Canadian Consumer Groups Slam CRTC > Bell is growing way too large.

reply to insomx

Re: Bell is growing way too large.

Go read what GAS actually IS! Not what you THINK it is!

reply to st7860

So tell your ISP to get off their ass and spend their money building out their own network and you wouldn't have a problem getting their services.

And you know what the best part of that would be? YOU DONT HAVE TO USE BELL! OMG! What an idea!

It requires a certain level of business to be able to expand.

It's not as if the 3rd party ISPs aren't paying their fair share of the costs of the last mile and colo, or GAS services. After all they're paying the tariffed prices that Bell set for these services when requested to do so by the CRTC. If the price isn't high enough, justify a price increase to the CRTC and request it! After all, this is simply another business to Bell.

The only thing they must not be allowed to do (and that's the reason for making it a regulated service) is to set a price that attempts to make up for loss of internet business to themselves (vis to favour themselves).

Maybe they should take their profit and expand.

Also Adi, your ISP wouldn't have a problem if he would take his profit and expand using that like every other business. You know thats how businesses work. You don't keep the profit and pay yourself! You expand and offer better products to more customers.

After all you should know that. Oh wait. you don't seem to get that do you?

Also if it wasn't for Bell you wouldn't have a phone system and DSL like you do now.

TekSavvy must like them to some point? I mean why else would Rocky be reselling Bell Landline services? He after all owns the company. If he didn't like them he would start to refuse to do business with them. Has he ever heard of VoIP. Must not have.

Has he ever heard of build out Wirelessly and cover his customers that way little by little? Nope! instead he sinks his money into fighting bell and doing what? still goes to them to buy wholesale landline services! WTF!

And actually it's common business sense. Look at what happened down here. The same thing. The ISPs didn't make shit. The Telco's went to the Feds and go them kicked off the network. If they didn't have their own network what happened? they closed. That's the way it should have been.

These companies knew that this was coming sooner or later. They just decided not to do anything about it. Just like they did here.

reply to hottboiinnc
Yes, because these small businesses have enough money to build out their own network to compete with an incumbent network the government helped pay for. If Bell paid for the network themselves I could see your point, but of course they did not.

You keep spouting on and on about this, but I see you recently posted asking about a way to get small business grants. I guess everyone should be spending their own money to build out a business except for you?

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reply to mlerner
doesn't matter if they make money off it or not. They still took the time, and money to get bell to offer them the services. In return TekSavvy spends money marketing the product and selling it.

reply to adisor19
Maybe because my ISP actually but its network out instead of leaching off the Telephone companies. You know companies here in the USA do that thing. It's called being a real business.

As I have said before Moto Canopy AVOIDS the interference.

reply to scavio
That small business grant was not for me thank you very much. And who says I'm not spending my own money. Also I don't need to build a business out like the ISPs. My business is small and doesn't require that. But then again i know of these things called Venture Capital.

reply to hottboiinnc
So you agree with the CRTC ruling, despite the fact that Karl has repeatedly pointed out in his stories that these members are former executives of rogers/bell?

I don't see why you are trying to use a straw man's argument here about Moto Canopy. I've read your posts, and you say "BUILD YOUR OWN NETWORK! STOP MARKETING YOUR PRODUCT! SINK SOME OF THAT PROFIT INTO BUILDING A NETWORK!"

So, what these small ISPs should do is instead build their own networks, which would cost a small fortune? Not to mention, if you have actually been following this story from its infancy, you would understand that Bell is a monopoly? I'm not going to reiterate what someone post above, but if you read again, you would understand why building your own network like you suggest is not possible.

You are saying, in essence, that these small ISPs should instead offer their customers inferior wireless broadband...honestly man, why are you trying to defend Bell? I see what you are trying to say about "who owns the network in the end", but like I said...I challenge you to reread the news stories, and do a little more research other than spout this nonsense that you think is knowledgeable.

The fact that you are arguing over something that you have barely any knowledge of at all appalls me. Go back and do some more reading, and then come talk about what you think "running a business requires."

I'd also like to add that the same logic about "STOP MARKETING" can be applied to Bell. They should build up their OWN NETWORK if they are complaining about congestion issues. The fact that Bell can't supply the evidence to support their position shows that Bell just wants to stifle competition.
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reply to hottboiinnc
These small businesses didn't require building out either. For some reason, you think they did.

I just think it's funny that "the person who isn't you "that wanted to find ways to get a business grant is justified (or you wouldn't have asked) but these evil small businesses aren't supposed to fight for what they have rights to.

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