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| The people should actually be thanking Frontier for wanting the service areas. VZ doesn't want them and would rather see them rot. Hell they'd rather pull the plug all together if they could.
I don't see what the big issue of being sold to someone else. If the other provider is willing to give it a shot then they should be given that option without everyone having a big fit about it. Especially the damn Unions who cry about every damn thing. In FL they cry because VZ is taking the money away from the POTS networks and giving it to the FiOS network and they're unable to do their job but when someone wants to come and show they can do it they cry about that. |
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1 edit | said by hottboiinnc:The people should actually be thanking Frontier for wanting the service areas. VZ doesn't want them and would rather see them rot. Hell they'd rather pull the plug all together if they could. I don't see what the big issue of being sold to someone else. If the other provider is willing to give it a shot then they should be given that option without everyone having a big fit about it. Especially the damn Unions who cry about every damn thing. In FL they cry because VZ is taking the money away from the POTS networks and giving it to the FiOS network and they're unable to do their job but when someone wants to come and show they can do it they cry about that. We'll see what happens I guess. |
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| yah it will be approved and everything will go one.
if you have VZ now id get rid of their email addresses since it will change as well. |
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| said by hottboiinnc:yah it will be approved and everything will go one. if you have VZ now id get rid of their email addresses since it will change as well. I already did that over a year ago. So no sweat. |
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DolganPremium
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I don't see what the big issue of being sold to someone else. If the other provider is willing to give it a shot then they should be given that option without everyone having a big fit about it. Especially the damn Unions who cry about every damn thing. In FL they cry because VZ is taking the money away from the POTS networks and giving it to the FiOS network and they're unable to do their job but when someone wants to come and show they can do it they cry about that.
Once again, the Unions are not crying about anything--they are trying to inform the public why their POTS service has gone downhill. Pretty hard for anyone to "show they can do it", when the cause of the issues are not enough money in the budget for basic line maintainence, and a field force reduction of almost 50% in most markets served by VZ. Can not tell you how much fun it is being yelled at by customers everyday when you have to tell them that it will take 3-10 days to repair their out of service condition. It is even more fun when you talk to the same customer 4 times within the same month, for the exact same issue...and find out it is due to a "Temp Cable" that has been lying on the ground for 4 years, and there has been no money in the budget to fix it.
There are several reasons to despise a sale to Frontier:
1] Untill TWC got hammered for the caps they were rolling, Frontier was planning to implement a 5GB monthly cap on their DSL service.
2] Frontier has a very limitied backhaul network, and routing issues are a concern
3] As a smaller ILEC they are less regulated than the RBOC's and have been known to gouge customers worse than Verizon.
4]They have been even more aggressive than Verizon in their dismantling of their unions--a very important issue to current craft workers.
5] The last 2 sales of VZ assests has led to bankruptcy for Hawaiian Tel, and a soon to be filed bankruptcy for Fairpoint.
You really need to stop talking out of you arse hottbonic when you have no clue as to what is happening and why things are being done. |
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| yeah but why let the facts get in the way of a good argument? |
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| You can't tell me you don't have the money to put a cable in the ground? I CALL BULL SHIT! have you heard of a shovel? I suggest you go buy one?
Like i said it's the Unions. They want free health care because they "should have it and are entitled to it". You aren't entitled shit in this country except your basic rights, and one of them does NOT include a Union.
But in states that actually do something about lines being out for 10days actually do something about. Like Ohio. We have our own private group that takes care of that. They're not even part of the PUC and has the right to fine ATT and VZ for not fixing the problems. |
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said by zoom314:Verizon is a regulated Utility here in California for their landlines, I imagine the CPUC will get quite a few complaints/calls about this as word spreads. The CPUC is pretty worthless as a regulator.
And while POTS is still "subject to" their oversight, DSL is not, and they're rapidly trying to shed all responsibility.
If you need service on your VZ line, either deal with from the bottom up, flagging down a tech on the street (they are somewhat paranoid about losing their jobs), or from the top down - write Seidenberg in New York. Don't bother with the hand-wringers in Sacramento.
I'm not a cheerleader for TWC, but my extended family has been happy with their digital voice offerings in place of Verizon or AT&T. For the amount of misery one experiences with Verizon billing or AT&T dialtone, I'm becoming more inclined to switch rather than fight the detailed billing battle every month of the year. |
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said by hottboiinnc:You can't tell me you don't have the money to put a cable in the ground? I CALL BULL SHIT! have you heard of a shovel? I suggest you go buy one? Like i said it's the Unions. They want free health care because they "should have it and are entitled to it". You aren't entitled shit in this country except your basic rights, and one of them does NOT include a Union. You seem to be a historical revisionist. The reasons why Unions were offered health care in the first place was to offset a wage increase that was being demanded at the time. Unions actually secured health care benefits for most Americans by having companies offer them just so workers wouldn't organize. The threat of collective bargaining can be just as persuasive as a Union itself. Weekends...forty hour weeks....do you actually think these would be offered by compassion from these companies?
Your "competition" template will have everyone competing for third world wages. Manufacturers have blamed Unions for all of their woes, and used that as an excuse to plant themselves in China, where they can pay workers $1 an hour.
Besides bitching...what have you done to aid the American worker? |
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It's better the Devil We know, Than the Devil We don't know.
Also I've been a TWC customer, While their Customer Service is/was better than VZ lame attempt, I had less trouble with VZ than I did with TWC, So I'm happy with VZ.
But then I've been told by VZ people over the phone that My modem and/or router don't work, I'm still using both and with DHCP, But I did get a new DSL modem for Free, So I have a backup, At least VZ isn't SCE, As everytime the Wind gusts to 45mph or more, Out the power goes and no one has fixed that yet. |
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You can't tell me you don't have the money to put a cable in the ground? I CALL BULL SHIT! have you heard of a shovel? I suggest you go buy one?
Once again you have inserted your foot into your mouth. The cable in question, along with thousands of other sections, can not be buried without budget approval--that decision rests with upper level management, not the union. The techs would love to do proper maintainence to ensure better network reliability but their hands are tied. Maybe if you worked in Telco, or were well read upon the subject, you might understand how the decisions get made--along with who makes them.
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Like i said it's the Unions. They want free health care because they "should have it and are entitled to it". You aren't entitled shit in this country except your basic rights, and one of them does NOT include a Union.
Actually the right to organize a Union is protected by US Labor Law. Furthemore, if the Employee Free Choice Act passes it will make it even easier to organize unions.
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But in states that actually do something about lines being out for 10days actually do something about. Like Ohio. We have our own private group that takes care of that. They're not even part of the PUC and has the right to fine ATT and VZ for not fixing the problems.
Your 3 for 3 in youre last post--all wrong. PUCO is the body that levies fines on the ILECS. There may be an outside investigative body, but the final decision rests with PUCO. The current regulation in OH is if OOS > 72hrs, the customer qualifies for a free month of service and daily credits for each 24hr period past that. There are plenty of rural OH towns were I quoted 1 week+ OOS, and people accepted it as normal VZ practices. The $500,000 fine PUCO levied on Verizon in 2007 was applied in 2008, even though VZ had been given 12 months to fix the issues that led to the fine and chose not to do so. |
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| If the unions would demand totally free healthcare you would have the budgets you need.
also the OCC can and does impose fines as well. Those that the PUC gives are nothing and are given back in the forms of giving VZ and ATT what they want.
But you wouldn't know that since you don't live here, and wouldn't care since you work for the ILEC.
And no i didn't open my mouth to insert my foot. You're just blind about how it works. And i worked the the Telcom field- Union employees don't do shit. They leave it to the piss-ones to do the work and make sure its working. |
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If the unions would demand totally free healthcare you would have the budgets you need.
Utter BS. Cut the Exec's compensation and dividends if you want real savings. All of the RBOC's went to minimal line maintainence after the 1996 Telecom Reform Act, as a way to stop the CLEC's from benefiting from improved line quality/service, and overall network quality has suffered as a result. Also, most of the CLEC's and LD Carriers that came about after the the Act are now gone.
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also the OCC can and does impose fines as well. Those that the PUC gives are nothing and are given back in the forms of giving VZ and ATT what they want.
There are no rules/regulations from the Ohio Commerce Commision that have ever been brought to my attention from my time at SBC/Ameritech and Verizon. All the regulations that we recieved were handed down by Public Utilities Commision of Ohio. Guess I missed that super secret meeting which handed regulatory authority to a second body in the state of OH.
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But you wouldn't know that since you don't live here, and wouldn't care since you work for the ILEC.
No, I do not live there, but about 80% of my mother's side of the family lives in the greater Toledo area{Sylvania, Swanton, Maumee, Toledo, and Temperence, MI. Toledo is a dead town, and the only growth that has been occurring is along the outer ring of towns. The 2 block stretch around Mudhen's Stadium is all the downtown district has going for it. Once GM goes into bankruptcy, and the Transmission plant gets shutdown, things will become much worse for that entire area...not as bad as Wilmington, but bad enough. There is not enough diversification in the Greater Toledo Area to support the job losses. Know you like to blame the downfall of the Big 3 on the Unions--mainly the cost of their healthcare and pensions.
Can not understand why you fail to realize that is was not the Unions who made the decision to react slowly to the 1st oil crisis in the 70's. Once the big 3 reacted and started producing smaller cars, they were of inferior quality when compared to the Japanese vehicles that were coming out. The cars were not designed by Union employees, they were designed by management level teams. The Union workers do decide what parts are used in manufacturing the vehicles, and can not be held responsible for design flaws that cause vehicle recalls.
The Executives at the big 3 had become complacent, and thought that no one else could beat them at the game that was created in Detroit. They are responsible for the decisions that led the comapnies to their present state. Pretty ironic that the golden parachutes of the people who created the mess are protected, while the union memebers pensions will be completely destroyed in the bankruptcy filings. The company became too top heavy, and those at the top became too greedy.
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And no i didn't open my mouth to insert my foot. You're just blind about how it works. And i worked the the Telcom field- Union employees don't do shit. They leave it to the piss-ones to do the work and make sure its working.
That's why Charter has been using contractors to cut their lines over to underground, while Verizon has been/is using CWA Local 4671 Techs to do their work here in Sun Prairie, WI. Verizon turned a healthy profit last year, while Charter is in the midst of filing for bankruptcy. Guess Union laborers, who perform the own work, are better for the long term health of a company afterall. |
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