said by st7860 :

it IS white label service and thats why Bell is able to throttle it. companies can choose to rent bare parts like copper lines and place their OWN equipment into a central office then in that situation, bell obviously can't throttle them.

said by Buddah :

another point the poster in support of wireless fails to acknowledge is security! AS an IT security professional I can tell you ANY type of wireless connection can be compromised, wired hard lines can NOT. so weather its 2.4 ghz, 5 ghz, or 6.0 DECT ( which is in the works to be next) it can all be hacked. I have installed wired and wireless systems on both the US and Canadian sides of the border.

said by mlerner :

A point to point connection with high gain antennas on roof tops is absolutely fine. In a ISP rollout where the range and elevation varies it's much more difficult and not reliable unless it's in ideal conditions.

said by Snickerdo :

The moron doesn't know what he's blabbering about. I have several clients on Canopy 5GHz equipment for Internet connectivity and one using Canopy 2.4GHz as a Point-to-Point link between two locations. While it works, I'd question whether it works well, and it is by no means in any way shape or form a replacement for a proper wireline connection.

said by adisor19 :

LOL, uhuh, i'd like to see if avoid interference on the 2.4Ghz band when it's chock full of : leaky microwave ovens, digital phones, wireless Xbox remotes, WFI access points and Bluetooth phones and every other wireless connectivity under the sun. No matter how good your Canopy device it, there is nothing it can do when the entire 2.4Ghz spectrum is full of crap. This is NOT the miraculous solution that the ISPs need. This is akin to the BPL panacea that everyone was blowing in our face a year ago. Whatever happened with that ? Oh right, it was senseless to begin with.

said by hottboiinnc :

No it DOES NOT stand

You fail to see that Canopy is designed to avoid this interference. You would know that if you read the white papers. But you must not understand those like everything else, especially since the only time you really post is when it has to do with Bell killing off the ISPs because they're lazy.

said by hottboiinnc :

You must not have read the PDF about Canopy.

It is designed so IT AVOIDS the interference.

But then again you wouldn't know that since you failed to read.

said by MIghtyCicero :

We are NOT consumers. We are CITIZENS.

People have to stop reducing themselves to autonomous profit-generating-waste-producing drones.

said by hottboiinnc :

You fail to see that Canopy is designed to avoid this interference. You would know that if you read the white papers. But you must not understand those like everything else, especially since the only time you really post is when it has to do with Bell killing off the ISPs because they're lazy.

said by adisor19 :

FROM US, THE CONSUMERS.

said by st7860 :

»tranceparance.posterous.com/stop···make-you

"Another proceeding relating to the Internet in Canada required Telecom providers (Bell/Telus/etc.) to provide ISPs with WHOLESALE service speeds that match those that they offer to their own retail customers

Read more: »tranceparance.posterous.com/stop···tZR3Qu&B
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and for the people who didn't already know - the reason why bell can throttle ADSL is because most companies choose to rent wholesale services from bell and just stick their own name on it thats why in some situations in ontario(you can't do this in bc or alberta) with various ADSL companies you can trade passwords and USERids and it usually works)

said by hottboiinnc :

TekSavvy must like them to some point? I mean why else would Rocky be reselling Bell Landline services? He after all owns the company. If he didn't like them he would start to refuse to do business with them.

said by hottboiinnc :

Has he ever heard of build out Wirelessly and cover his customers that way little by little? Nope! instead he sinks his money into fighting bell and doing what? still goes to them to buy wholesale landline services! WTF!

said by hottboiinnc :

And actually it's common business sense. Look at what happened down here. The same thing. The ISPs didn't make shit. The Telco's went to the Feds and go them kicked off the network. If they didn't have their own network what happened? they closed. That's the way it should have been.

said by hottboiinnc :

These companies knew that this was coming sooner or later. They just decided not to do anything about it. Just like they did here.

said by hottboiinnc :

TekSavvy must like them to some point? I mean why else would Rocky be reselling Bell Landline services? He after all owns the company. If he didn't like them he would start to refuse to do business with them. Has he ever heard of VoIP. Must not have.

said by hottboiinnc :

No you did not give the money to Bell.

said by hottboiinnc :

Moto canopy uses 2.4GHz the same frequency that your home router uses. You can't tell me that it requires a licenses.

You are rooting for your lame ass ISP because they're too cheap to build out their own network.

You need to go read the WISP board here and see how many people are from Canada and run a WISP with out a problem. You can also see that I asked a question the last time this was brought up and asked if a WISP needed licenses in Canada before they could build. The answer is NO!

This product: »www.motorola.com/Business/US-EN/···Networks uses the same technology your router uses. It also is designed to avoid any interference and only connects back to its base station.

Maybe you should learn how things work before running your mouth when you don't know anything about a product.

By the way, companies like TekSavvy have the money to start reselling Bell Landline? They have the money they can build out a wireless network. If they have the funds to sit and battle this out, they have the money to build a network.

Where does all their profit go? back into the company to expand DSL? Hardly. It goes to their pocket. They should start spending some of that money on their network and building it out and they won't have to rely on Bell..... What happens when Bell goes to the CRTC and tells them that they don't want anyone reselling their landline service? what happens then?

By the way ISPs had how many years? 10? to build out their own network? It's 10years over due that they did.

said by hottboiinnc :

No you did not give the money to Bell.

I don't see that Rocky gave them money to build. I don't see anyone else did either. The Gov't help build the telephone network. NOT the Internet network which is at question. If you don't like the way that it's being run well guess what? Build it yourself or do without. That's the way things work.

And in the real world you don't get your cake and eat it too. It just doesn't work that way. But i must live in the real world unlike you and Adi who think it is all cake and ice cream for everyone regardless of what is the truth.

said by hottboiinnc :

Maybe they should take their profit and expand.

Also Adi, your ISP wouldn't have a problem if he would take his profit and expand using that like every other business. You know thats how businesses work. You don't keep the profit and pay yourself! You expand and offer better products to more customers.

After all you should know that. Oh wait. you don't seem to get that do you?

Also if it wasn't for Bell you wouldn't have a phone system and DSL like you do now.

said by hottboiinnc :

Why not buy your own gear? you by pass Bell and all their business practices. You don't have to rely on them or their techs or anything else for that matter. especially the RT issue and the colos. You don't need their last mile copper to hit the customer

You people in Canada just want your cake and eat it too.

The law is too old and needs to be corrected. These ISPs had a chance to build out a network and didn't. Now they can suffer from it, the same way the ISPs in the USA are in hot water, they didn't build out now they close. Not the ILEC's problem. It's ISP's fault. And actually, VZ was stupid for allowing DSLX to resell their Fiber...i would have told them to go kiss my ass because they didn't build a network, instead they wish to leach just like all the other ISPs out here and in Canada.

said by hottboiinnc :

So tell your ISP to get off their ass and spend their money building out their own network and you wouldn't have a problem getting their services.

And you know what the best part of that would be? YOU DONT HAVE TO USE BELL! OMG! What an idea!

said by hottboiinnc :

Bell doesn't own the airspace so why don't ISPs use that? Ever hear of MOTO Canopy? It works great! ISPs in Canada use it. It's one of the fine products that MOTO makes for their Wireless ISP customers.

These 3rd party ISPs just want to ride on someone else's network without doing anything instead of spending this money they should be out creating their own network if they wanted to stay in business.

Also things change. It's time that these companies get off their asses and start changing as well. Those 3rd Party ISPs are gonna be done for because they didn't build out and who do they have to blame? Their owners and customers like you who claim that they shouldn't have to because the CRTC protects them.

Wake up and smell the coffee you don't get shit for free anymore!

said by st7860 :

(obviously this doesn't apply to VRADs/remotes and so on)

said by st7860 :

and for the people who didn't already know - the reason why bell can throttle ADSL is because most companies choose to rent wholesale services from bell and just stick their own name on it thats why in some situations in ontario(you can't do this in bc or alberta) with various ADSL companies you can trade passwords and USERids and it usually works)

said by st7860 :

it IS white label service and thats why Bell is able to throttle it. companies can choose to rent bare parts like copper lines and place their OWN equipment into a central office then in that situation, bell obviously can't throttle them.

said by st7860 :

it is an opportunity, as bare copper lines for ADSL purposes have been available in Canada for 10 years, but teksavvy choses to be cheap and instead rent white label ADSL, and is obviously subject to throttling.

said by st7860 :

of course if you rent wholesale(white label) services from someone you are subject to disruptions and conditions.

said by st7860 :

nobody is forced to buy wholesale.

for ten years anyone has had the right to locate their own equipment in a central office and obviously avoid throttling.

of course if you rent wholesale(white label) services from someone you are subject to disruptions and conditions.

said by st7860 :

what is almost never mentioned is that Teksavvy basically buys wholesale ADSL from Bell and adds on their own stuff (some backhaul, email/web service, authentication, etc).

for almost 10 years, any company in Canada has the right to rent bare copper lines from the ILEC(bell, telus, etc) and colocate their own dslams into central offices and thus avoid any throtting. but most companies choose to instead buy wholesale adsl from the ILEC, which is obviously subject to throttling.

(obviously this doesn't apply to VRADs/remotes and so on)

said by st7860 :

(obviously this doesn't apply to VRADs/remotes and so on)