All hail Metro in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22405629 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:49:30 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:49:30 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22411901 patcat88 :
said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

VZ and ATT can lobby all they want. Them buying the Alltel markets should be considered anti-trust. they already service those areas and have shitty service at that.

VZ/ATT would only be crying because they refuse to compete.
Yep.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22411901 Tue, 19 May 2009 14:29:08 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22410509 tiger72 :
said by PastTense5 See Profile :

said by tiger72 See Profile :

let's see:
Metro is perfect for those who don't travel, and talk/txt a LOT to friends and family. But the instant you need to travel outside of your metro, you'll either need to pay more, or you won't have service anyways.
You can get a cheap prepaid service for the times you travel, like Page Plus or Tracfone.
Not exactly convenient (different phone number, gotta copy your contacts over). Might as well just use the $.20/min roaming, even though that adds up very quickly.

Just seems to me that all of the hassle and up-front costs and extra fees make the "value" of Metro/Leap services very questionable.
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said by tiger72 See Profile :

let's see:
Metro is perfect for those who don't travel, and talk/txt a LOT to friends and family. But the instant you need to travel outside of your metro, you'll either need to pay more, or you won't have service anyways.
You can get a cheap prepaid service for the times you travel, like Page Plus or Tracfone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22408684 Mon, 18 May 2009 22:01:58 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22407410 hottboiinnc : 3 is better than nothing. and the companies they hold in common are:

Columbia Capital

M/C Venture Partners

Primus Ventures

VZ and ATT can lobby all they want. Them buying the Alltel markets should be considered anti-trust. they already service those areas and have shitty service at that.

VZ/ATT would only be crying because they refuse to compete.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22407410 Mon, 18 May 2009 17:16:44 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406688 patcat88 :
said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

MetroPCS, Revol, Cricket are all owned by the same companies. The SAME Venture Groups own them.
T Rowe Price, MHR, Vanguard, 3 out of 20.

»finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=LEAP
»finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=PCS

I disagree. Verizon/ATT will also lobby to make an anti-trust case if the unlimiteds merge and the new "anti-business/pro people" Obama administration will block it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406688 Mon, 18 May 2009 15:00:16 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406335 hottboiinnc : MetroPCS, Revol, Cricket are all owned by the same companies. The SAME Venture Groups own them.

Go look at Cleveland Unlimited and get the list of companies that hold stock in them and go look at their list of companies. All matches.

They just need to stop having them separate and merge and then start buying up smaller providers and moving them in. And they need to also start expanding in general. Boost really put a hurting on them as far as pricing goes. The CDMA flat rate carriers are losing when it comes to nationwide services and NOT paying roaming. Yes Revol and Metro and Cricket CHARGE roaming fees of $5 per month to use your phone on one of the partner networks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406335 Mon, 18 May 2009 14:00:00 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406109 wifi4milez :
said by patcat88 See Profile :

MetroPCS's roaming agreements are ONLY with OTHER SAME BUSINESS MODEL UMLIMITED urban-only carriers which means, ONLY Cricket, Revol, Pocket. So you get roaming in other cities, but the coverage is the same urban formula as in your home area.

MetroPCS does offer PAID 19 cents a minute roaming with Verizon/Alltel/Sprint/US Cellular/other 800 mhz CDMA carriers, but nobody in their sane mind would get MetroPCS for the purpose of roaming on an 800 mhz CDMA carrier.
I never knew that, but a quick check of their website shows that is indeed the case.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406109 Mon, 18 May 2009 13:12:04 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406058 tiger72 : let's see:
1. No subsidized handsets. That $450 blackberry that everyone else is selling for $99 + 2 year contract is $450 at metro. Hell, you can get a BB with any other carrier, cancel the plan, pay the ETF ($200) and STILL come out well ahead.
1a. High entry fee. Because there are no subsidies, even the free phones you get at every other carrier are better than the cheapest metro phones you'll be forced to pay for if you're really on a budget. UTStarCom? Kyocera? ZTE?
2. Limited coverage. No coverage in Seattle, New Orleans, Minneapolis, etc. Much less out of country. If you stay home and never travel, Metro is a good option. Want coverage between the cities? Good luck.
2a. 2 bands for normal service. You'll need to choose from the even more limited selection of CDMA AWS phones if you travel to or live in many cities. Not to mention, you have to have the higher $45/$50 plans if you want to travel to any of their extended coverage areas to boot.

Metro is perfect for those who don't travel, and talk/txt a LOT to friends and family. But the instant you need to travel outside of your metro, you'll either need to pay more, or you won't have service anyways.
The only reason I'd see why people would choose Metro over the paygo phones from the major carriers, or a contract from the major carriers is if you have bad credit. Otherwise, between the up-front costs, and the limited coverage, you're better off getting a cheap plan from a national carrier, or a paygo plan from a national carrier.
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"What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning."
-United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406058 Mon, 18 May 2009 13:01:52 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406056 patcat88 :
said by wifi4milez See ProfileFrom what I have heard, they have roaming agreements in place that cover most of the country. Regardless of what kind of customer they are targeting, they charge roughly half (if not less) of what the major wireless carriers charge. If they roll out some newer phones, I cant see why anyone would have allegiance to Verizon or ATT.
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MetroPCS's roaming agreements are ONLY with OTHER SAME BUSINESS MODEL UMLIMITED urban-only carriers which means, ONLY Cricket, Revol, Pocket. So you get roaming in other cities, but the coverage is the same urban formula as in your home area.

MetroPCS does offer PAID 19 cents a minute roaming with Verizon/Alltel/Sprint/US Cellular/other 800 mhz CDMA carriers, but nobody in their sane mind would get MetroPCS for the purpose of roaming on an 800 mhz CDMA carrier.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406056 Mon, 18 May 2009 13:01:23 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406032 wifi4milez :
said by patcat88 See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

MetroPCS is getting a LOT of press these days. If they keep expanding their market reach they could become a serious thorn in the side of the more established competitors.
MetroPCS only really steals customers from the poor (never travel, no credit rating) and from landlines (never travel, want something cheaper). Remember their business model is to be ultra urban. And why aren't you all shouting how MetroPCS is redlining everyone outside city limits?
From what I have heard, they have roaming agreements in place that cover most of the country. Regardless of what kind of customer they are targeting, they charge roughly half (if not less) of what the major wireless carriers charge. If they roll out some newer phones, I cant see why anyone would have allegiance to Verizon or ATT.
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When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
-Ronald Reagan-
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406032 Mon, 18 May 2009 12:53:26 EDT Re: lte??? what lte??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406021 me1212 : It ain't dead.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22406021 Mon, 18 May 2009 12:48:44 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405972 jhaygood86 : In Atlanta, MetroPCS covers not only the urban core, but also the suburbs (low density) and exurbs (mostly rural areas). In fact, coverage is better out here in the 'burbs than in ATL proper]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405972 Mon, 18 May 2009 12:36:57 EDT Re: lte??? what lte??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405961 anon : yeah okkkkkkkk like bill gates and larry page will give up just like that...aha....so who has more money?? sprint??? verizon?? or bill gates and the gang?? come onnnnnn...white spaces will choke out lte and wimax combined... mmm kay...you know it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405961 Mon, 18 May 2009 12:33:58 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405892 patcat88 :
said by Chaldo See Profile :

I liked that I saw metro PCs on the list, I wonder who will have a better lte network in this round AT&T or VERIZON.
Verizon, management/executives are less thrifty on capital expenditure than AT&T.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405892 Mon, 18 May 2009 12:18:24 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405882 patcat88 :
said by wifi4milez See Profile :

MetroPCS is getting a LOT of press these days. If they keep expanding their market reach they could become a serious thorn in the side of the more established competitors.
MetroPCS only really steals customers from the poor (never travel, no credit rating) and from landlines (never travel, want something cheaper). Remember their business model is to be ultra urban. And why aren't you all shouting how MetroPCS is redlining everyone outside city limits?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405882 Mon, 18 May 2009 12:17:18 EDT Re: lte??? what lte??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405874 patcat88 : Whitespace is dead.

A. Obama's campaign was bankrolled by the entertainment industry, which includes broadcasters.

B. It takes for one case of interference, or something going wrong, and a formulaic human interest story by the local TV news stations on how some poor man/family with children can't watch OTA TV the way they used to because of random signal going out which is "linked" to new experimental whitespace devices. That one story will get amplified by 24/7 cable news, Reuters/AP, mainstream media and bloggers, until there is a "grassroots effort" to ban the devices as being "pirate radio" and anarchy and dissolution of law and order.

C. What if people start to manipulate the GPS data being fed into the devices, or hack them for more tx power, faster speeds, etc? Nomadic whitespace base stations are even more dead than licensed whitespace base stations. If broadcasters have to pay to track down interference because the FCC doesn't have funds/time/etc to police whitespace users, that standing for a lawsuit and a permanent injunction.

At a certain point, no matter what you do, wireless and digital data and SNR and shannons law just don't cut it. If you don't want caps or speeds in the kbitps range, you need to have a tower at every intersection or traffic light. With that cost, FIOS/Fiber/Cable Internet is many times cheaper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405874 Mon, 18 May 2009 12:15:31 EDT lte??? what lte??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405769 anon : The future of all 4G (4th Generation Wireless) networks are unclear right now because the Whitespace Broadband technology is a game changer, but that has in the past failed when confronted with the reality of the slow pace of change in communications. Politically this time may be different, there is a lot of power behind the Whitespace Broadband and we should find out soon how fast the changes will happen. June 12, 2009..... I think is the date TV stations change to digital broadcast. this could make all 4G technology obsolete before it gets out of the box! Whitespace Broadband is so different it may some day be called 5G. I've been reading about the these changes for eight years starting with a Wired article titled "Broadband Cowboy" an article about DeWayne Hendricks a very smart guy with no education related to technology!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405769 Mon, 18 May 2009 11:59:45 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405767 wifi4milez :
said by VansHSI See Profile :

Ahh yes the broad support of MetroPCS will surely surge the subscriber ranks and push LTE to new heights!

MetroPCS is getting a LOT of press these days. If they keep expanding their market reach they could become a serious thorn in the side of the more established competitors. The do need more phones however, but I suspect that will change in time. They currently use CDMA correct?
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When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405767 Mon, 18 May 2009 11:59:31 EDT Re: All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405695 Chaldo : I liked that I saw metro PCs on the list, I wonder who will have a better lte network in this round AT&T or VERIZON. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405695 Mon, 18 May 2009 11:46:15 EDT All hail Metro http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405629 VansHSI : Ahh yes the broad support of MetroPCS will surely surge the subscriber ranks and push LTE to new heights!

Probly could have done without metro but hey, pre-paid is on the rise right now... you never know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22405629 Mon, 18 May 2009 11:28:11 EDT