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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/129458"><b>KrK</b></A> : That's not the point tho TK.  The company can save money by not deploying their workers--- and they are willing to pass some of the savings onto you.<br><br>I know a lot of people who would dig their own trench to save $400 in install charges.<br><small>--<br>"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 10:00:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/850183"><b>wentlanc</b></A> : Yeah... because burying a non-electrical line several feet <u><b>above</b></u> any hazardous gas and electric lines is really such a big deal?! Home depot sells a purpose built trenching tool for about $9. It's called a shovel. It saves the company a person running equipment, drive time, gas, etc... Not to mention it could save the consumer some money.<br><br>Are you really just opposed because a corporation would give up that line of revenue, and possibly affect the stock price?<br><br>You really do think that all consumers are just stupid, and we should trust companies to tell us what is best for us, don't you?<br><br>cw]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 09:31:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1051950"><b>Thespis</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Core0000 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1549130"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Listen I don't need someone to dig a hole for me, I have been digging holes since I was a kid. Digging holes and burying things..  </div>As my dad used to say as he sat in the pickup watching me dig, "The world's greatest ditch has never been dug".<br>Whatever that means...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 07:22:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1549130"><b>Core0000</b></A> : Listen I don't need someone to dig a hole for me, I have been digging holes since I was a kid. Digging holes and burying things.. I excel at it, well if the number of spankings are anything to go by. XD<br><br>The utilities thing is important, but state side we have a number you can call.. (although I forget what it is right off the top of my head.. )<br><br>Anyways, common sense will go along way.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 05:50:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/173687"><b>jmn1207</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Tsume <A HREF="/useremail/u/958344"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  andyross <A HREF="/useremail/u/807511"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I hope you are joking. By calling a marking service (here in Illinois outside of Chicago, it's J.U.L.I.E) and you hit something that is NOT marked, they take responsibility. If you hit something and didn't have the area marked, you can be fined and sued.<br> </div>I'm pretty sure he was pointing out how stupid it was of Verizon to have used (likely illegal) untrained day laborers who couldn't speak the language and didn't call before they dug.<br> </div>There was no need to call before they dug.  The survey had been done a week before, and the backyard was all marked-up with paint.  I did want to let it be known that I would be keeping my POTS line for the phone and my FiOS fiber for internet and TV.  Trying to explain this to the digging crew was more difficult than the King of the Swamp Castle trying to get the guards to keep the prince from leaving the Tall Tower in Monty Python's "Holy Grail".<br><br><i>"Look Alex (Erbert!), ummm, Erbert, it's really quite simple.   Just make sure that when you install the fiber that you don't disconnect the copper.  Got it?"</i><br><br>It didn't help to have an unmarked van pull up with a bunch of strangers walking around to the back of the house.  They did ring the doorbell, but by the time I got to the door they had already moved on to the back and left a note on the door...a generic FiOS note, not something written by the installers/diggers.  I guarantee the people that hung the FiOS sign could not read what it said, which is obviously not an issue a majority of the time, otherwise Verizon would not conduct their business in this manner.<br><br>I'm a customer, and I don't like it.  Just something to think about.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:09:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1248858"><b>FiL</b></A> : the hell did we need to know non-English speakers came out? lol.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:10:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/771619"><b>yabos</b></A> : Why do you need a backhoe?  My phone line is buried about 6" deep.  There's no reason you have to dig so deep for a fiber line.  The only reason gas and electric lines are down so far is because they're dangerous if you hit them.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:57:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1497946"><b>joe01880</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  OverModded <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is NOT a good idea. The ISP and/or their installation vendor have purpose built trenching tools that make very short work of laying a trench on customer property. Very few homeowners would have those tools. Also, how many customers will contact the One-call authority before digging, thereby exposing other underground utilities to damage. <br> </div>One would also need to make crystal clear perfect that the trench meets code for their area. You can bet that if you dig your own the vendor is going to have it inspected and if needed you best have a permit or your efforts were for nothing.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:59:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/958344"><b>Tsume</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  andyross <A HREF="/useremail/u/807511"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I hope you are joking. By calling a marking service (here in Illinois outside of Chicago, it's J.U.L.I.E) and you hit something that is NOT marked, they take responsibility. If you hit something and didn't have the area marked, you can be fined and sued.<br> </div>I'm pretty sure he was pointing out how stupid it was of Verizon to have used (likely illegal) untrained day laborers who couldn't speak the language and didn't call before they dug.<br><small>--<br>"Did you know that when one little panda pulls on another little panda's underwear, that's sexual harassment? That makes me a sa-a-a-a-ad panda." --Sexual Harassment Panda</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:13:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1486015"><b>halfelite</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Eat Me <A HREF="/useremail/u/693768"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Are you a carpenter?  Because you hit the nail on the head.<br><br>To trench and run the cable myself I will have to rent a backhoe or ditch witch for $600/day. Not to mention I'd either have to hire someone to do it or do it myself.  <br><br>Paying the utility $400 to do it is a bargain, especially since they'll get the job done right and be liable for any damage they do to other utilities.<br> </div>Were do you live. I can rent a diesel powered ditch witch for $200 with trailer included.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:01:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/164306"><b>Hpower</b></A> : LOL! Funny stuff hahaha "if it smells like a fart and then you explode, you hit a gas line" ahaahahhaahhaah<br><br>No but seriously, I wouldn't bother putting my own fiber lines. Rather have someone do it professionally and if they mess up, they can fix it themselves. No worries for you.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 12:56:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 12:16:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1464133"><b>a333</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jmn1207 <A HREF="/useremail/u/173687"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I just had an unmarked van pull up to my house the weekend before the scheduled install date with a crew of non-English speaking gentlemen with some shovels.  Real high tech stuff, I tell ya.  <br><br>Who needs to call before you dig?  If you get wet, you found a water line; if you get shocked, you found a power line; if it smells like a fart, you hit a sewer line; and if it smells like a fart and then you explode, you hit a gas line.  Oh yeah, and in my particular case, if the phones in your home lose their dial tone, then a telephone line was cut.  Hmmm?  Perhaps Verizon should have sent out a better trained crew after all?<br> </div>xDxD.... that was good]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:19:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1578024"><b>LJGoose</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jmn1207 <A HREF="/useremail/u/173687"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I just had an unmarked van pull up to my house the weekend before the scheduled install date with a crew of non-English speaking gentlemen with some shovels.  Real high tech stuff, I tell ya.  <br><br>Who needs to call before you dig?  If you get wet, you found a water line; if you get shocked, you found a power line; if it smells like a fart, you hit a sewer line; and if it smells like a fart and then you explode, you hit a gas line.  Oh yeah, and in my particular case, if the phones in your home lose their dial tone, then a telephone line was cut.  Hmmm?  Perhaps Verizon should have sent out a better trained crew after all?<br> </div>I laughed my ass off at this. I can't stop laughing.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:04:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/909330"><b>grcore</b></A> : Friend of mine was putting in a deck, called JULIE before augering the post holes.  Still hit the power line feed into the house (was just on the 18" limit of the marking).<br><br>ComEd came in and hand dug a new feed, for free.  Guy that came out said, if they get the marking done they don't bother charging you for the repair if you do hit the line anyway.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 10:43:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/239636"><b>tschmidt</b></A> : I disagree, think it is a great idea from vendor/customer cost saving and marketing perspective. I'm surprised DIY customer take rate is as high as reported. I would have thought once folks look at what it takes to bury the cable they would decide to let the vendor do it. Even if  customer decides not to DIY it's still a great way to defuse resistance to high one time construction cost.<br><br>When we built our home we were responsible for digging the trench and back filling with utility approved material. Phone company just dropped off a spool of direct burial cable. <br><br>I agree about the potential Dig-Safe (that is what we call it in NH)problem prior to digging.  <br><br>/tom]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 10:42:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/807511"><b>andyross</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jmn1207 <A HREF="/useremail/u/173687"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Who needs to call before you dig?  If you get wet, you found a water line; if you get shocked, you found a power line; if it smells like a fart, you hit a sewer line; and if it smells like a fart and then you explode, you hit a gas line.  Oh yeah, and in my particular case, if the phones in your home lose their dial tone, then a telephone line was cut.  Hmmm?  Perhaps Verizon should have sent out a better trained crew after all? </div>I hope you are joking. By calling a marking service (here in Illinois outside of Chicago, it's J.U.L.I.E) and you hit something that is NOT marked, they take responsibility. If you hit something and didn't have the area marked, you can be fined and sued.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/567879"><b>Kearnstd</b></A> : from my experience in tech support, most customers would call in asking how to use a shovel...<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 09:37:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/693768"><b>Eat Me</b></A> : Are you a carpenter?  Because you hit the nail on the head.<br><br>To trench and run the cable myself I will have to rent a backhoe or ditch witch for $600/day. Not to mention I'd either have to hire someone to do it or do it myself.  <br><br>Paying the utility $400 to do it is a bargain, especially since they'll get the job done right and be liable for any damage they do to other utilities.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 09:28:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/173687"><b>jmn1207</b></A> : I just had an unmarked van pull up to my house the weekend before the scheduled install date with a crew of non-English speaking gentlemen with some shovels.  Real high tech stuff, I tell ya.  <br><br>Who needs to call before you dig?  If you get wet, you found a water line; if you get shocked, you found a power line; if it smells like a fart, you hit a sewer line; and if it smells like a fart and then you explode, you hit a gas line.  Oh yeah, and in my particular case, if the phones in your home lose their dial tone, then a telephone line was cut.  Hmmm?  Perhaps Verizon should have sent out a better trained crew after all?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 09:25:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>OverModded</b></A> : This is NOT a good idea. The ISP and/or their installation vendor have purpose built trenching tools that make very short work of laying a trench on customer property. Very few homeowners would have those tools. Also, how many customers will contact the One-call authority before digging, thereby exposing other underground utilities to damage. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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