sameshtdd
join:2006-01-04
Teaneck, NJ
| reply to patcat88
Re: doesn't mean anything
said by patcat88  :Swappable SIMs doesn't mean open devices. Verizon Wirless can block all IMEIs that don't belong to Verizon Wireless LTE phones. "Its illegal to have a non-Verizon Wireless LTE device on VZW LTE network since there is no proof the handset has passed E911 certification (and it has the FBI backdoor to silently read the GPS chip) and is FCC compliant, and no proof the handset is ADA compliant (FCC Rules), or it had a SAR test, or is UL Listed. All this means is that you can swap VZW branded LTE handsets and transfer your phone book legitimately without paying VZW to do so at a VZW store or with a Get-It-Now app (lets ignore PSTs and BitPim). Also if VZW doesn't monitor/patrol the IMEIs, people will be putting WAP and PDA data plans on their PCMCIA Aircards. How is this dissimilar to how GSM phones work in the US? Don't GSM phones that want to use US frequencies have to go through FCC testing? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by sameshtdd :How is this dissimilar to how GSM phones work in the US? Don't GSM phones that want to use US frequencies have to go through FCC testing? They usually do, just because they are unsellable at retail and Customs might get angry eventually. I remember many years ago before Verizon started ESN/IMEI locking, people importing 5 generations ahead CDMA phone from South Korea that were the kitchen sink into the USA. They had no FCC certification, no E911 (violate the roaming list and search for any technologically compliant network), no AGPS, and couldn't tune to PCS band (the phones did 800 mhz USA/South Korea and South Korea's unique 1700 CDMA band). All cellphone manufacturers and US carriers conspire to keep the best stuff out of the USA, so they can stretch out their ancient R&D even longer, and don't have to develop new patents and new features to stay competitive, kindda like a GM car. I remember a 7MP CDMA camera cellphone from South Korea (saw it in-person at a showroom, it had no service but was on and I played with it, even though its GUI was 90% korean), yet at the time 1MP was the most you could buy from Verizon or Sprint. No excuse other than profit. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
1 edit | We have this problem here because the cell phone companies like VZ don't want to give options. That's why they still have CDMA networks instead of GSM. If we all had GSM nothing would be a problem and they'd have to compete on price, and services offered the same as they do in the UK. You can go buy any phone and get a free SIM and away you go. If you don't like the company for what ever reason you already own an the phone you just gotta go to the next company and sign up.
ATT and TM are the only ones that know any better as far as using any phone as long as its unlocked.
But as far as LTE still being planned for launch here, one country has the network build and preparing to turn it on. »www.huawei.com/ |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
| Let's not misinform just for the sake of bashing Verizon. The UK is a small country, as are many others utilizing all GSM technology, and GSM buildout benefits from smaller coverage areas. In the early days where voice ruled, CDMA had the advantage over GSM of being able to handle many more devices with fewer cell sites, and fewer cell sites cost the company less to buildout better coverage. And you wonder why Verizon is the better network on average right now? These things can't be changed overnight, but I'm glad to see that the companies are eventually merging back to one technology in LTE. Choice is coming, but much like with everything else, the wait is always painful. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| VZW having the better network on average?!?! According to WHO? JD Power? Okay well if you think that about the UK then why are the cell companies in Canada then GSM? Every other country for the most part is GSM except the USA where we still use CDMA technology for everyone except 2 providers.
CDMA is an expensive technology and has outlived its lifetime. Instead of VZW and Sprint and Alltel banking their money on that and now waiting to build out they should have transferred everything to GSM.
ATT is the largest provider in the USA to be GSM and it works for them. It also works for T-Mobile. GSM also has better quality as far as calls.
We can also note that the US providers are also behind again. As to even TEST their LTE while Sprint is busy off building their network with Clearwire and other countries are busy building out their new networks as well. |
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vv1r3d
@centurytel.net
1 edit | said by hottboiinnc :Okay well if you think that about the UK then why are the cell companies in Canada then GSM? The reason Canada is GSM is because that is what the companies chose to do the main parts of the mega-cities, once you hit the rural areas you do not have reception at all. Look at coverage maps, they are terrible.
Also the largest carrier, Rogers, is an at&t affiliate, which means they want to be able to make money from roaming at&t customers (charge the customer a lot, charge at&t a little, they share the profits... etc). |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :VZW having the better network on average?!?! According to WHO? JD Power? Okay well if you think that about the UK then why are the cell companies in Canada then GSM? Every other country for the most part is GSM except the USA where we still use CDMA technology for everyone except 2 providers. CDMA is an expensive technology and has outlived its lifetime. Instead of VZW and Sprint and Alltel banking their money on that and now waiting to build out they should have transferred everything to GSM. CDMA the multiple access/cell splitting method is superior to TDMA (GSM). There is a reason why 3G GSM uses CDMA the multiple access method. IS-95/CDMA2000 is newer (early 1990s vs early 1980s) than GSM, thats why its better.
The only problem with CDMA2000 is the control freak carriers in the USA. CDMA2000 does use SIM cards ( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUIM ) if carriers want to. CDMA2000 does use Java ( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_PCS···osystems ) and open phones (any ESN works, eastern europe CDMAs I belive don't restrict phone choices) if carriers want to.
ATT is the largest provider in the USA to be GSM and it works for them. It also works for T-Mobile. GSM also has better quality as far as calls.
Call quality is subjective, on things like Vocoders. My and my friends opinion is dropped calls, and hearing someone elses conversation (crossed lines) on T-mobile GSM. When I call my GSM Tmobile friends, once or twice a month I get a totally different person for the same phone number, I hang up, call again instantly, and get my Tmobile friend. I've never had this happen, or ever heard of it on Sprint or Verizon.
We can also note that the US providers are also behind again. As to even TEST their LTE while Sprint is busy off building their network with Clearwire and other countries are busy building out their new networks as well.
What Clearwire network? Clearwire is on a death wish towards bankruptcy, burned 3/4 of its cash and only 2 wimax cities and 10 legacy never upgraded cities to show for it.
Clearwire has no backhaul, has no towers, and has no datacenters. The existing carriers have all of those, for them LTE is just slide in the card at the tower and an SQL Query to the database, and maybe time to order an upgrade for the loop from the ILEC or slide a new card in on the MW backhaul.
Even MetroPCS and Cricket are building faster than Clearwire. Pathetic. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Metro isnt building Cricket isn't either. They're just roaming or buying what they can. As far as your cross talk sounds like you have tower issues in your area. Never had any of that here in Ohio, Mi, PA or even KY with T-Mobile. Sounds like your area.
Clearwire has service areas they're just small and are slowly expanding but they will have their height and they'll take over.
As far as Clearwire going bankrupt, people keep claiming that about Qwest and Vonage as well. They're still around. Clear will still be as well. Remember Intel is a MAJOR backer of WiMAX and they won't let that go anywhere.
As for sliding in a card with LTE can you prove this? LTE doesn't even exist as far as servicing anyone. How do we know it works? |
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