Topic 'Re: Little too late' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22410928 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:51:47 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:51:47 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22427935 quote:
Either thats Union labor or Uncle Tony's Construction Company.


The crooked construction company in Illinois was Palumbo Construction.

"The Earth Moves with Palumbo"

Do a Google search on Palumbo Construction and read all about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22427935 Fri, 22 May 2009 11:32:30 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22427110 said by screavic4:

This is coming a little too late considering most major freeway's are already being worked on...

Here in the north east due to weather and some shoddy workmanship they are dug up every couple of years. And some are under perpetual construction]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22427110 Fri, 22 May 2009 09:30:35 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22415165 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22415165 Wed, 20 May 2009 01:14:37 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22414849 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22414849 Tue, 19 May 2009 23:32:28 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22414756 said by jester121:

I guess Michigan was bound to get something right eventually. :D

You would think so after the mistakes they have made, but no. What the other poster failed to mention is that this year, all concrete projects are still being redone from the year before. Not only does this mean the roadways but it also means every bridge too.

The year before all the contractors this state hired to rework the bridges and roadways used the wrong type of concrete. It was inferior (more like cheaper for the contractors) for what they were using it for and had to be redone as pieces of the bridges were falling onto motorists vehicles as they passed under less than a month after the projects were completed.

You would think they would have held the contractors responsible for it but nope, they didn't do that either. They got money from the federal level instead, hired the same contractors, and pretty much paid them again to do the same job they should have got right in the first place. Of course this would have all been prevented had the state inspected the work as the projects moved along, but no, they decided to do that after people driving under the bridges got hurt.

So, what did this state get right again? :p
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But they've had that for at least 8 years now.
But also concerete is also easier to patch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22414591 Tue, 19 May 2009 22:41:59 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413609
Stop out in the Chicago burbs some time and you'll see what concrete roads look like after 1 winter. Better than asphalt, sure, but still in rouch shape. That may be a special "Italian" blend we use here though. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413609 Tue, 19 May 2009 19:45:19 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413592
The rest of the Midwest states could do the same and be done with it.

The thing is though it seems like toooooo many people think about how much its costing now verse how much the project will cost in the long run. Why spend more out over a period of a few years verse spending the money now and forgetting about it and putting the "repair" budget funds on another road for a change. That's the problem the USDOT and many state DOTs have...

Everyone is toooo short sided for anything to really work.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413592 Tue, 19 May 2009 19:41:39 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413551
They don't just simply "drop another conduit" in the hole.. and the guys doing the job aren't always billed out by the hour.. so they don't simply grab a second piece of conduit and drop it in the trench.. many, if not most, jobs are priced out by a method called 'piece rate'..

I'm going going to go into a discussion on job costing but it isn't cheap.. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413551 Tue, 19 May 2009 19:32:28 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413548
I'm not a socialist so I'm sorry if I don't believe in tax payers footing bills for other entities that are getting benefit from it with out a return to the people that funded it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413548 Tue, 19 May 2009 19:31:38 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413527 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413527 Tue, 19 May 2009 19:28:04 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413265 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413265 Tue, 19 May 2009 18:38:28 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413231
If they used concerate they wouldn't have to go back in the spring and "patch" them and then do it again in a few weeks after a major rain storm comes along and knocks the patch right out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22413231 Tue, 19 May 2009 18:28:53 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411962 said by Skippy25:

said by fiberguy:

and the bill would only add millions to a project...
Really, Conduit along the way would add millions?

You using gold plated conduit or something?
The road will already have conduit for the lights, seismology equipment, car counters, CCTVs, police radio repeaters, and State DOT fiber optic network for those "slow traffic next 5 miles" signs. Why not include extra conduit and ducts for discount backbone companies like Cogent to get more access to rural/suburban areas outside the ILEC?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411962 Tue, 19 May 2009 14:39:18 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411948 said by BF69:

roads ALWAYS need repair. Hell I remember living in Illinois where it seems the same stretch of roads were ALWAYS being repaired. Well technically I never saw any work being done. Just one guy in a ditch and 4 others looking at him and another guy in com construction vehicle smoking a cigarette.
Either thats Union labor or Uncle Tony's Construction Company.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411948 Tue, 19 May 2009 14:36:06 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411928 said by cableties:

Yep. I always wondered why the utilities companies would dig up the freshly paved roads. It's not like the road work wasn't on the books for years. It's almost like the utility folks should be fined for any tear-up AFTER. Oh, did I type that? :o
»www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/permit···st.shtml

New York City does.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411928 Tue, 19 May 2009 14:33:13 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411857 said by fiberguy:

and the bill would only add millions to a project... Really, Conduit along the way would add millions?

You using gold plated conduit or something?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411857 Tue, 19 May 2009 14:21:17 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411418
I'd love to read the exact bill word for word, to be honest.

Look at LA.. why in the world would all the "federal highways" need fiber run "with them"... doesn't really make sense to me. There WILL be freeways that are built where fiber isn't needed, nor likely ever will be needed, and the bill would only add millions to a project...

It's a good "thought" but writing laws out of emotion with out thoughts or any kind of break out clause, etc, is just bad bill writing.

This isn't the right way to do it.. if you want to deploy broadband, and you want a law that pushes that requirement, then write a law that does just that.. but, to attach an ambiguous law that says all federal highways HAVE to have fiber conduit is ridiculous.

Simply pass a law that addresses broadband in general.. and, I don't think that this is an "any single rep" issue, rather, a national broadband plan or communications bill anyway..

Don't these "parties" ever come together on these things? or is everyone out there throwing out ideas just to see what sticks anymore?

By the way.. this coming from Palo Alto, which if I'm correct, and I am, is in California.. (for disclosure, my home state of 28 years) .. a state that can't get its own act together financially, and really ever can with out shutting itself down to do so.. this is coming from a state that doesn't care or think twice about spending money.. even money it doesn't have.

Sorry, call me grouchy about this one, but there's a reason I left the state of CA and it wasn't becuase of the over abundance of sunshine either. (Funny, off topic, but, even after I leave that state, I wake up today hearing that the rest of us will get to pay for all those wonderful programs that CA can't get under control. I'll go to bed at night sleeping better knowing that my money made in MN will go to help a drug user in CA get a clean needle)

Just seems that CA should stop trying to find more ways to spend money right about now.. broadband or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411418 Tue, 19 May 2009 13:05:16 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411031
My luck they would be repairing the road and then cut the fiber and never knew it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411031 Tue, 19 May 2009 12:03:13 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411021 said by screavic4:

This is coming a little too late considering most major freeway's are already being worked on... roads ALWAYS need repair. Hell I remember living in Illinois where it seems the same stretch of roads were ALWAYS being repaired. Well technically I never saw any work being done. Just one guy in a ditch and 4 others looking at him and another guy in com construction vehicle smoking a cigarette.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22411021 Tue, 19 May 2009 12:00:36 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22410983 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22410983 Tue, 19 May 2009 11:55:27 EDT Re: Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22410967 --
Weeeeeeee!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Little-too-late-22410967 Tue, 19 May 2009 11:52:47 EDT Little too late http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Little-too-late-22410928
I know there are some out there that aren't but alot are, they are not going to "move back" on the freeway and install conduit if they are 5 miles from being completed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Little-too-late-22410928 Tue, 19 May 2009 11:45:19 EDT