 AkFubarNothing is more constant than change
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Toronto CAN. | Great Article!! Well written with the issues easily understood by most Canadian consumers. Now if we could only get this in front of most Canadian consumers.
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 PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | said by AkFubar: Now if we could only get this in front of most Canadian consumers. Copy, paste, email, send. Repeat.as necessary. |
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Why? It's not taking a choice away from the customer/consumers. It's taking away the 3rd party ISPs from leaching. They have had plenty of time to build out a network and get it going. But NOPE they didn't want to because they didn't have to. They got a free ride. Well all things come to an end, and this one is about ready to. Good bye 3rd party ISPs and welcome to Bell, your choice due to your ISP was too lazy to build a network. Which means, they don't care about you, they just wanted to collect your hard earned $$$$. |
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| said by hottboiinnc:Why? It's not taking a choice away from the customer/consumers. It's taking away the 3rd party ISPs from leaching. They have had plenty of time to build out a network and get it going. But NOPE they didn't want to because they didn't have to. They got a free ride. Well all things come to an end, and this one is about ready to. Good bye 3rd party ISPs and welcome to Bell, your choice due to your ISP was too lazy to build a network. Which means, they don't care about you, they just wanted to collect your hard earned $$$$. Wow, 3rd party ISPs being lazy ?! LOL they're the ones who offer MORE then Bell does.
They :
- offer local supprt, don't ship support to India
- don't throttle like Bell does
- offers lower prices compared to Bell
- actually DELIVER faster speeds due to better tier 1 peering compared to Bell
They only reason they didn't built their network yet is for a lack of funding from the government. See, Bell built their network with government $$ yet the same government won't give out those subsidies to the small ISPs now.
Nice attempt to spew BS but on this board, you're a little outnumbered.
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 SnickerdoPremium
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Niagara Falls, ON | reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc:But NOPE they didn't want to because they didn't have to. They got a free ride. How is this a free ride? The third-party ISP pays for and provides the transit to the Internet - Not Bell, provides the servers - Not Bell, the customer support - Not Bell, provides the IP assignment block - Not Bell, etc etc. The only thing that Bell provides is the physical copper from the CP to the CO/Remote/RSLAM, and an ATM cloud to the ISP POP for which the ISP pays an arm and a leg for. Even the authentication servers are provided by the ISP, Bell merely merely channels PPPoE authentication requests for a third-party from the Redback to the ISPs own authentication servers on the other side of the cloud.
Really, the absolute ignorance that is up and down these posts sickens me. People have not a bloody freaking clue of how any of this works but are running their mouths off like they know. What is most pathetic of all is that these people without a clue who are running their mouths off are from South of the Border and probably couldn't even find Canada on a map, let alone have any idea how our regulatory framework works up here or what GAS is and how it works. But yeah, keep it up, ignorance is always good for a laugh at your expense.
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| reply to adisor19
I'm not out numbered.
And yes they are lazy. They don't build out.
That's the key. If you want your cake you can't eat it too. You must spend spend spend.
I for one would like to know why company's like Rocky's did not build out. Why don't they spend their profits building out a network instead of spending that money and effort in fighting this with Bell?
Can you answer that? No. Can you answer why i said they're lazy? Yes, because they don't spend any of their profit bettering themselves. Instead they want the thing given to them on a silver platter which is over with.
Bell got the help back when phones came out. They didn't get in the last 10years when the Internet started to come around.
Look at Rogers, they build their network. Why can't Rocky? Why can't anyone else? Instead they prefer to leach off someone else and just reap the rewards of the profit and watch it build up like any other lazy business owner would.
They don't care about their customers and what they want. instead they want what betters their checking account, which is to leach off Bell and let them pay for the network while they sit back and bitch at Bell when something doesn't go their way or doesn't go fast enough for them. |
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Sorry. I know where Canada is. It's north of me where all the crying ass babies live.
Bell pays to maintain that network. They actually own the network now. Nothing is owned by you or the gov't. Bell is a private company. Wake up and smell it.
They don't care about you. They care about what they make just like Rocky and every other ISP does. But instead Bell wants to kick them off because they're tired of supporting their business. Which smart people would actually done a long ass time ago.
If those ISPs wants to compete and offer service, well they need to start bettering themselves and start spending some of that profit they're making. And you can't tell me they're not making anything either because thats a crock of bull shit and we all know that. Because if they didn't they wouldn't be in business today. These ISPs have had time to build out a network and they should have. They should have looked into the future and said "yah we need to change, we need to get away from the copper" Well guess what. What happens when copper is replaced and the ISPs can't use it? OPPS! Sorry they're out of luck unless they do what? Yep! that's right, build out their own network.
Sorry It's time of the ISPs to close if they can't compete. |
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SnickerdoPremium
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Niagara Falls, ON | reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc:They didn't get in the last 10years when the Internet started to come around. Your ignorance is stunning, even for someone from Ohio.
Bell receives money and grants for network upgrades/deployment on a regular basis. The whole reason they do is because they're the ILEC and their own upgrades more or less mean upgrades for everyone else due to tarrifed GAS service.
But yeah, keep it coming. The hole only gets deeper with each post.
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| No, it doesn't get deeper with each post, You just decide to ignore the facts that these ISPs are gonna kiss the dirt by the end of the summer.
That's the facts. These ISPs have had over a year to prepare to go out of business, pay the fees, or build out. How's problem is that?
It's not Bells or the CRTC's fault. It's the ISPs fault.
They shouldn't be so damn stupid and should have been building out or selling their network instead of trying to compete with Bell more by becoming a telephone company and paying them even more. That's their own stupid fault. Not mine. |
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Wake up? Really....
We gave them money with rules and stipulations. Its bells fault they took it from us. Now they dont like our rules and wanna change them. To bad for them.
Bell is the sleez of the ILEC world. They try and pay, lobby and corrupt our politicians to get what they want.
Its just to bad some of us Canadians were watching and will do our best to stop them.
Next on the list for bell would be an anti-trust lawsuit filed by the people of Canada if they wanna continue to pull this crap. No Company in the world is bigger then the populace who supports those companies and governments.
So please please keep the fud coming your looking more unintelligent with every post you make. |
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Thanks for backing me up on this.
Adi |
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Um you are outnumbered, and you need a basic english class to boot.
My first language is french and I have a better command of english grammar and sentence structure than you do.
The fact is you are completely ignorant of Canada and its laws, your blanket statements only show your ignorance about the fight that's being going on forever.
I'm assuming you're just an ignorant troll, but on a very slim assumption you were a paid astroturfer, I hope your contract is coming up soon because your employer is definitely not getting their money's worth.
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| Sorry don't work in IT anymore. You can have your french as well. And just because my English is not properly structured on here doesn't mean I can not talk proper.
And no my comments are not blank. You want TekSavvy and every other ISP fall.
Their days are numbered with 9 more to go. |
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| reply to cpsycho
No you did not give them money. I don't believe you paid for the services ~100+ years ago. Did you? I don't think so
Also the Gov't turned that network over to Bell. It's now their network which they will do what they see fit with it. And that's to get rid of the leaches.
Anti trust? LMAO! It can't be Anti-Trust! And i'm sure you "people" have the money to take on Bell. Good Luck! I'm sure they'll love to own your home when they drag you through court. |
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Yah especially since you don't know how to read and understand a white paper. |
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Good thing, you lack the logic to properly analyse problems anyways.
said by hottboiinnc:You can have your french as well. And just because my English is not properly structured on here doesn't mean I can not talk proper. You just proved my point in spades.
said by hottboiinnc:And no my comments are not blank. You want TekSavvy and every other ISP fall. Their days are numbered with 9 more to go. Like I said... if this is what Big Telco/Big CableCo are getting for their lobbying dollars then the world is a sorry place indeed.
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That just goes to show how small minded some Americans really are.
How do you expect to contribute to a conversation about Canada with an attitude like that?
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said by hottboiinnc:Yah especially since you don't know how to read and understand a white paper. You got plenty to say about reading and writing skills buddy...
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| said by Fireblade:I thought Urbanriot was a tool, this guy is in a completely different league. Yeah its sort of like dousing your head with gasoline and then running through a forest fire.
At first you wanna kick his ass but then you realize how pathetic he is and you start feeling a mixture of disgust and pity all at once
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