KrK
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|  Assumptions....
"We assume slinging will be ok over 3G when AT&T ultimately releases an application that place shifts AT&T U-Verse content to iPhones using the exact same network."
You know what happens when you ASSUME.... 
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Matt
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| said by KrK  :"We assume slinging will be ok over 3G when AT&T ultimately releases an application that place shifts AT&T U-Verse content to iPhones using the exact same network."You know what happens when you ASSUME.... You know what though, I bet Karl's 100% right. I hate dragging out this term, but this is what Net Neutrality advocates need to stay focused on. If AT&T prohibits me from "slinging" my TV signal over 3G, but allows their U-Verse service to work over it, we have a huge problem. After all, I'm not even in an AT&T U-Verse (or DSL, or anything) service area and neither are millions of people.
I'll be interested to see how this plays out or if they change their tune when they migrate to LTE. |
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KrK
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| Absolutely, I agree... but I wouldn't go so far as assuming it will be so.... I'm betting someone will have to call them on it, and then they will have to face the fear of regulation, before they cave.
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| reply to Matt
Actually they said, large amounts of data.. this leaves the door open for them to place shift with U-Verse if their app uses 'less data'...
Sometimes I just wish Wireless internet access capability == wired internet access capability, open access to devices, cats and dogs sleeping together... |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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said by KrK : and then they will have to face the fear of regulation, your "assuming" the legislators have the best interest of the consumer in mind rather than the ATT. This just means that ATT will have to up their gratuity to the politicians who have proven that they don't have a clue on broadband matters! |
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psx_defector
join:2001-06-09
Allen, TX
| reply to Matt
said by Matt :If AT&T prohibits me from "slinging" my TV signal over 3G, but allows their U-Verse service to work over it, we have a huge problem. Different use of technology, different bandwidth requirements.
IF, and that's a big IF, AT&T decides to make an app, they certainly won't be dishing out the content from the user's home. There is a reason why the video NOC for U-Verse is in Kansas. And by NOT pushing out data from every single home, they can compress and shape the data better. AT&T will be able to push video content to the iPhone through 3G with considerably less bandwidth costs than Slingbox.
But no, let's go conspiracy theory instead. Never mind the streaming verbiage has been in the TOS since the beginning of time, it's just modified to better represent a technology that is coming up. Randall Stephenson is just laughing in his office in One Bell here in Dallas, rolling around in piles of ill gotten gains, deciding what to do once he takes over every phone company. I bet he's going to start ripping out all the fiber and forcing everyone back to copper, rotary dial, and Bertha at the CO will have to route calls again. |
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en102
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| reply to KrK
Its going to be a pay to play network.
AT&T and others are opening 'app stores' for a reason.
They can 'certify' applications for a network vs. a platform. This will be a crippling move for users, and money maker (on many fronts) for carriers.
Eg. Skype can run over 3G on Windows Mobile, but not for iPhone. Its not because it won't work, its because the carrier / app store agreed to not let it work.
The days of open applications are nearing an end. |
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Matt
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| reply to psx_defector
said by psx_defector :said by Matt :If AT&T prohibits me from "slinging" my TV signal over 3G, but allows their U-Verse service to work over it, we have a huge problem. Different use of technology, different bandwidth requirements. It's the 3G network they are worried about, not the users pushing 1Mbps across their wired backbone. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
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2 edits | reply to KrK
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We assume slinging will be ok over 3G when AT&T ultimately releases an application that place shifts AT&T U-Verse content to iPhones using the exact same network.
Karl, why are you assuming that this is even going to happen?
The U-verse set tops are not very powerful. They simply don't have the hardware needed to recompress the stream to something internet streamworthy on the fly. AT&T+Apple could offer a "TiVo to go" type service over the local network to pull shows from the DVR, transcode, and sync into the iPod. But sling-like live TV and DVR storage streaming over 3G/Wifi - I just don't see how that's going to happen with U-verse's current hardware.
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Matt
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| said by djrobx :Karl, why are you assuming that this is even going to happen? The U-verse set tops are not very powerful. They simply don't have the hardware needed to recompress the stream to something internet streamworthy on the fly. They don't need to. The stream is already MPEG-4 so all they need to do is lower the bitrate. |
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banditws6
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join:2001-08-18
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| reply to KrK
said by KrK :"We assume slinging will be ok over 3G when AT&T ultimately releases an application that place shifts AT&T U-Verse content to iPhones using the exact same network."You know what happens when you ASSUME.... Personally, I read Karl's assumption as sarcasm.
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psx_defector
join:2001-06-09
Allen, TX
| reply to Matt
They also care about people streaming crap from their houses. It's just more immediate with the 3G network.
They ain't about to allow streaming from home. If they decide to make their own streaming app for the iPhone, it's going to ride the U-Verse network from the tower. No one in their right minds would allow for such a large bandwidth hog if they didn't have a way to reduce costs. |
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Matt
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| said by psx_defector :They also care about people streaming crap from their houses. It's just more immediate with the 3G network. They ain't about to allow streaming from home. If they decide to make their own streaming app for the iPhone, it's going to ride the U-Verse network from the tower. No one in their right minds would allow for such a large bandwidth hog if they didn't have a way to reduce costs. Then why was the Orb streaming application, or any number of webcam streaming applications approved? The retail OrbLive application can do the exact same thing as the Slingbox. |
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jameswade
join:2001-12-09
Hot Springs, NC | reply to KrK
Pretty much the same thing at Verizon, TOS says no video, but then they sell their own VCast... |
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jameswade
join:2001-12-09
Hot Springs, NC | reply to Matt
In today's technology, that's a recompress... |
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Matt
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| said by jameswade :In today's technology, that's a recompress... What is? It helps if you quote what you're replying to. |
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jameswade
join:2001-12-09
Hot Springs, NC
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| said by djrobx :
Karl, why are you assuming that this is even going to happen?
The U-verse set tops are not very powerful. They simply don't have the hardware needed to recompress the stream to something internet streamworthy on the fly.
Matt said -They don't need to. The stream is already MPEG-4 so all they need to do is lower the bitrate.
said by Matt :said by jameswade :James Wilson said - In today's technology, that's a recompress... What is? It helps if you quote what you're replying to. |
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Matt
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| said by jameswade :said by djrobx : Karl, why are you assuming that this is even going to happen? The U-verse set tops are not very powerful. They simply don't have the hardware needed to recompress the stream to something internet streamworthy on the fly. Matt said -They don't need to. The stream is already MPEG-4 so all they need to do is lower the bitrate. said by Matt :said by jameswade :James Wilson said - In today's technology, that's a recompress... What is? It helps if you quote what you're replying to. No recompression is required, the streaming bitrate can be lowered on the fly. |
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH
| Matt,
SLING can vary bitrates on the fly but what the OP is trying to state here is that the Uverse boxes can not. They would require dedication compression/encoding hardware (like sling has). You can't just take an Mpeg4 stream and "lower the bitrate" without transcoding/recompression. |
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psx_defector
join:2001-06-09
Allen, TX | reply to Matt
Probably because they don't suck down the bandwidth like Sling does. 512Kbps spread over a bunch of people per tower does not equal happy usage for all. I'm not familiar with Orb, but I would bet the bandwidth necessary for use is much smaller. |
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