DampierPhillip M Dampier
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Rochester, NY | Verizon Won't Mess With Upstate NY Verizon will leave upstate New York service areas alone. Already some of the most rural sections of the state are served by independent telcos (Frontier being a major one), plus Verizon made it clear where it doesn't make sense to deploy a traditional FTTH network, they can engineer a hybrid approach with a mix of fiber, coax, or copper. Verizon already offers DSL in most of their smaller markets in NY.
When you look at where they did dump smaller towns overboard, those weren't originally Verizon service areas all along, and many were simply too challenging and not worth the effort to invest in, with enormous swaths of ultra low populations spread over vast distances.
New York, even upstate, isn't super rural in the western half, and the upper middle is sprinkled with independent players anyway.
As I've written on stopthecap, Verizon dumping rural customers overboard to Frontier assures we're well on the way to having 21st century vs. 20th century broadband in this country. The former in urban areas, the latter in suburban and rural. Frontier will not dig deep to invest in fiber even in Rochester (it would make their financials look bad), so they certainly aren't going to do it in upper Washington, West Virginia, or farm country Indiana. |
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2 edits | They've considered offloading NY State in the past, and given the tax cuts and debt relief they got when they booted New England to Fairpoint, I wouldn't rule anything out. New York, even upstate, isn't super rural in the western half, and the upper middle is sprinkled with independent players anyway. Well, the North-Western Buffalo/Rochester half. It's pretty damn rural from Allegheny eastward, and cities like Binghamton certainly aren't going to be on their priority list. But yeah, I bet cities like Bingo could be the lucky recipient of AT&T style FTTN half-assery. |
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and like i've said, your blog makes you right how? The only thing you say its what you think and feel.
As far as Frontier or even FairPoint assures us to have a 21st century to a 20th century broadband is full of shit. Some of the areas if not most will never see anything except DSL if they have that available. There is only so much you can do with DSL to start off with and it doesn't upgrade very easily. Especially since its limited on distance (but you should know that since you write a blog).
These areas won't see anything but ADSL maybe ADSL2+ but I doubt that even. VZ is just cherry picking and more areas will go. |
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I live in upstate NY. What I consider to truly be upstate (as in straight north of the southern part of the state. Anything off axis north and south to me is Western NY.
Anyway, I live in an area Verizon has chosen to neglect. Not even slow DSL! Most Verizon employees seem to be arrogant, overworked, and could not give a rat's ass. I was practically assaulted by an older burned out field tech who was on overtime. After I calmed him down he spilled the beans about how VZ really feels about "upstate NY". They REALLY don't care. They have taught me to HATE them as they squeeze every possible penny out of me for nothing other than basic phone service. Charter is my local cable co and they offer only basic cable to their 25,000 customers because FairPoint holds territorial access rights to cable deployment and FP holds Charter over a barrel.
This is all significant because in a situation like mine (and I know I'm far from unique) we have a duopoly in collusion as far as even 20th C deployment. And I ain't even in the boonies!
A situation like this forces rural people into a couple hundred extra dollars a month for inferior connectivity. According to a recent BBC report 52% of NYS residents have NO access to the net.
In my opinion VZ should not get a penny of stimulus aid to develop anything other than ensuring that their rural holdings are serviced first.
I've never disliked any service provider as much VZ. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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Re: Verizon Won't Mess With Upstate NY said by Buddha_goo :
Charter is my local cable co and they offer only basic cable to their 25,000 customers because FairPoint holds territorial access rights to cable deployment and FP holds Charter over a barrel.
LOL
How? Video franchises are municipality based in NY state, telco franchises are state based. |
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