Allanxxx
@pacbell.net
| reply to madylarian
Re: Hotmail hacked?
I don't think it would be too much effort for the hotmail servers to filter out anything going into or from a particualr site once it's confirmed that the site is going through illegitamate means and spamming (or is it more difficult than I think?).
I wonder as users if there's anything we can do to return the favour and spam that particular website or somehow bring it down.
-Allan |
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Oleg
Bellsouth Fastaccess
Premium
join:2003-12-08
Birmingham, AL | reply to madylarian
Never click links or open e-mails from sender you don't know. |
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Bootboiler
join:2009-06-24
Santa Cruz, CA
| reply to madylarian
Below is a header from one last night, on my honey's computer, it sent a copy to her, this is the header from that. email addresses are modified. pw was easy, 9 char, two words that go together, like blackbear.
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTE7YT0wO0Q9MDtTQ0w9NA==
X-Message-Status: n:0
X-SID-PRA: Sue Heydt
X-SID-Result: Pass
X-Message-Info: jXuon5/YRm7j6Wz7om5I0k16g1jYmgsHoDxodSuOyCjR+sih+02LOegNdHHqmB8i6N99mMKaZ+m/IznqGFxsKJVEGEfRxaDh
Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.173]) by bay0-imc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444);
Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:47:34 -0700
Received: from BAY101-W3 ([64.4.56.103]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:47:24 -0700
Message-ID:
Return-Path: su####er@hotmail.com
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="_3dacc8f9-3e70-43e4-a5e5-d53b87b993f4_"
X-Originating-IP: [123.123.130.26]
From: Sue Heydt
Subject: RE:hi
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:47:23 +0000
Importance: Normal
MIME-Version: 1.0
Bcc:
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2009 02:47:24.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A511710:01C9F476]
--_3dacc8f9-3e70-43e4-a5e5-d53b87b993f4_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear potential partner,
Do you need famous brand of electronic products with original quality and international warranty? Do you want to start your own business career for money making ?
What ever you are a small personal business or largest wholesale entity we also can provide your support to be our stable customers or agent.
We are largest wholesale business on consumming electronic products between America&China, laptops, Digital camera Videos,GPS,cellphone,mp4,game console and many other electronic products.which market is mainly in Europe,America,south Asia,Australia and Southen America.
There is much profit for you if you are our stable customer or agent.
For more information please contact as bellow :
Address£ºN0.15,Haidian District shangdi information road Beijing ,China
Tel(Fax)£º+861081836757
phone: +8615101621070
MSN£ºsangefa-vip@hotmail.com
E-mail: sangefa@188.com
WEB : www.sangefa.com |
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bootboiler
@sbcglobal.net
| reply to madylarian
Below is a header from one last night, on my honey's computer, it sent a copy to her, this is the header from that. email addresses are modified. pw was easy, 9 char, two words that go together, like blackbear.
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTE7YT0wO0Q9MDtTQ0w9NA==
X-Message-Status: n:0
X-SID-PRA: Sue Heydt
X-SID-Result: Pass
X-Message-Info: jXuon5/YRm7j6Wz7om5I0k16g1jYmgsHoDxodSuOyCjR+sih+02LOegNdHHqmB8i6N99mMKaZ+m/IznqGFxsKJVEGEfRxaDh
Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.173]) by bay0-imc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444);
Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:47:34 -0700
Received: from BAY101-W3 ([64.4.56.103]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:47:24 -0700
Message-ID:
Return-Path: su####er@hotmail.com
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="_3dacc8f9-3e70-43e4-a5e5-d53b87b993f4_"
X-Originating-IP: [123.123.130.26]
From: Sue Heydt
Subject: RE:hi
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:47:23 +0000
Importance: Normal
MIME-Version: 1.0
Bcc:
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2009 02:47:24.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A511710:01C9F476]
--_3dacc8f9-3e70-43e4-a5e5-d53b87b993f4_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear potential partner,
Do you need famous brand of electronic products with original quality and international warranty? Do you want to start your own business career for money making ?
What ever you are a small personal business or largest wholesale entity we also can provide your support to be our stable customers or agent.
We are largest wholesale business on consumming electronic products between America&China, laptops, Digital camera Videos,GPS,cellphone,mp4,game console and many other electronic products.which market is mainly in Europe,America,south Asia,Australia and Southen America.
There is much profit for you if you are our stable customer or agent.
For more information please contact as bellow :
Address£ºN0.15,Haidian District shangdi information road Beijing ,China
Tel(Fax)£º+861081836757
phone: +8615101621070
MSN£ºsangefa-vip@hotmail.com
E-mail: sangefa@188.com
WEB : www.sangefa.com |
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MGD
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to NormanS
said by NormanS  :said by MGD :Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);I am presuming that line above does not mean that it was a true SMTP, like from an smtp client. My outbound hotmail sent via an SMTP client will not show in my "webmail" sent items. On the basis of the version number? Or the agent name? Just curious why you might think that 'Microsoft SMTPSVC(x.x.xxxx.xxxx)' would not be a "true SMTP", like from an SMTP client? Good catch, Now that you bring it up, I am curious why I made that statement too !. It is incorrect,
'Microsoft SMTPSVC(x.x.xxxx.xxxx)' will show up in the headers regardless of whether the email originates from within a local SMTP client or is sent via the webmail interface.
As you mentioned in another post mail sent via an SMTP client will not show in the sent items of the webmail interface.
Apparently in some cases the hackers are copying the victim's address book and then spamming via a n smtp application. I am not sure if some victims are reporting that the spam does show in their webmail sent items or not. What most do report is that their accounts are altered, either set in auto respond away mode (with a copy of the spam) or a signature is added to include the spam which then appears in all subsequent outbound mail.
I am presuming based on the sheer volume of this epidemic, that this process may be somehow scripted by the scammers.
There is not a lot of feedback coming from the support people that identifies what the modus operandi is. I am sure they have to know by now. I do not believe that all the accounts are password cracked, nor do I believe that they are all phished. There is some other angle at work here.
MGD |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to TearAbite
.JPG "39393 bytes")
Showing email sent from Hotmail to another account. | .JPG/thumb.jpg "24211 bytes")
Showing the Windows Live Mail view of sent Hotmail. | .JPG/thumb.jpg "23564 bytes")
Showing the Web view of sent Hotmail. |
said by TearAbite :After one of my wife's old hotmail accounts was sending out money requests to all of her contacts via Western Union for her "trip to nigera", i did some searching and found that it is indeed happening to a LOT of other people, beginning around January or so of this year. Which is, coincidentally, about the time that Windows Live Hotmail began to reintroduce free POP3 access (which used to be allowed before Microsoft bought Hotmail).
And email sent via 'smtp.live.com' will not show up in the "Sent Items" folder of either the Web mail view, or the HTTPMail client.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to MGD
said by MGD :Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);I am presuming that line above does not mean that it was a true SMTP, like from an smtp client. My outbound hotmail sent via an SMTP client will not show in my "webmail" sent items. On the basis of the version number? Or the agent name?
Just curious why you might think that 'Microsoft SMTPSVC(x.x.xxxx.xxxx)' would not be a "true SMTP", like from an SMTP client?
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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madylarian
The curmudgeonly
Premium
join:2002-01-03
Parkville, MD
| reply to avd706
said by avd706 :Do you use facebook or skype or other social networking service that looks at your contact list to match up other potential users? I do have MySpace and Facebook pages but there is no connection as I neither used the Hotmail address for them nor even allowed access to any contact lists or addressbooks.
mady
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Honi soit qui mal y pense |
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avd706
insert annoying animated gif here
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Union, NJ | reply to madylarian
Do you use facebook or skype or other social networking service that looks at your contact list to match up other potential users? |
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MGD
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to SnowyOne
said by SnowyOne :said by MGD :I presume they are using some script,... Absolutely. re 4 random letters combined with 4 random numbers isn't a hacker friendly combination by anyone's standards so my guess is it's not a mini brute force happening. EDIT to add: it's always nice to be agree with but there's a lot more profit to made with that type of processing power than hacking hotmail accounts. I was expecting to see a PW something like "letmeinnow!"  Agree, that is millions of combinations for one account, not a productive method. If they are not all phished then maybe this direction: »www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ha···aq=f&oq=
MGD |
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madylarian
The curmudgeonly
Premium
join:2002-01-03
Parkville, MD
| reply to MGD
said by MGD :Interesting... Do you routinely stay logged in to MSN while browsing the web, or is it set to auto log in. I am wondering how the MSN session id cookie behaves. I only check Hotmail (and my other junk accounts) once a day. I close the window but I don't log out. However I did let Firefox save the password, so I am not sure if that is what you mean about auto log in. That is, when I go back the next day I don't have to log on again. Is that what you mean?
mady
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SnowyOne
Premium
join:2003-04-05
Kailua, HI
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Clearwire Wireless
1 edit | reply to MGD
said by MGD :I presume they are using some script,... Absolutely.
re 4 random letters combined with 4 random numbers isn't a hacker friendly combination by anyone's standards so my guess is it's not a mini brute force happening.
EDIT to add: it's always nice to be agree with but there's a lot more profit to made with that type of processing power than hacking hotmail accounts.
I was expecting to see a PW something like "letmeinnow!" |
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MGD
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to madylarian
Interesting...
Do you routinely stay logged in to MSN while browsing the web, or is it set to auto log in. I am wondering how the MSN session id cookie behaves.
I know in the past a proof of concept with Gmail for example allowed a session login cookie to be hijacked and then used from another IP, though it was a complex process, that would appear to be way above this skill level.
I like SnowyOne 's potential scenario, there is an abundant supply of cheap labor There could be thousands gainfully employed testing pws 21/7.
124.135.246.67 does not show up on any listings, so I assume they are not spewing from that IP. Not a ptr on any IP in the route as soon as you hot the mainland:
MGD |
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madylarian
The curmudgeonly
Premium
join:2002-01-03
Parkville, MD
| reply to MGD
MGD: They may not have sent it from my account but they sent it to the first 5 people on my contact list. I did send the headers to abuse@hotmail but I am not holding my breath for an answer. I have a feeling that the answer to your other questions is in the WindowsLive Help Forums, if you want to wade through them.
mady
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MGD
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to SnowyOne
said by SnowyOne :Your account was accessed from China which is not a surprise. Since you've been able to change it, what was the hacked password? IM works too. I presume they are using some script, otherwise even if they were paying all those laid off Chineese workers to manually log in to every ones account, then it would still show up in the sent folder, if a webmail log in was used.
Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
I am presuming that line above does not mean that it was a true SMTP, like from an smtp client. My outbound hotmail sent via an SMTP client will not show in my "webmail" sent items. However in madylarian 's case they had to at least log in via webmail in order to hijack her address book.
MGD |
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madylarian
The curmudgeonly
Premium
join:2002-01-03
Parkville, MD
| reply to SnowyOne
The password was 4 letters plus 4 numbers. The letters didn't spell anything, were not scrambled letters of a word, not in alpha order and not in any proximity on a keyboard. The numbers also were not in any particular order.
mady
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MGD
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to madylarian
Interesting, it appears in that case that the original mail did not originate from your machine. Rather from an IP in China. X-Originating-IP: [124.135.246.67]
IP 124.135.246.67
route: 124.128.0.0/13
descr: CNC Group CHINA169 Shandong Province Network
country: CN
origin: AS4837
mnt-by: MAINT-CNCGROUP-RR
changed: abuse@cnc-noc.net 20060306
source: APNIC
person: ChinaUnicom Hostmaster
nic-hdl: CH1302-AP
e-mail: abuse@chinaunicom.cn
address: No.21,Jin-Rong Street
address: Beijing,100140
address: P.R.China
phone: +86-10-82993155
fax-no: +86-10-82993144
country: CN
changed: abuse@chinaunicom.cn 20090408
mnt-by: MAINT-CNCGROUP
source: APNIC
person: Data Communication Bureau Shandong
nic-hdl: DS95-AP
e-mail: ip@sdinfo.net
address: No.77 Jingsan Road,Jinan,Shandong,P.R.China
phone: +86-531-6052611
fax-no: +86-531-6052414
country: CN
changed: ip@sdinfo.net 20050330
mnt-by: MAINT-CNCGROUP-SD
source: APNIC
However I like to see the "X-Originating-IP" show up again in the first received line. This would be preferable, where the X-originating also repeats in the first line:
quote:
...
..
Received: from 111.111.111.111 by BAY105-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV;
Fri, 01 May 2009 13:58:56 +0000
X-Originating-IP: [111.111.111.111]
X-Originating-Email: [anyname@hotmail.com]
X-Sender: anyname@hotmail.com
Though in your case the foreign originating IP is substantiated by the fact that the mail is not in your sent box, which it would not be if it originated from IP 124.135.246.67 and was also sent sent via a script and not by going through an actual webmail login. So in your case your account credentials were used fom an IP in CHINA.
I wonder if there are other victims who do see the spam in sent items, or if they are all just reporting bounces.
MGD |
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SnowyOne
Premium
join:2003-04-05
Kailua, HI | reply to madylarian
Your account was accessed from China which is not a surprise.
Since you've been able to change it, what was the hacked password?
IM works too. |
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madylarian
The curmudgeonly
Premium
join:2002-01-03
Parkville, MD
| reply to MGD
MGD: I was finally able to change my password. I guess I should have known that Hotmail doesn't play nice with Firefox.
To answer your other questions, I did see those other threads and there was nothing in my sent folder, no signature (I don't think I ever made one), no vacation response, and no embedded spamvertising other than that added by Hotmail.
And, as a matter of fact, I DO have one of the emails, including headers, from someone in my contact list. They are the person who told me this had happened. I'll post the headers below, but with email addresses redacted. FYI, I am on Comcast as is the recipient of this spam.
Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0
Received: from PAOAKEXCSMTP01.cable.comcast.com ([10.52.116.30]) by
NJCHLEXCMB01.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
Fri, 8 May 2009 03:18:13 -0400
Received: from PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.118]) by
PAOAKEXCSMTP01.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
Fri, 8 May 2009 03:18:13 -0400
Received: from cable.comcast.com ([24.40.8.136]) by
PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
Fri, 8 May 2009 03:18:13 -0400
Received: from ([24.40.8.143])
by pacdcimi02.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503616.48522706;
Fri, 08 May 2009 03:17:49 -0400
Received: from ([65.54.246.76])
by pacdcedge01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5302275.EDGE;
Fri, 08 May 2009 03:17:48 -0400
Received: from BAY133-W11 ([65.55.138.46]) by bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com
with
Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
Fri, 8 May 2009 00:17:48 -0700
Message-ID:
Return-Path: xxxxxx@hotmail.com
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="_7480779a-6962-42dd-a54b-9ca742508180_"
X-Originating-IP: [124.135.246.67]
From:
To: , , ,
, ,
,
Subject: hi
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 03:17:48 -0400
Importance: Normal
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2009 07:17:48.0948 (UTC)
FILETIME=[17A0DD40:01C9CFAD]
X-esp: ESP=
SHA:
UHA:
BAYES:
SenderID:
DKIM:
TS:
SIG:
DSC:
TRU_embedded_image_spam:
TRU_phish_spam:
TRU_money_spam:
TRU_marketing_spam:
TRU_spam2:
TRU_medical_spam:
TRU_ru_spamsubj:
TRU_misc_spam:
TRU_adult_spam:
TRU_profanity_spam:
TRU_freehosting:
TRU_lotto_spam:
TRU_watch_spam:
TRU_urllinks:
TRU_scam_spam:
TRU_html_image_spam:
TRU_spam1:
TRU_playsites:
TRU_legal_spam:
URL Real-Time Signatures:
TRU_stock_spam:
--_7480779a-6962-42dd-a54b-9ca742508180_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--_7480779a-6962-42dd-a54b-9ca742508180_
Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--_7480779a-6962-42dd-a54b-9ca742508180_--
mady
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MGD
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to SnowyOne
Yes, they could run consecutive scripts after a wait time from multiple IPs and over time go through a load of passwords. I am not sure what the account lock out settings are for Hotmail.
They can also accrue the contacts in each account to provide a never ending pool of addresses. nwrickert 's phishing scenario is also valid, as I am sure they are not limiting themselves to a single vector. The issue for Live Help though is that there are such a wide range of victims that their error is just assuming that every compromised account report equals a victim who was conned out of their password or has an infected machine.
Many of the reports also describe an after effect of a malfunctioning account. Presumably the operation of sending spam to batches of a half dozen addresses at a time, and the addition of a spam signature is also a scripted event.
Though there are a considerable amount of similar reports over a long period, I do not see any reports of the known method of compromise, or detailed analysis. Clearly though, the purpose is identical, and the accounts appear "borrowed".
MGD |
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