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Except how many sat users cannot get broadband, or good broadband to use these services.

With bandwidth caps implemented by various ISP's you won't be able to afford to use those sites for content.

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LOL.. Well at least I will be canceling my DishTV next month. But you are right the US does not have the bandwidth to support 32 million viewers across the U.S. of A.. We only have to blame our selves for being in the lower tiers of bandwidth in the world. However no matter how you cut it, Sat TV is going to diminish or die a slow death in the near future. Just like home phone service is right now. With users only paying for cell service. Oh and that industry is going to have issues too when VoIP destroys the "Voice" portion of your bill.

I on the other hand have already made plans to cancel my Sat service.

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»www.dailyiptv.com/features/iptv-···-080807/

Will IPTV Outstrip Satellite TV?
And will the providers end up fiercely competing or playing nice?

David Cotriss

With IPTV operators such as AT&T offering multiplatform bundles that include content from satellite TV providers, one question becomes whether IPTV could actually surpass satellite in subscriber numbers or revenue.
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“In certain markets, IPTV subscriber numbers may equal or even exceed those of satellite,” said Richard Broughton, an analyst at Screen Digest. “However, there is a considerable difference between subscriber numbers and revenue. IPTV average revenue per customer is roughly half that of satellite in Europe — IPTV simply does not have the premium content at the moment and is for the most part not even looking to compete with satellite. While the services are not precisely complementary, there is generally only a slight overlap of the targeted customer groups.”

Broughton went on to explain some of the penetration figures. “Satellite penetration varies from country to country but typically is between 10 and 30 percent of TV households. IPTV, by contrast, has reached just over 5 percent in France, the world's leading market in terms of subscriber numbers. Hong Kong is currently at around 27 to 30 percent but is a bit of an anomaly. Most countries have an IPTV penetration of less than 2 percent. The only countries where IPTV has exceeded satellite are where satellite is not widely available, like China, or has launched only recently, like in Belgium.”
The IPTV Advantage

Explaining some of the advantages IPTV has over satellite, Broughton said, “IPTV has the advantage in that it has a return path. This allows for more advanced services like VOD (video on demand), networked PVR (personal video recorder), games and so forth. Some satellite operators, like BSkyB, have found ways around these limitations but are still fairly restricted in what they can do. The disadvantage of course is that an area has to be connected up to a network to be able to receive IPTV and in many cases, this limits who can access the service — especially where next-generation ADSL2+, VDSL or FTTH (fiber to the home) connections are involved.”

Steven Hawley, a senior analyst at Multimedia Research Group Inc., explained some of the technical aspects of satellite/IPTV collaboration and how they could also be competitors. “There are two ways of looking at satellite and IPTV: as collaborators and as competitors,” he said. “At an aggregation or wholesale level, several satellite operators transport aggregated IP video streams (multichannel television) from a centralized headend and deliver it to local telcos. Large telcos use satellite transport to extend their reach to operations outside of urban areas. Small independent telcos bring this prepackaged TV down to a local headend, combine it with local programming and distribute it to consumers over IP access. An example of this is SES-Americom's IP-Prime service. Intelsat, GlobeCast and others have similar offers around the world.”

Hawley explained how IPTV from the telco and direct-to-consumer satellite (like Dish and DirecTV) can be collaborators or competitors at the retail level. “Large telcos traditionally try to deliver their full service range to all subscribers. Therefore, they partner with satellite providers in an effort to offer some form of TV to consumers — even those they can't reach via fixed-line. On the other hand, the independent telcos — those which serve rural areas and smaller cities and have built their own TV facilities and have done their own content acquisition — consider themselves in direct competition with direct-to-consumer satellite.”
Collaboration Options

“Another scenario is hybrid, where satellite is used to deliver multichannel (live) television and IP is used for on-demand video and broadband data,” Hawley said. “Clearly, this would involve collaboration between the satellite operator and the telco. An example of this in the U.S. is AT&T's Homezone.”

Hawley elaborated on the benefits of wholesale programming bundles delivered via satellite. “The advantage to telcos is that satellite transport may be less expensive than land-based transport. Also, the fact that the transporter has a centralized headend and has already secured the content deals to bring content at least as far as the local operator. Even if the operator has to secure the content deals to bring programming from its own facilities to the consumer, this can still speed the local operator's time to market.”
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Around the corner as in 5 years for most metropolitan areas and longer than that for rural areas and many small towns. Wireless is also more likely to have caps that could put a real dent in using it for video.

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Uhhh, no.. 4G LTE will run on the now sold 700mhz band that SD TV ran on. You do remember those huge 1000ft antenas for the local tv station right? Well those 1000ft antennas are going to be the same ones used for 4G. That's why the wireless companies such as Verizon are paying BILLIONS of dollars to get those frequencies. Because the signal goes along way and can penetrate walls and buildings. Get it..

This also means that wireless cell companies no longer need hundreds of antennas for an area to cover they only need a few to cover the same area with the 700mzh band with 4G.

»reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_7-10···-51.html
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Here's the point though. He thinks IPTV will replace satellite, but he forgot that you need an ISP to access those services. If there's no DSL and no cable, how will they connect to an IPTV service?

There are still huge gaps in cable and DSL coverage that only satellite can realistically cover. Unless the government mandates coverage for all areas satellite will still have a market.
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Yes that's today's business model. The next 4G business model will be different. It has to change and it will. The market is too competitive. You would be a fool to think that the next gen 4G network would be capped at 5GB. The times will change.

Imagine you pay VZW 1 wireless bill for EVERYTHING you use, IPTV, web, cell, ect. On top of that you will have multiple wifi devices on one account that will share one big data plan or individual plans. You will have 4G devices in your car(s), one dedicated to your home which is then distributed via 802.11abgn(?), your laptop(s) both wifi and air-card while on the go.

All a service provider needs to do is price it right. This includes bandwidth and any caps or restrictions.

The landscape is changing as we speak.

Lets not forget the enterprise benefits of this as well. I plan on buying 4G wifi for my enterprise connectivity needs as well. Weather it be for the main connection or as a backup to the T3.

Now where's my 700-800mhz 4G tester at?
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You are off a bit about how cellular technology works. They can't use 1000 ft towers to service large areas. The cell would be over saturated (not enough spectrum and bandwidth to go around) and many people would just end up with system busy messages. In urban areas they will actually need the same amount but then have to detune them. The new problem will become pilot pollution because the 700 carries a little bit farther than 850. It isn't much but enough that current spacing is a bit close but if they skipped every other cell the signal would carry that far. The issue is also transmit power of the tower and that of the mobile device. TV stations were broadcasting in many thousands of watts while cell towers and phones are limited to a very low wattage. To get the speed out of 4G the same towers are going to be used for the most part and the limiting aspect will be how much backhaul those companies can get in place.

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