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Re: OECD still using a flawed counting method said by tubbynet:of course, as someone who benefits from the us maintaining its status quo, i would expect you to dispute factual evidence as flawed as long as the major players keep their stock prices up. Every time the accusation of industry shill is trotted out, this will be the reply:
"This mode of reasoning is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem: attacking the person presenting the argument, instead of pointing out a flaw in their actual argument. It's a fallacy because even if the criticism of the person is true, his argument may still be valid. You can only tell if the argument is valid by examining the actual argument to see if it is actually valid.
Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It's a substitute for thinking. It's also 100% flawed reasoning: you don't arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented."
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Chandler, AZ | said by fAcEtIOUs:It's a fallacy because even if the criticism of the person is true, his argument may still be valid. but your "logical" reasoning is based solely on nothing but gut reaction. nowhere in the top 20 countries is there an argument for 10 children huddled around a flickering crt screen looking at youtube on a high speed connection. even post-cold war europe is advancing and while the economic downturn has hurt them severely, countries like lithuania, poland, and the czech republic are no longer the war-torn third world countries of the reagan-era that so many people in this country want us to go back to. unlike your normal posts, you did not provide any evidence to back up *why* you see the stats as flawed, you simply put it out there. my post, with evidence, refutes what i assume to be your "gut feeling". as such, i feel that you are simply promoting the status quo.
again, i present the material above. the household size is not that far off between countries. would it shift maybe a country up or down? possibly, but nothing major. the point is still made.
if you want to argue that the difference is due to the vast differences in land mass, go right ahead. the fact of the matter is you have people who are willing to pay for rural broadband (take a quick look at the costs for satellite or rural wisp internet), but the major carriers refuse to provide service and fight tooth and nail to make sure no one else can. you have a nation that is fascinated with "the free market" but fails to understand that even if you have a few carriers in any given market, you still have a nationwide oligopoly of providers that can dictates the nations broadband policy. its like opec, but because its the us, suddenly it is capitalism.
my above statement still stands, regardless of what type of attack you feel it is against you.
of course, the key phrase in your above post is
his argument may still be valid
what if it isn't?
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Technically, it's not an ad hominem attack to clarify that your positions are distorted by your financial investment into many of these companies. He also clearly countered your argument and offered data of his own. Which you ignored in order to pretend that you were offended. You're losing your edge, TK Junkmail (or whatever name you're using this week). As our resident and professional front page troll, we hold you to a higher standard of trolling... |
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| said by Karl Bode:"As our resident and professional front page troll, we hold you to a higher standard of trolling... Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It's a substitute for thinking. It's also 100% flawed reasoning: you don't arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented.
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Chandler, AZ | said by fAcEtIOUs:Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. that would have been true if i *only* called you a shill.
however, i refuted your argument *then* called you a shill. big difference in the order of operations....
we call all liken this to "holding you by the nose and kicking you in the pants".
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| said by tubbynet:said by fAcEtIOUs:Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. that would have been true if i *only* called you a shill. however, i refuted your argument *then* called you a shill. big difference in the order of operations.... It is still blatant flaming no matter what YOU call it.
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Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It's a substitute for thinking. It's also 100% flawed reasoning: you don't arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented.
Yeah, you cut and pasted that quote once already, but again, his post wasn't ad hominem, as the criticism of you being financially conflicted is legitimate. I've always kind of thought complaints of "ad hominem attacks" were a little intellectually lazy, myself. |
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Why is the front page only "penetrated" by Karl?
I'd really like some front page competition instead of just what Karl thinks of the news he posts.
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1 edit | said by DSLR Reader :
I'd really like some front page competition instead of just what Karl thinks of the news he posts.
I do my best - a devil's advocate. But that often draws personal attacks from those who believe Karl walks on water.
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Simple Answers to Simple Questions:
Because he owns the joint.
Do try to keep up. |
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2 edits | said by DSLR Reader :
Why does Karl hold a monopoly on front page news?
said by TScheisskopf:Simple Answers to Simple Questions: Because he owns the joint.
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