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Topic 'Re: Cmon DTV' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370440 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:54:07 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:54:07 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22401325 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22401325 Sun, 17 May 2009 08:56:13 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22401044 said by me1212:

"satellite TV fails in 5-10 years" Not gonna happen unless cable gets to every house in America AND drops their price to satellite level. I would pay at LEAST $20 more a month if I had comcast(not that I can get it just saying) and the charge $7 for the first HD box and $13 for each one after that, well around here anyway(my grand parents were looking in to comcast HD) Dish $5 for each box.
The third box is $20 from Comcast.
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said by baineschile:

The fail will be that much more glorious when satellite TV fails in 5-10 years.

Heh. Replaced by what?
INFO Commercials. What else...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22394895 Fri, 15 May 2009 15:27:30 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22394871 said by josephf:

If Bush was a fascist, Obama is a Nazi.
So it is written so it is done... wait till all of these Terrorists Obama is releasing gives us a nice little payback. And I don't think it will be a Christmas Fruit Cake.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22394871 Fri, 15 May 2009 15:23:06 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22394848 said by jjeffeory:

OMG, Bush was the facist... Obama just wants us all to be in debt until the end of time.... They all suck!
Ya Obama says Everyone get out there and use your credit cards and buy more homes. Isn't that one of the main reasons the USA is going down the crapper??? Too much debit Americans have already. What kind of Idiots think spending more is going to make a stronger economy? Excuse me but in the 40's and 50's we got back on the right track when Big brother told us to save money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22394848 Fri, 15 May 2009 15:20:03 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22390744 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22390744 Thu, 14 May 2009 18:59:09 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22382361
Dish isn't going anywhere soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22382361 Wed, 13 May 2009 11:33:55 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22375928 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22375928 Tue, 12 May 2009 08:58:06 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22375423 said by spamd:

»reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_7-10···-51.html

Uhhh, no.. 4G LTE will run on the now sold 700mhz band that SD TV ran on. You do remember those huge 1000ft antenas for the local tv station right? Well those 1000ft antennas are going to be the same ones used for 4G. That's why the wireless companies such as Verizon are paying BILLIONS of dollars to get those frequencies. Because the signal goes along way and can penetrate walls and buildings. Get it..

This also means that wireless cell companies no longer need hundreds of antennas for an area to cover they only need a few to cover the same area with the 700mzh band with 4G.

»reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_7-10···-51.html
Trouble is, there's not enough 700 mHz spectrum available to accomodate everyone's broadband needs. Moving pictures take a TON of bandwidth-and you simply can't get away from this fact. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22375423 Tue, 12 May 2009 03:41:04 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22374229
Imagine you pay VZW 1 wireless bill for EVERYTHING you use, IPTV, web, cell, ect. On top of that you will have multiple wifi devices on one account that will share one big data plan or individual plans. You will have 4G devices in your car(s), one dedicated to your home which is then distributed via 802.11abgn(?), your laptop(s) both wifi and air-card while on the go.

All a service provider needs to do is price it right. This includes bandwidth and any caps or restrictions.

The landscape is changing as we speak.

Lets not forget the enterprise benefits of this as well. I plan on buying 4G wifi for my enterprise connectivity needs as well. Weather it be for the main connection or as a backup to the T3.

Now where's my 700-800mhz 4G tester at?
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Now you got it! lol
Seriously, we need something truly new. The two party system sucks. Everything is not a black and white issue. There are many shades of gray. We really need a government overhall and reduction. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22373302 Mon, 11 May 2009 18:47:46 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22373091 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22373091 Mon, 11 May 2009 18:05:04 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372798 said by spamd:

said by BF69:

except most sat users are like my friend that has direcTv because he lives out of town and has no option for cable. which of course means he has no option for internet. So if sat fails people like my friend won't be turning to hulu etc for Tv they will have no choice but to get TV OTA which severely limits what one can watch. I bet at least 1/3 if not MUCH more of sat subscribers don't have access to broadband.

Which wouldn't be a problem IF they had high speed internet access mind you. Keep in mind 4G is around the corner. 4G is and will provide these outlining areas with the speed they need. It's just a matter of time.
The only cell compnay with even 3G in my area is Verizon. And if they insist on their 5 GB monthly cap and $256 per GB overage then 4G is of no use for watching TV over the web.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372798 Mon, 11 May 2009 17:06:46 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372519 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372519 Mon, 11 May 2009 16:18:35 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372231
There are still huge gaps in cable and DSL coverage that only satellite can realistically cover. Unless the government mandates coverage for all areas satellite will still have a market.
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Satellite TV will not die out. Too many people in rural communities rely on dishes as their only source for TV and internet. Cable and telephone companies are not going to move into rural areas unless government regulations force them to. So there will always be a market for satellite.
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Uhhh, no.. 4G LTE will run on the now sold 700mhz band that SD TV ran on. You do remember those huge 1000ft antenas for the local tv station right? Well those 1000ft antennas are going to be the same ones used for 4G. That's why the wireless companies such as Verizon are paying BILLIONS of dollars to get those frequencies. Because the signal goes along way and can penetrate walls and buildings. Get it..

This also means that wireless cell companies no longer need hundreds of antennas for an area to cover they only need a few to cover the same area with the 700mzh band with 4G.

»reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_7-10···-51.html
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AND drops their price to satellite level. I would pay at LEAST $20 more a month if I had comcast It all depends on where you live. If I had sat tv, it would cost me at least $20 more a month, plus I would have to front the cost of 2 out of the 3 DVRs I have. No thanks. Around here the first HD box is included in the price, and then after that each HD box is $6, and that's for both cable companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372175 Mon, 11 May 2009 15:14:06 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372109 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372109 Mon, 11 May 2009 15:04:55 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372108 www.dailyiptv.com/features/iptv-···-080807/

Will IPTV Outstrip Satellite TV?
And will the providers end up fiercely competing or playing nice?

David Cotriss

With IPTV operators such as AT&T offering multiplatform bundles that include content from satellite TV providers, one question becomes whether IPTV could actually surpass satellite in subscriber numbers or revenue.
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“In certain markets, IPTV subscriber numbers may equal or even exceed those of satellite,” said Richard Broughton, an analyst at Screen Digest. “However, there is a considerable difference between subscriber numbers and revenue. IPTV average revenue per customer is roughly half that of satellite in Europe — IPTV simply does not have the premium content at the moment and is for the most part not even looking to compete with satellite. While the services are not precisely complementary, there is generally only a slight overlap of the targeted customer groups.”

Broughton went on to explain some of the penetration figures. “Satellite penetration varies from country to country but typically is between 10 and 30 percent of TV households. IPTV, by contrast, has reached just over 5 percent in France, the world's leading market in terms of subscriber numbers. Hong Kong is currently at around 27 to 30 percent but is a bit of an anomaly. Most countries have an IPTV penetration of less than 2 percent. The only countries where IPTV has exceeded satellite are where satellite is not widely available, like China, or has launched only recently, like in Belgium.”
The IPTV Advantage

Explaining some of the advantages IPTV has over satellite, Broughton said, “IPTV has the advantage in that it has a return path. This allows for more advanced services like VOD (video on demand), networked PVR (personal video recorder), games and so forth. Some satellite operators, like BSkyB, have found ways around these limitations but are still fairly restricted in what they can do. The disadvantage of course is that an area has to be connected up to a network to be able to receive IPTV and in many cases, this limits who can access the service — especially where next-generation ADSL2+, VDSL or FTTH (fiber to the home) connections are involved.”

Steven Hawley, a senior analyst at Multimedia Research Group Inc., explained some of the technical aspects of satellite/IPTV collaboration and how they could also be competitors. “There are two ways of looking at satellite and IPTV: as collaborators and as competitors,” he said. “At an aggregation or wholesale level, several satellite operators transport aggregated IP video streams (multichannel television) from a centralized headend and deliver it to local telcos. Large telcos use satellite transport to extend their reach to operations outside of urban areas. Small independent telcos bring this prepackaged TV down to a local headend, combine it with local programming and distribute it to consumers over IP access. An example of this is SES-Americom's IP-Prime service. Intelsat, GlobeCast and others have similar offers around the world.”

Hawley explained how IPTV from the telco and direct-to-consumer satellite (like Dish and DirecTV) can be collaborators or competitors at the retail level. “Large telcos traditionally try to deliver their full service range to all subscribers. Therefore, they partner with satellite providers in an effort to offer some form of TV to consumers — even those they can't reach via fixed-line. On the other hand, the independent telcos — those which serve rural areas and smaller cities and have built their own TV facilities and have done their own content acquisition — consider themselves in direct competition with direct-to-consumer satellite.”
Collaboration Options

“Another scenario is hybrid, where satellite is used to deliver multichannel (live) television and IP is used for on-demand video and broadband data,” Hawley said. “Clearly, this would involve collaboration between the satellite operator and the telco. An example of this in the U.S. is AT&T's Homezone.”

Hawley elaborated on the benefits of wholesale programming bundles delivered via satellite. “The advantage to telcos is that satellite transport may be less expensive than land-based transport. Also, the fact that the transporter has a centralized headend and has already secured the content deals to bring content at least as far as the local operator. Even if the operator has to secure the content deals to bring programming from its own facilities to the consumer, this can still speed the local operator's time to market.”
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except most sat users are like my friend that has direcTv because he lives out of town and has no option for cable. which of course means he has no option for internet. So if sat fails people like my friend won't be turning to hulu etc for Tv they will have no choice but to get TV OTA which severely limits what one can watch. I bet at least 1/3 if not MUCH more of sat subscribers don't have access to broadband.
Which wouldn't be a problem IF they had high speed internet access mind you. Keep in mind 4G is around the corner. 4G is and will provide these outlining areas with the speed they need. It's just a matter of time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22372029 Mon, 11 May 2009 14:52:06 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22371696 said by baineschile:

Just buy DISH already, and become the number 1 TV provider in the states.

The fail will be that much more glorious when satellite TV fails in 5-10 years.
and if they did that would the keep the "HD only" option Dish has? If I ever dumped cable for satelite dish's HD Tirbo is making me learn towards them. I mean if I have a HD tv why would I want to watch the SD versions of those channels? sure $10 for HD from DTV is cheap but when you had the $57 for all the SD crap you don't want then it's not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22371696 Mon, 11 May 2009 13:48:02 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22371672 said by spamd:

said by espaeth:

said by baineschile:

The fail will be that much more glorious when satellite TV fails in 5-10 years.

Heh. Replaced by what?

»revision3.com/
»www.hulu.com/
»www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/
»www.apple.com/appletv/
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV
»www.joost.com/
»iptv.tmcnet.com/
»www.vuze.com
»www.themediamall.com/

I could go on and on.
except most sat users are like my friend that has direcTv because he lives out of town and has no option for cable. which of course means he has no option for internet. So if sat fails people like my friend won't be turning to hulu etc for Tv they will have no choice but to get TV OTA which severely limits what one can watch. I bet at least 1/3 if not MUCH more of sat subscribers don't have access to broadband.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22371672 Mon, 11 May 2009 13:43:36 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22371185
I on the other hand have already made plans to cancel my Sat service.

"Another monthly bill bites the dust" R.I.P...
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said by MVP :

DishNetwork and DirecTV tried to merge in the past, but were denied by the government. However, they should try again after Sirius and XM were allowed to merge. Their argument was that the internet and other technologies give them too much competition that did not exist ten years ago. DishNetwork and DirecTV can say that the cable companies and telephone companies are now offering TV service, which they did not do ten years ago.

Sorry, the Bush administration is gone. Socialist Obama will nationalize Dish Network or bankruptcy auction it rather then let it merge.
There! I fixed it for you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22371075 Mon, 11 May 2009 11:44:35 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370837 said by spamd:

said by espaeth:

said by baineschile:

The fail will be that much more glorious when satellite TV fails in 5-10 years.

Heh. Replaced by what?

»revision3.com/
»www.hulu.com/
»www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/
»www.apple.com/appletv/
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV
»www.joost.com/
»iptv.tmcnet.com/
»www.vuze.com
»www.themediamall.com/

I could go on and on.You're not going to absorb the 32 million combined subscribers of DirecTV and Dish into Internet distribution. All of the options you listed above won't scale to 32 million simultaneous viewers; basic grade school algebra of 6-8mbps feeds across 32 million viewers dictates more simultaneous-use bandwidth than is possible to scale to in the next 5 years for certain.

In a decade when they figure out how to deliver terabit interfaces, maybe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370837 Mon, 11 May 2009 10:58:17 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370798 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370798 Mon, 11 May 2009 10:51:51 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370790 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370790 Mon, 11 May 2009 10:49:39 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370770 said by MVP :

DishNetwork and DirecTV tried to merge in the past, but were denied by the government. However, they should try again after Sirius and XM were allowed to merge. Their argument was that the internet and other technologies give them too much competition that did not exist ten years ago. DishNetwork and DirecTV can say that the cable companies and telephone companies are now offering TV service, which they did not do ten years ago.
Sorry, the Bush administration is gone. Facist Obama will nationalize Dish Network or bankruptcy auction it rather then let it merge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370770 Mon, 11 May 2009 10:45:24 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370756 said by espaeth:

said by baineschile:

The fail will be that much more glorious when satellite TV fails in 5-10 years.

Heh. Replaced by what?
»revision3.com/
»www.hulu.com/
»www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/
»www.apple.com/appletv/
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV
»www.joost.com/
»iptv.tmcnet.com/
»www.vuze.com
»www.themediamall.com/

I could go on and on.
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The fail will be that much more glorious when satellite TV fails in 5-10 years.Heh. Replaced by what?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370730 Mon, 11 May 2009 10:36:57 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370637 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370637 Mon, 11 May 2009 10:18:54 EDT Re: Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370510 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cmon-DTV-22370510 Mon, 11 May 2009 10:07:35 EDT Cmon DTV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Cmon-DTV-22370440
The fail will be that much more glorious when satellite TV fails in 5-10 years.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Cmon-DTV-22370440 Mon, 11 May 2009 09:34:55 EDT