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 ·Acanac
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Re: Bell is growing way too large. said by hottboiinnc:Bell doesn't own the airspace so why don't ISPs use that? Ever hear of MOTO Canopy? It works great! ISPs in Canada use it. It's one of the fine products that MOTO makes for their Wireless ISP customers. These 3rd party ISPs just want to ride on someone else's network without doing anything instead of spending this money they should be out creating their own network if they wanted to stay in business. Also things change. It's time that these companies get off their asses and start changing as well. Those 3rd Party ISPs are gonna be done for because they didn't build out and who do they have to blame? Their owners and customers like you who claim that they shouldn't have to because the CRTC protects them. Wake up and smell the coffee you don't get shit for free anymore! The "airspace" as you call it is ALL used up. Your little moto Canopy requires licensed space. Will the government give out subsidies to the little ISPs in order for them to acquire the new spectrum (IF there is any available) like they did for Bell to build their copper network ? HELL NO!
Nice try with the FUD spreading but it doesn't work unless the government treats the small ISPs like they treated Bell. Those little ISPs are not lazy, they just don't have the resources to start building their own netowkr because the government isn't giving them $$ like they gave Bell.
Or are you just using a double standard here saying it was ok for Bell to get free $$ and build their monopoly but it's not ok for the small ISPs ? I'm sure a person like you with such high integrity will not think that...... ahem
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2 edits | Moto canopy uses 2.4GHz the same frequency that your home router uses. You can't tell me that it requires a licenses.
You are rooting for your lame ass ISP because they're too cheap to build out their own network.
You need to go read the WISP board here and see how many people are from Canada and run a WISP with out a problem. You can also see that I asked a question the last time this was brought up and asked if a WISP needed licenses in Canada before they could build. The answer is NO!
This product: »www.motorola.com/Business/US-EN/···Networks uses the same technology your router uses. It also is designed to avoid any interference and only connects back to its base station.
Maybe you should learn how things work before running your mouth when you don't know anything about a product.
By the way, companies like TekSavvy have the money to start reselling Bell Landline? They have the money they can build out a wireless network. If they have the funds to sit and battle this out, they have the money to build a network.
Where does all their profit go? back into the company to expand DSL? Hardly. It goes to their pocket. They should start spending some of that money on their network and building it out and they won't have to rely on Bell..... What happens when Bell goes to the CRTC and tells them that they don't want anyone reselling their landline service? what happens then?
By the way ISPs had how many years? 10? to build out their own network? It's 10years over due that they did. |
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·Acanac
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Bell is growing way too large. said by hottboiinnc:Moto canopy uses 2.4GHz the same frequency that your home router uses. You can't tell me that it requires a licenses. You are rooting for your lame ass ISP because they're too cheap to build out their own network. You need to go read the WISP board here and see how many people are from Canada and run a WISP with out a problem. You can also see that I asked a question the last time this was brought up and asked if a WISP needed licenses in Canada before they could build. The answer is NO! This product: » www.motorola.com/Business/US-EN/···Networks uses the same technology your router uses. It also is designed to avoid any interference and only connects back to its base station. Maybe you should learn how things work before running your mouth when you don't know anything about a product. By the way, companies like TekSavvy have the money to start reselling Bell Landline? They have the money they can build out a wireless network. If they have the funds to sit and battle this out, they have the money to build a network. Where does all their profit go? back into the company to expand DSL? Hardly. It goes to their pocket. They should start spending some of that money on their network and building it out and they won't have to rely on Bell..... What happens when Bell goes to the CRTC and tells them that they don't want anyone reselling their landline service? what happens then? By the way ISPs had how many years? 10? to build out their own network? It's 10years over due that they did. Are you out of your mind ? Have you seen how busy the 2.4Ghz specturm is in a city ? There's no way a WISP can work in such conditions. Ya, it will work in remotely populated areas, but not in cities.
Moto Canopy ALSO offer LICENCED spectrum devices so my previous point still stands :
»www.motorola.com/Business/US-EN/···rm_US-EN
You should be the one to look up a product before spewing any wild acusations when you have no idea what you're talking about.
And again, TekSavvy doesn't make enough $$ to deploy their own fiber network with no govermnet subsidies and neither did Bell.
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| Adi is right: 2.4Ghz telephones don't even work in my (high-density) apartment building. I wouldn't want to try transferring large amounts of data at that frequency. |
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| You must not have read the PDF about Canopy.
It is designed so IT AVOIDS the interference.
But then again you wouldn't know that since you failed to read. |
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No it DOES NOT stand
You fail to see that Canopy is designed to avoid this interference. You would know that if you read the white papers. But you must not understand those like everything else, especially since the only time you really post is when it has to do with Bell killing off the ISPs because they're lazy. |
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| do you own stock or something? Or are you just being an ass for the sheer amusement of it? |
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc:You fail to see that Canopy is designed to avoid this interference. You would know that if you read the white papers. But you must not understand those like everything else, especially since the only time you really post is when it has to do with Bell killing off the ISPs because they're lazy. Having actual experience with Canopy equipment, I can say for certain that it doesn't work anywhere near as well as you make it out to, and that's at 5GHz. It's hate to see what it'd be like at 2.4 with all the interference around here.
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·Acanac
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said by hottboiinnc:You must not have read the PDF about Canopy. It is designed so IT AVOIDS the interference. But then again you wouldn't know that since you failed to read. I don't know what you're smoking but if the entire 2.4Ghz spectrum is full of crap, there is no way to "avoid" interference. Speeds will drop to a crawl even with your super Canopy hardware.
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said by hottboiinnc:No it DOES NOT stand You fail to see that Canopy is designed to avoid this interference. You would know that if you read the white papers. But you must not understand those like everything else, especially since the only time you really post is when it has to do with Bell killing off the ISPs because they're lazy. LOL, uhuh, i'd like to see if avoid interference on the 2.4Ghz band when it's chock full of : leaky microwave ovens, digital phones, wireless Xbox remotes, WFI access points and Bluetooth phones and every other wireless connectivity under the sun. No matter how good your Canopy device it, there is nothing it can do when the entire 2.4Ghz spectrum is full of crap. This is NOT the miraculous solution that the ISPs need. This is akin to the BPL panacea that everyone was blowing in our face a year ago. Whatever happened with that ? Oh right, it was senseless to begin with.
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SnickerdoPremium
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Niagara Falls, ON | said by adisor19:LOL, uhuh, i'd like to see if avoid interference on the 2.4Ghz band when it's chock full of : leaky microwave ovens, digital phones, wireless Xbox remotes, WFI access points and Bluetooth phones and every other wireless connectivity under the sun. No matter how good your Canopy device it, there is nothing it can do when the entire 2.4Ghz spectrum is full of crap. This is NOT the miraculous solution that the ISPs need. This is akin to the BPL panacea that everyone was blowing in our face a year ago. Whatever happened with that ? Oh right, it was senseless to begin with. The moron doesn't know what he's blabbering about. I have several clients on Canopy 5GHz equipment for Internet connectivity and one using Canopy 2.4GHz as a Point-to-Point link between two locations. While it works, I'd question whether it works well, and it is by no means in any way shape or form a replacement for a proper wireline connection. We always recommend that our clients ditch wireless the moment a wired alternative like cable or DSL becomes available in their area.
Also, using Canopy as an example only further proves that this clown has no clue what he's talking about, as there are MUCH MUCH better wireless implementations out there. Still, even these are no replacement for a proper wireline connection.
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | said by Snickerdo:The moron doesn't know what he's blabbering about. I have several clients on Canopy 5GHz equipment for Internet connectivity and one using Canopy 2.4GHz as a Point-to-Point link between two locations. While it works, I'd question whether it works well, and it is by no means in any way shape or form a replacement for a proper wireline connection. A point to point connection with high gain antennas on roof tops is absolutely fine. In a ISP rollout where the range and elevation varies it's much more difficult and not reliable unless it's in ideal conditions. |
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SnickerdoPremium
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Niagara Falls, ON | said by mlerner:A point to point connection with high gain antennas on roof tops is absolutely fine. In a ISP rollout where the range and elevation varies it's much more difficult and not reliable unless it's in ideal conditions. We've had issues with the point-to-point connection, but that turned out to be more firmware related than anything else and was eventually solved. Was a real pain in the ass when we were dealing with it, though.
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| another point the poster in support of wireless fails to acknowledge is security! AS an IT security professional I can tell you ANY type of wireless connection can be compromised, wired hard lines can NOT. so weather its 2.4 ghz, 5 ghz, or 6.0 DECT ( which is in the works to be next) it can all be hacked. I have installed wired and wireless systems on both the US and Canadian sides of the border. |
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i lived in a acerage where 3 different companies provided 900mhz/2.4ghz service. there is nothing but interference between these companies. i have not read the pdf, but experience tells me i dont have to. you need to try this stuff out in all kinds of circumstances b4 typing. informed opinions are not mandatory, but only help to further discusion. |
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SnickerdoPremium
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Niagara Falls, ON | reply to Buddah
said by Buddah :
another point the poster in support of wireless fails to acknowledge is security! AS an IT security professional I can tell you ANY type of wireless connection can be compromised, wired hard lines can NOT. so weather its 2.4 ghz, 5 ghz, or 6.0 DECT ( which is in the works to be next) it can all be hacked. I have installed wired and wireless systems on both the US and Canadian sides of the border. You must not be that good of an IT professional if you think that wireline is the end-all for security. All it takes is an Ethernet jack and a packet sniffer. With physical access, anyone can do anything.
Of course, wireless makes it all the more easier, but it is most certainly not impossible to break into a wired connection, and once you have physical access it is easier to work with since 99% of the time there's no transport layer encryption or anything of the sort to speak of.
I'll also pay anyone who can break into WPA2/AES with 802.1X in any sort of reasonable amount of time to make it a worthwhile endeavor. Good luck.
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