least I will be canceling my DishTV next month. But you are right the US does not have the bandwidth to support 32 million viewers across the U.S. of A.. We only have to blame our selves for being in the lower tiers of bandwidth in the world. However no matter how you cut it, Sat TV is going to diminish or die a slow death in the near future. Just like home phone service is right now. With users only paying for cell service. Oh and that industry is going to have issues too when VoIP destroys the "Voice" portion of your bill.

I on the other hand have already made plans to cancel my Sat service.

"Another monthly bill bites the dust" R.I.P...
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»www.dailyiptv.com/features/iptv-···-080807/

Will IPTV Outstrip Satellite TV?
And will the providers end up fiercely competing or playing nice?

David Cotriss

With IPTV operators such as AT&T offering multiplatform bundles that include content from satellite TV providers, one question becomes whether IPTV could actually surpass satellite in subscriber numbers or revenue.
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“In certain markets, IPTV subscriber numbers may equal or even exceed those of satellite,” said Richard Broughton, an analyst at Screen Digest. “However, there is a considerable difference between subscriber numbers and revenue. IPTV average revenue per customer is roughly half that of satellite in Europe — IPTV simply does not have the premium content at the moment and is for the most part not even looking to compete with satellite. While the services are not precisely complementary, there is generally only a slight overlap of the targeted customer groups.”

Broughton went on to explain some of the penetration figures. “Satellite penetration varies from country to country but typically is between 10 and 30 percent of TV households. IPTV, by contrast, has reached just over 5 percent in France, the world's leading market in terms of subscriber numbers. Hong Kong is currently at around 27 to 30 percent but is a bit of an anomaly. Most countries have an IPTV penetration of less than 2 percent. The only countries where IPTV has exceeded satellite are where satellite is not widely available, like China, or has launched only recently, like in Belgium.”
The IPTV Advantage

Explaining some of the advantages IPTV has over satellite, Broughton said, “IPTV has the advantage in that it has a return path. This allows for more advanced services like VOD (video on demand), networked PVR (personal video recorder), games and so forth. Some satellite operators, like BSkyB, have found ways around these limitations but are still fairly restricted in what they can do. The disadvantage of course is that an area has to be connected up to a network to be able to receive IPTV and in many cases, this limits who can access the service — especially where next-generation ADSL2+, VDSL or FTTH (fiber to the home) connections are involved.”

Steven Hawley, a senior analyst at Multimedia Research Group Inc., explained some of the technical aspects of satellite/IPTV collaboration and how they could also be competitors. “There are two ways of looking at satellite and IPTV: as collaborators and as competitors,” he said. “At an aggregation or wholesale level, several satellite operators transport aggregated IP video streams (multichannel television) from a centralized headend and deliver it to local telcos. Large telcos use satellite transport to extend their reach to operations outside of urban areas. Small independent telcos bring this prepackaged TV down to a local headend, combine it with local programming and distribute it to consumers over IP access. An example of this is SES-Americom's IP-Prime service. Intelsat, GlobeCast and others have similar offers around the world.”

Hawley explained how IPTV from the telco and direct-to-consumer satellite (like Dish and DirecTV) can be collaborators or competitors at the retail level. “Large telcos traditionally try to deliver their full service range to all subscribers. Therefore, they partner with satellite providers in an effort to offer some form of TV to consumers — even those they can't reach via fixed-line. On the other hand, the independent telcos — those which serve rural areas and smaller cities and have built their own TV facilities and have done their own content acquisition — consider themselves in direct competition with direct-to-consumer satellite.”
Collaboration Options

“Another scenario is hybrid, where satellite is used to deliver multichannel (live) television and IP is used for on-demand video and broadband data,” Hawley said. “Clearly, this would involve collaboration between the satellite operator and the telco. An example of this in the U.S. is AT&T's Homezone.”

Hawley elaborated on the benefits of wholesale programming bundles delivered via satellite. “The advantage to telcos is that satellite transport may be less expensive than land-based transport. Also, the fact that the transporter has a centralized headend and has already secured the content deals to bring content at least as far as the local operator. Even if the operator has to secure the content deals to bring programming from its own facilities to the consumer, this can still speed the local operator's time to market.”
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Around the corner as in 5 years for most metropolitan areas and longer than that for rural areas and many small towns. Wireless is also more likely to have caps that could put a real dent in using it for video.

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»reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_7-10···-51.html

Uhhh, no.. 4G LTE will run on the now sold 700mhz band that SD TV ran on. You do remember those huge 1000ft antenas for the local tv station right? Well those 1000ft antennas are going to be the same ones used for 4G. That's why the wireless companies such as Verizon are paying BILLIONS of dollars to get those frequencies. Because the signal goes along way and can penetrate walls and buildings. Get it..

This also means that wireless cell companies no longer need hundreds of antennas for an area to cover they only need a few to cover the same area with the 700mzh band with 4G.

»reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_7-10···-51.html
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Yes, much better. We all know that Bush is the fascist.

Satellite TV will not die out. Too many people in rural communities rely on dishes as their only source for TV and internet. Cable and telephone companies are not going to move into rural areas unless government regulations force them to. So there will always be a market for satellite.
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