Re: I'm biased in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22430094 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:28:26 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:28:26 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22439729 Hangmn :
said by OverModded See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again?
May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description.
You DO realise what an asinine statement this is ..right? Southern U.S. judges in the 50's and 60's upheld Jim Crow Laws until RATIONAL LEGISLATION was made against it...
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said by sapo See Profile :

Google only meets one condition that make it sort of similar. It does not meet enough conditions to make it the same otherwise since if that was a valid point you would see sites like Google in deep water already.
Google has been in deep water with IP/copyright violations (see »chillingeffects.org/search.cgi or even search for "torrents" and scroll to the bottom where it talks about how they had to remove stuff due to DMCA). You just don't hear about it because Google has the ability to fight them off, the **AA and others are just like little money sucking mosquitos and google has the money to pay them so they never actually see a court room.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22438294 Sun, 24 May 2009 21:55:38 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22437575 Warez_Zealot :
said by OverModded See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again?
May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description.
Guess you don't subscribe to lady justice being blind?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22437575 Sun, 24 May 2009 18:02:21 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22437101 sapo : The only real similarity is that both have search engines. If you don't think the site purposely has pirated content then you are just playing possum and no one is that hard headed.

»thepiratebay.org/tv

For example, just look at the above link. Also as soon as Google directly provides you with a torrent download off its servers and uses their servers to direct you to the IP of a person with the same exact content you want it will never be the same.

Google only meets one condition that make it sort of similar. It does not meet enough conditions to make it the same otherwise since if that was a valid point you would see sites like Google in deep water already.

Thepiratebay facilities downloading pirated content down to everything but transferring the pirated content from its server. It is like being put in a room full of stuff with everyone wearing tags on them with what they have with them and the owner of the room only kicking out extreme things like child porn. The owner would also direct you to who you want to talk to knowingly if you asked them.

Google is just like the guy that knows everybody, if you ask him where to get an iPod he will let you know where to go but that site may not even exist anymore since Google doesn't facilitate all that stuff locally. Google may know all the stuff that's on piratebay but that's only because everyone knows about it so they tell you to go there. None of this is happening within Google facilities, simply pointing you to the place with the people who are facilitating these transfers.
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said by sapo See Profile :

It is not the same thing, try downloading a .torrent file from google.com site with a google.com tracker backing it. Without that it isn't the same, you can't just cherrypick which requirements you want it to meet so it can fit your argument.

Thepiratebay tracker connects people together specifically for trading a specific pirated file, google just indexes everything on the internet as usual.

When you visit thepiratebay the only thing you can do is find mostly pirated content and its nicely organized for you on purpose. When you visit google you can search for anything you want. Completely different intent and purpose.
Here is a question for you -
In a tracker, does any of the data actually pass through the tracker? If not, then google and the pirate bay are both pretty much the same thing.

When you do a search on TPB you download a torrent file with a tracker in it (perhaps TPB also hosts other torrents that lead to other trackers, which would only make this argument more cogent, I don't know as I don't use it so those who are familiar with TPB's policies please correct me). When you do a search on google you are also downloading a torrent with a tracker in it.
Using compare and contrast, both are search engines which you download a torrent which has a tracker in the torrent file. See how it is similar?
Differences?
TPB does indeed make it easier and more organized the torrents that are in their DB. But, did TPB really "intend" on hosting pirated material? According to another DSLR member TPB does indeed have legal content, which does lead me to believe that they didn't wake one day and say "hey [insert partners name] lets create a site that allows mass copyright violations". Even though the name seems to suggest that it was intended for pirated material, you still can't prove, without a doubt, that what the creators had in mind was to violate copyright law. Perhaps they just really liked pirates and dressed up everyday they programmed the site?
A phrase that exists in the English language "Don't judge a book by its cover." And the wonderful American right "Innocent until proven guilty."
If I were the judge over this case, the DA could not present any evidence that without a doubt the TPB admins were out to actually violate copyright. The only way to prove it is emails between them and/or other member encouraging them to create torrents that consisted of copyright material.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22436365 Sun, 24 May 2009 11:17:10 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22434873 sapo : It is not the same thing, try downloading a .torrent file from google.com site with a google.com tracker backing it. Without that it isn't the same, you can't just cherrypick which requirements you want it to meet so it can fit your argument.

Thepiratebay tracker connects people together specifically for trading a specific pirated file, google just indexes everything on the internet as usual.

When you visit thepiratebay the only thing you can do is find mostly pirated content and its nicely organized for you on purpose. When you visit google you can search for anything you want. Completely different intent and purpose.
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said by sapo See Profile :

said by Xioden See Profile :

But, you have to remember that TPB wasn't found guilty of distributing copyrighted material, but rather assisting in it.
Would you blame the yellow pages for assisting in drug distribution for indexing every residential number which happened to include drug dealers. I would whoever blame some guy who organizes drug dealers together and directs you to the appropriate one you want.
Which google does. Google "[Some Movie] Torrent" you find tons of links to said torrent from across a multitude of sites. And if google is infact caching the torrent files themselves, then they're doing the exact same thing as TPB, they're just going a step further and doing it for all the sites they've crawled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22434619 Sat, 23 May 2009 20:19:29 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22434368 sapo :
said by Xioden See Profile :

said by sapo See Profile :

Comparing Google and Piratebay is a weak argument as one has the obvious purpose of indexing torrent files and providing a tracker to pirate while one caches the whole internet basically and just has some pointers to torrent files.
But, you have to remember that TPB wasn't found guilty of distributing copyrighted material, but rather assisting in it.
Would you blame the yellow pages for assisting in drug distribution for indexing every residential number which happened to include drug dealers. I would whoever blame some guy who organizes drug dealers together and directs you to the appropriate one you want.
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said by sapo See Profile :

Comparing Google and Piratebay is a weak argument as one has the obvious purpose of indexing torrent files and providing a tracker to pirate while one caches the whole internet basically and just has some pointers to torrent files.
But, you have to remember that TPB wasn't found guilty of distributing copyrighted material, but rather assisting in it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22434179 Sat, 23 May 2009 18:16:45 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22434167 Xioden :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by Xioden See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless.
Sure you can, that's what the distributed database is for.
Which TPB torrents disable. So again, the torrent is worthless.
It's not a private tracker, and as far as I know it doesn't send the private tag back (And even if it does, the user can force it to be enabled anyway).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22434167 Sat, 23 May 2009 18:13:57 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22433698 sapo : Plus if the Piratebay tracker didn't exist in the first place that file wouldn't have been in DHT in the first place.

Comparing Google and Piratebay is a weak argument as one has the obvious purpose of indexing torrent files and providing a tracker to pirate while one caches the whole internet basically and just has some pointers to torrent files.

FYI: I use Piratebay and Usenet actively.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22433698 Sat, 23 May 2009 15:40:09 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22433189 RARPSL :
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n See Profile :

Here is some midnight reading for yeah- »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)

So that means, in theory, anyone on the free internet could easily start what the Pirate Bay did - however it probably wont be as fast or efficient. Therefore, your logic is flawed regarding that you need a single centralized tracker.
The function of a Centralized Tracker in a DHT system is to provide a list of the peers who currently are trading the file. Once you have this information, you can contact them to get updates on who is currently peering. Without that Centralize Tracker to prime the cache of peers, you must rely on the list in the torrent file you started with and depending on its age the listed IPNs may be stale and no longer seeding. Getting the torrent file from the tracker insures it is up-to-date and the provided IPNs are there to talk to you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22433189 Sat, 23 May 2009 12:49:37 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22432770 Matt :
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n See Profile :

Here is some midnight reading for yeah- »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)

So that means, in theory, anyone on the free internet could easily start what the Pirate Bay did - however it probably wont be as fast or efficient. Therefore, your logic is flawed regarding that you need a single centralized tracker.
I know all about DHT. But did you know the TPB torrents disable it so their torrent files absolutely cannot work without the TPB tracker?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22432770 Sat, 23 May 2009 10:44:26 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22432767 Matt :
said by Xioden See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless.
Sure you can, that's what the distributed database is for.
Which TPB torrents disable. So again, the torrent is worthless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22432767 Sat, 23 May 2009 10:43:24 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22432500 N10Cities : TKJunkMail, please stick with one userid or another...."LiamJunket"...we ain't buying it..... :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22432500 Sat, 23 May 2009 09:08:22 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22432486 k1ll3rdr4g0n :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by knightmb See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

And when any other sites like Google, Yahoo, MSN, and Ask host the .torrent files and offer bittorrent tracking services, your point might be valid.
They do in the cache, a torrent file is nothing more than text with trackers and the hash, so yeah, in a technical sense, they do host it. Point is still valid.

I figured I would throw this out,
Here is the data clip within the "Underworld Rise of the Lycans" torrent currently on the Pirate Bay, then followed by the Google cache (open it with a hex editor or something).

Yup, Google has the same thing, so technically, they are both Pirates?

Here is what google has in their cache:
»74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:N_-···nk&gl=us
You do realize that link points to the Pirate Bay right? Google didn't actually cache the .torrent file ...

Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless.
Here is some midnight reading for yeah- »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)

quote:
Alternatively, in a trackerless system (decentralized tracking) every peer acts as a tracker.

So that means, in theory, anyone on the free internet could easily start what the Pirate Bay did - however it probably wont be as fast or efficient. Therefore, your logic is flawed regarding that you need a single centralized tracker.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22432486 Sat, 23 May 2009 09:02:29 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22431828 Xioden :
said by Matt See Profile :

Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless.
Sure you can, that's what the distributed database is for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22431828 Sat, 23 May 2009 00:15:55 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22430950 Matt :
said by knightmb See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

And when any other sites like Google, Yahoo, MSN, and Ask host the .torrent files and offer bittorrent tracking services, your point might be valid.
They do in the cache, a torrent file is nothing more than text with trackers and the hash, so yeah, in a technical sense, they do host it. Point is still valid.

I figured I would throw this out,
Here is the data clip within the "Underworld Rise of the Lycans" torrent currently on the Pirate Bay, then followed by the Google cache (open it with a hex editor or something).

Yup, Google has the same thing, so technically, they are both Pirates?

Here is what google has in their cache:
»74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:N_-···nk&gl=us
You do realize that link points to the Pirate Bay right? Google didn't actually cache the .torrent file ...

Anyway, let's say they did but the Pirate Bay's tracker didn't exist ... can you still download that file? Nope, the .torrent is then worthless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22430950 Fri, 22 May 2009 20:46:00 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22430753 knightmb :
said by Matt See Profile :

And when any other sites like Google, Yahoo, MSN, and Ask host the .torrent files and offer bittorrent tracking services, your point might be valid.
They do in the cache, a torrent file is nothing more than text with trackers and the hash, so yeah, in a technical sense, they do host it. Point is still valid.

I figured I would throw this out,
Here is the data clip within the "Underworld Rise of the Lycans" torrent currently on the Pirate Bay, then followed by the Google cache (open it with a hex editor or something).

Yup, Google has the same thing, so technically, they are both Pirates?

Here is what google has in their cache:
»74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:N_-···nk&gl=us
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22430753 Fri, 22 May 2009 19:59:34 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22430628 Matt :
said by knightmb See Profile :

said by OverModded See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again?
May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description.
That's true, maybe against music and movie thieves, none which really applies to the Pirate Bay anymore than it applies to Google or MSN. When the Pirate Bay starts offering up the actual files that are the music/movie in question, then yeah, they will be roasted. Otherwise, you might as well make the same argument about Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask, and any other search engine that has an index of torrent files like the Pirate Bay.
And when any other sites like Google, Yahoo, MSN, and Ask host the .torrent files and offer bittorrent tracking services, your point might be valid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22430628 Fri, 22 May 2009 19:23:53 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22430430 KrK :
said by OverModded See Profile :

May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves.
Which the guys who run Pirate Bay AREN'T.
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said by OverModded See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again?
May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description.
That's true, maybe against music and movie thieves, none which really applies to the Pirate Bay anymore than it applies to Google or MSN. When the Pirate Bay starts offering up the actual files that are the music/movie in question, then yeah, they will be roasted. Otherwise, you might as well make the same argument about Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask, and any other search engine that has an index of torrent files like the Pirate Bay.
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said by OverModded See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again?
May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description.
It's not that they have natural bias, it's that they are members of copyright interest groups. WHich is a huge conflict of interest.
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said by OverModded See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again?
May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description.
I was referring more toward the fact that so far, three judges have all been a part of this same copyright group. This sounds like a trial in the backwoods of Mississippi, not Sweden.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22430106 Fri, 22 May 2009 17:21:13 EDT Re: I'm biased http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22430094 OverModded :
said by Matt See Profile :

I'm biased toward this all being hilarious. How big is Sweden again?
May be hard to find a judge anywhere that doesn't have a natural bias against music & movie thieves. Sort of goes with the job description.
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