Re: Bell is growing way too large. -

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st7860 join:2004-05-13 San Francisco, CA 1 edit	reply to insomx Re: Bell is growing way too large. »tranceparance.posterous.com/stop···make-you "Another proceeding relating to the Internet in Canada required Telecom providers (Bell/Telus/etc.) to provide ISPs with WHOLESALE service speeds that match those that they offer to their own retail customers Read more: »tranceparance.posterous.com/stop···tZR3Qu&B " and for the people who didn't already know - the reason why bell can throttle ADSL is because most companies choose to rent wholesale services from bell and just stick their own name on it thats why in some situations in ontario(you can't do this in bc or alberta) with various ADSL companies you can trade passwords and USERids and it usually works)
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mlerner Premium join:2000-11-25 Nepean, ON kudos:5	said by st7860: and for the people who didn't already know - the reason why bell can throttle ADSL is because most companies choose to rent wholesale services from bell and just stick their own name on it thats why in some situations in ontario(you can't do this in bc or alberta) with various ADSL companies you can trade passwords and USERids and it usually works) Incorrect, the reason that works in Ontario is because all the traffic and authentication requests go through Bell's network before hitting the provider and Bell's transit runs through the same network. The realm determines which network the traffic goes. Telus on the other hand terminates retail and wholesale traffic on different segments on the network and they don't use PPPoE for authentication.
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51019512 join:2009-05-19 151 Front St	reply to st7860 st7860 but sit on the CRTC. Would explain his replies and not understanding.
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derekm join:2008-02-26	reply to st7860 Are you Mirko Bibic in disguise? Your pronounced misunderstanding of the situation in Canada, and your stubbornness in propagating it, belies your affiliation with Bell.
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El Quintron ... a faint odor of kerosene Premium join:2008-04-28 Etobicoke, ON kudos:2	reply to st7860 Don't feed the "buy your own gear" troll. He's from the states he know SFA about the Canadian Telecom situation... -- Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.
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hottboiinnc ME join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH Reviews: ·WOW Internet and..	Why not buy your own gear? you by pass Bell and all their business practices. You don't have to rely on them or their techs or anything else for that matter. especially the RT issue and the colos. You don't need their last mile copper to hit the customer You people in Canada just want your cake and eat it too. The law is too old and needs to be corrected. These ISPs had a chance to build out a network and didn't. Now they can suffer from it, the same way the ISPs in the USA are in hot water, they didn't build out now they close. Not the ILEC's problem. It's ISP's fault. And actually, VZ was stupid for allowing DSLX to resell their Fiber...i would have told them to go kiss my ass because they didn't build a network, instead they wish to leach just like all the other ISPs out here and in Canada.
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adisor19 join:2004-10-11 Reviews: ·Acanac	said by hottboiinnc: Why not buy your own gear? you by pass Bell and all their business practices. You don't have to rely on them or their techs or anything else for that matter. especially the RT issue and the colos. You don't need their last mile copper to hit the customer You people in Canada just want your cake and eat it too. The law is too old and needs to be corrected. These ISPs had a chance to build out a network and didn't. Now they can suffer from it, the same way the ISPs in the USA are in hot water, they didn't build out now they close. Not the ILEC's problem. It's ISP's fault. And actually, VZ was stupid for allowing DSLX to resell their Fiber...i would have told them to go kiss my ass because they didn't build a network, instead they wish to leach just like all the other ISPs out here and in Canada. Again, spoken with 100% ignorance on the subject. Bell built their network with heavy subsidy from the Canadian government. You can bet you ass the small ISPs would have built their network by now if they had that free subsidy $$$ available to them just like Bell had. Adi
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cpsycho join:2008-06-03 HarperLand 1 edit	reply to hottboiinnc Re: Bell is growing way too large. Edit: Reply to hottboiinnc You really don't get it do you. Its the peoples network not just bells. We gave them money to build it out. So its "our" rules that dictate what bell should and should not do. But we have a problem with corrupt conservatives selling off "our" infrastructure, "our" stuff to private corporations that they seem to sit on the board with. But your an American and dont understand our society up here. Take your "buy your own equipment" phase and head down to where you belong with it. Do you understand now? We are a socialist democracy up in canada, not a capitalistic democracy like in the states. said by hottboiinnc : You people in Canada just want your cake and eat it too. It is our cake and we should be allowed to eat it We just have to make sure "our" corrupt politicians make sure we get it.
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hottboiinnc ME join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH Reviews: ·WOW Internet and..	No you did not give the money to Bell. I don't see that Rocky gave them money to build. I don't see anyone else did either. The Gov't help build the telephone network. NOT the Internet network which is at question. If you don't like the way that it's being run well guess what? Build it yourself or do without. That's the way things work. And in the real world you don't get your cake and eat it too. It just doesn't work that way. But i must live in the real world unlike you and Adi who think it is all cake and ice cream for everyone regardless of what is the truth.
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cpsycho join:2008-06-03 HarperLand	Who gave the government money to give to bell? We as the people did. That includes the build out of the last mile copper that bell controls which is a part of the money we gave them, the copper plants as well. This is the wiring the internet runs on. You still dont understand our ways do you. So in it is our cake not bells. We the people make the rules not bell. If they want to do business in Canada they follow "our" rules, not try and make their own. Really before spouting off your mouth read up on Canadian history, laws and society. Again you dont understand our ways.
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adisor19 join:2004-10-11 Reviews: ·Acanac	reply to hottboiinnc said by hottboiinnc: No you did not give the money to Bell. I don't see that Rocky gave them money to build. I don't see anyone else did either. The Gov't help build the telephone network. NOT the Internet network which is at question. If you don't like the way that it's being run well guess what? Build it yourself or do without. That's the way things work. And in the real world you don't get your cake and eat it too. It just doesn't work that way. But i must live in the real world unlike you and Adi who think it is all cake and ice cream for everyone regardless of what is the truth. Yes we did give $$ to Bell and that's the whole point. That copper network that Bell built with our money is exactly what is at the heart of this situation. Let's talk about the situation in the good old US of A : did the phone companies not receive any subsidies to build their networks ? Of course they did but unfortunately the heavy corparate lobbying has not only killed competition from third party ISPs but has also rebuilt Ma Bell from scratch to the point where it's back up the wonderful days of price gouging from the past. I don't know about you, but i rather have more then 1 choice when it comes to my internet or anything else for that matter. Adi
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adisor19 join:2004-10-11 Reviews: ·Acanac	reply to hottboiinnc said by hottboiinnc: No you did not give the money to Bell. What !? And what exactly were those goverment subsidies ?! Adi
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El Quintron ... a faint odor of kerosene Premium join:2008-04-28 Etobicoke, ON kudos:2 Reviews: ·TekSavvy DSL ·voip.ms ·WIND Mobile ·TekSavvy Cable	reply to hottboiinnc I'm still incredibly amazed that some posters with no idea how the Canadian telecom industry works, love to come on here and shamelessly troll on with their pseudo-libertarian nonsense. First of all, its our infrastructure, not Bell's we paid for it with our tax dollars. Second of all, there are laws which I pay for unfortunately, that prevent TSI (and other resellers) that prevent them from building out their own network with the same ease as the incumbents. People hate the stacked deck, they don't want handouts from bell. -- Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.
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hottboiinnc ME join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH Reviews: ·WOW Internet and..	reply to adisor19 Those gave you the right to get telephone service. NOT to build out an Internet Network. Also the network was given to Bell. IT DOES NOT Belong to the people. So you keep saying how YOU gave them money. You didn't give them shit. People maybe ~100+ years ago did. NOT you.
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hottboiinnc ME join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH	reply to El Quintron Those laws do NOT stop them from building a Wireless Network. You should learn that.
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El Quintron ... a faint odor of kerosene Premium join:2008-04-28 Etobicoke, ON kudos:2 Reviews: ·TekSavvy DSL ·voip.ms ·WIND Mobile ·TekSavvy Cable	Once again you're completely missing the point. Wireless infrastructure like the kind you're proposing doesn't work in densely populated areas. And once again it isn't bell's network it belongs to the Canadian Taxpayer. I'm taking a trick from you book. Maybe if I just repeat myself over and over you'll understand. -- Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.
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mazhurg Premium join:2004-05-02 Portage La Prairie, MB Reviews: ·MTS	reply to st7860 said by st7860: »tranceparance.posterous.com/stop···make-you "Another proceeding relating to the Internet in Canada required Telecom providers (Bell/Telus/etc.) to provide ISPs with WHOLESALE service speeds that match those that they offer to their own retail customers Read more: »tranceparance.posterous.com/stop···tZR3Qu&B " and for the people who didn't already know - the reason why bell can throttle ADSL is because most companies choose to rent wholesale services from bell and just stick their own name on it thats why in some situations in ontario(you can't do this in bc or alberta) with various ADSL companies you can trade passwords and USERids and it usually works) Considering that level 0 and 2 transports have really nothing to do with the above layers, and that those layers can be used for much more than TCP/IP (lvl 3), you really shine in your ignorance. Perhaps you should crawl back under the rock you came from, where the dank warmth of corporate spew keeps you happily ignorant. -- "Vision without funds.... is a hallucination"
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