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Bill_G
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[WIN7] Windows 7 RC Collects Info About You

Windows 7 RC collects information about your computer, and what you use it for and sends it to Microsoft. below is a section from the privacy statement.

Microsoft may access or disclose information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the services; or © act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.

If you plan to use Windows 7 RC, and do any questionable file sharing maybe you should think about it a little more.

Privacy Statement Source: »www.microsoft.com/window ··· acy.aspx
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I imagine the owner of this web site might disclose information about you, in order to comply with the law (etc).

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The Privacy statement for Vista says the same thing.

»www.microsoft.com/window ··· ull.mspx

I suspect we could go back further in the OS evolution and see similar statements.

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Can you open up a packet sniffer & see what the OS is phoning home?
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said by rlocone:

Can you open up a packet sniffer & see what the OS is phoning home?
Mostly, that section appears to refer to what is communicated when you use some network-provided service. Think 'Windows Update' for example.

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Thanks for the replies.

Could this communication be blocked?
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Don't use those online services?
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said by Bill_G:

Thanks for the replies.

Could this communication be blocked?
I figure since there are many exploits patched in Windows, some exploits we don't know about may be intentional, some sort of back-door headed to Redmond or the NSA.

The Gov may have a deal worked out with MS under the ( Best Interests of Americans ACT )

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"Microsoft may access or disclose information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process"

I find this no different than a similar statement in your ISP's ToS. If your "questionable" filesharing includes sharing the latest and greatest pop artist via bit torrent your ISP and/or MS will disclose the information to law enforcement if called upon.

They're only covering their ass for your illegal activities.

From Comcast's ToS:
Conduct and information restrictions

*upload, post, publish, transmit, reproduce, create derivative works of, or distribute in any way information, software or other material obtained through the Service or otherwise that is protected by copyright or other proprietary right, without obtaining any required permission of the owner

*You expressly authorize and consent to Comcast and its suppliers cooperating with (i) law enforcement authorities in the investigation of suspected legal violations, and (ii) and system administrators at other Internet service providers or other network or computing facilities in order to enforce this Policy.

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So, what is new?

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said by Bill_G:

Windows 7 RC collects information about your computer, and what you use it for and sends it to Microsoft. below is a section from the privacy statement.

Microsoft may access or disclose information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the services; or © act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.

If you plan to use Windows 7 RC, and do any questionable file sharing maybe you should think about it a little more.

Privacy Statement Source: »www.microsoft.com/window ··· acy.aspx
All they're saying is that they will comply with the law if they are served with a warrant. Nothing new here. ISP's have similar wording in their TOS.
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You mean like every windows beta did? Like lots of software does?

Who cares.

Still do what i normally do does not effect anything.

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This same old crap, again.
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said by SunnyFL8:

said by Bill_G:

Thanks for the replies.

Could this communication be blocked?
I figure since there are many exploits patched in Windows, some exploits we don't know about may be intentional, some sort of back-door headed to Redmond or the NSA.

The Gov may have a deal worked out with MS under the ( Best Interests of Americans ACT )
Oh for god's sake, give it a rest.

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said by Bill_G:

Could this communication be blocked?
If you do the research and find out what communication is actually established, e.g. with packet sniffers as suggested above, I am sure you could device a strategy to prevent it.

Since this communication has not been proven yet, I doubt it can be blocked.

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said by Bill_G:

Windows 7 RC collects information about your computer, and what you use it for and sends it to Microsoft. below is a section from the privacy statement.

Microsoft may access or disclose information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the services; or © act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.

If you plan to use Windows 7 RC, and do any questionable file sharing maybe you should think about it a little more.

Privacy Statement Source: »www.microsoft.com/window ··· acy.aspx
My reply........So what. My system specs are in my sig. I review this site, and a few others. I view porn on occasion. Why should I really care what Microsoft knows about my viewing habits? Maybe they like my selection.

EDIT: maybe they have some better sites for my viewing pleasure, eh?

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The other day I went to the Windows 7 site (before I downloaded and installed it) and they have a few videos about the features of Win7. They did mention in one video that the Beta (not sure if the RC does) transmitted 'telemetry' back to Microsoft about the OS performance, presumably for instances when apps crash or do weird things.....

I could care less either way, but thought that was relevant to the discussion...

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Norton has it's community watch, many programs gather trails and send them. Just look for "would you like..."

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I understand why an ISP needs language like that, but why does an OS vendor have the same information. Does apple or LINUX have similar language in their agreements?
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said by AVD:

I understand why an ISP needs language like that, but why does an OS vendor have the same information.
My guess: because the OS vendor is providing a web service that you may use, and it doesn't want you to have a leg to stand on if you feel like complaining that Windows Update looks to see what is installed on your PC so that it can update it.

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What will Microsoft learn about me?

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you mean beta software phones home, what a shock.

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said by AVD:

I understand why an ISP needs language like that, but why does an OS vendor have the same information. Does apple or LINUX have similar language in their agreements?
Yea, standard stuff.
said by Apple Mac OS X 10.5 EULA :

4. Consent to Use of Data. You agree that Apple and its subsidiaries may collect and use technical and related information, including but not limited to technical information about your computer, system and application software, and peripherals, that is gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, product support and other services to you (if any) related to the Apple Software, and to verify compliance with the terms of this License. Apple may use this information, as long as it is in a form that does not personally identify you, to improve our products or to provide services or technologies to you.
»images.apple.com/legal/s ··· x105.pdf

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Here's a question: How many vista/7 users either bank or plan on banking online? Taxes?
How would you like it if this type of communication would be passed on to Redmond?
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How many users would like it if Vista or Windows 7 poisoned their dog?

There seems to be as much evidence for that...

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quote:
broadbandreports.com respects user privacy, in accordance with our Privacy Policy. broadbandreports.com may disclose individual account or user information in cases when we have reason to believe that disclosing this information is necessary to identify, contact or bring legal action against someone who may be violating broadbandreports.com Terms of Use or may be causing injury to or interference with (either intentionally or unintentionally) broadbandreports.com's rights or property, other broadbandreports.com users, or anyone else that could be harmed by such activities. broadbandreports.com may disclose or access account information when we believe in good faith that the law requires it and for administrative and other purposes that we deem necessary to maintain, service, and improve our products and services.
I would say that Microsoft's policy is much less draconian than what this site requires you to agree to.

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said by RadioDoc:

quote:
broadbandreports.com respects user privacy, in accordance with our Privacy Policy. broadbandreports.com may disclose individual account or user information in cases when we have reason to believe that disclosing this information is necessary to identify, contact or bring legal action against someone who may be violating broadbandreports.com Terms of Use or may be causing injury to or interference with (either intentionally or unintentionally) broadbandreports.com's rights or property, other broadbandreports.com users, or anyone else that could be harmed by such activities. broadbandreports.com may disclose or access account information when we believe in good faith that the law requires it and for administrative and other purposes that we deem necessary to maintain, service, and improve our products and services.
I would say that Microsoft's policy is much less draconian than what this site requires you to agree to.
But they provide different "services"

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So? Agreeing to have your personal data turned over to the police because you insulted someone on a message board here is a lot worse than anything Microsoft (or any OS maker) does.

Did you actually read that?

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said by RadioDoc:

So? Agreeing to have your personal data turned over to the police because you insulted someone on a message board here is a lot worse than anything Microsoft (or any OS maker) does.

Did you actually read that?
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Hmmmm

Saying Microsoft MAY access information about you doesn't mean that they will....

If they have a reason to cooperate with Law Enforcement for something that can be proven in a court to get a warrant for, I would expect Microsoft (or any company) to cooperate fully and use all means at their disposal to help facilitate that.

Now, if they want to see me going to this site, playing my online games that I play and surfing the net, just for the sake of being nosy, let em. I hope I don't bore them... at least until I look at my online porn collection....