delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15
| Need a T1 quote
If you are a Telarus rep, don't bother to respond. I can pull my own Geoquote.
I need a quote for the following location:
26840 Plummers Ln
Greensboro, MD 21639
410-482-xxxx
Looking for a T1 sub $400, free installation, no router required. |
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FreedomFire
join:2004-07-23
Chesapeake, VA
| If you "can pull your own GeoQuote" .... why the heck would you ask for quotes? If true, you already have access to more and better real time data than anyone else. Curious.
Unless you're looking only for KMart specials. Friendly advice .... beware of those though.
God Bless,
Michael Lemm
FreedomFire Communications
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delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15 | reply to delmarvawifi
That is not always the case.
I see on here all the time where other vendors not associated with Telarus offer lower prices. |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Longmont, CO
1 edit | reply to FreedomFire
said by FreedomFire  :If you "can pull your own GeoQuote" .... why the heck would you ask for quotes? If true, you already have access to more and better real time data than anyone else. Curious. Unless it's for a really long loop or a residential location, it's not too tough to beat "geoquote." |
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delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15 | reply to delmarvawifi
What pricing are you seeing Rocky? What carrier? |
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FreedomFire
join:2004-07-23
Chesapeake, VA
4 edits | reply to RockyBB
"Unless it was for a really long loop or a residential location, I can't remember the last time I couldn't beat an automated answer from your precious "geoquote" or "ShopforT1 . com" for an internet T1. As I can in this case, too."
{the above is your original post ... conveniently edited since then.}
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This shows a distinct lack of understanding of Telarus (the real name btw .... yet you continue with your sft1 stuff). Shows some other "things" too.
We've been selected the top Master Agency in the industry the last 2 years ... plus we do NOT do residential. And we do a whole lot more than internet T1. MUCH more.
You can't beat our prices from the same vendors ... that's our guarantee. Lower from some other vendors? Possible ... from Kmart providers as I stated. Since we cover all the top providers already ..... those you can't beat (btw, we don't list them all on the site either). And as you have so often mentioned yourself price isn't everything .... specificly when dealing with a Kmart source for a lower price.
As for the "automated answer" as you put it .... it is just the initial step and only a starting point in developing the best solution to meet the request ... it's not the final "answer". We go much farther with direct inside negotiations on your behalf. Again, you show a lack of understanding of Telarus.
"Precious" .... come on. Let's just say you don't like the competition and leave it at that. You don't like us ... we get it. But you don't have to throw barbs every chance you get. Especially curious since you inquired of me awhile ago about how to become a Telarus agent.
This was another person's inquiry .... I answered to him in that vein .... your 2-bits as stated were unwarranted, inanaccurate, and don't answer his question. You simply spew more anti-Telarus stuff at me.
BTW, I and Joe have beat you a number of times here. That is the real truth. We just don't say anything about it.
God Bless,
Michael Lemm
FreedomFire Communications
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FreedomFire
join:2004-07-23
Chesapeake, VA
2 edits | reply to delmarvawifi
"That is not always the case.
I see on here all the time where other vendors not associated with Telarus offer lower prices."
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You're right .... there are vendors not associated with Telarus who occassionally offer a lower price. But .... if Telarus is associated with all the top vendors (with all the associated guarantees, SLA, etc.) ... than who are these "other vendors". Thus my friendly warning to be careful of Kmart providers.
God Bless,
Michael Lemm
FreedomFire Communications
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bandwidthkiw
join:2008-03-12
Cary, NC
| reply to delmarvawifi
Looks like you need to lay down the cards on this one. I would like to see a quote from Michael on this as opposed to the regular request to submit on line (not that I have an issue with that)
Also - pretty sure KMart owns Sears and they have the tools of Nascar (watching the race if you haven't guessed already). Just because it is KMart does not mean it doesn't work.
Just one thing on circular arguments - Michael you stated that price isn't everything but also state you can't beat our price. If price isn't everything then what talk about how you cannot beat our price.
One last thing then I must get back to the race - the Telarus site states:
Proud member of the ShopFor Network: Cheap T1 Rates, Cheap DSL Rates, IP PBX, PBX Phone System Dealer
Shopfor DSL, Shopfor T1, Shopfor DS1, Shopfor DS3, Shopfor T3, Shopfor OC3, Shopfor Point to Point,
Shopfor Frame Relay, Cheap Long Distance Rates, PBX Phone System, and T1 Service
so I guess the ShopFor reference is still valid
Actually - one last thing after that. I must admit that I do not like knowing that people are getting quotes from the Telarus group as price wise they are very hard to beat. Of course - price isn't everything 
Cheers |
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delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15
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RockyBB has quoted me $350 per month.
I am really just interested in a quote. This is a remote tower location for my WISP. I need to get the order in ASAP and nobody has really answered my question yet.
Michael, If you can beat $350 per month on a 3 year let me know ASAP.
I don't need a router - we will provide that.
T1 and a /29 of IP's is fine for this application. |
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bandwidthkiw
join:2008-03-12
Cary, NC | reply to delmarvawifi
Looks like RockyBB has Freedomfire by $50/month according to the Freedomfire web site
This is fun - much better than the rained out race in Charlotte.
Cheers |
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delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15 | reply to delmarvawifi
This is why Freedomfire bothers me so much. He acts like he can give a better quote then drops off the face of the earth.
Another forum member PM'd me with $325 per month to this location, 2 year term, from a Tier1 provider. |
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FreedomFire
join:2004-07-23
Chesapeake, VA
1 edit | said by delmarvawifi :This is why Freedomfire bothers me so much. He acts like he can give a better quote then drops off the face of the earth. Another forum member PM'd me with $325 per month to this location, 2 year term, from a Tier1 provider. My apologies Del .... I didn't drop of the face of the earth. I'm not ignoring you. It was the holiday weekend you know. Plus I'm a Vet (23 years) and so is my father-in-law (43 yrs). Memorial day has special meaning in my family. We participate accordingly.
Also, I've been traveling for the State high school baseball playoffs the last couple days. The families with younger sons and brothers of kids I used to coach invited me. They haven't been this good since the kids I coached. Kinda special that they all still remember "coach" and wanted me there.
Anyway .... I just looked it up and bandwidthkiw did hit my site and I didn't catch it. He used my name as the contact, my company as the company, admin@dslreports.com as the email contact, bogus phone contact, etc. So the system trashed the record into the junk file. Which is why I didn't see it.
It's also why nothing was done with it. If someone isn't serious we won't be either. Submit trash and we won't put in the extra effort to get you the best solution (everything considered including price). I'm not wasting my time.
Meaning all he got was the instant quote with no follow-up ..... in other words the public quotes and not the negotiated private quotes and above and beyond assistance. As I tried to explain .... just the instant quote is an incomplete process without the whole thing.
The point I was trying to make to you about price is this ..... to be careful if you're shopping on price alone. You risk getting a lower quality circuit with no bandwidth availability guarantee and no uptime guarantee. Or worse.
That's what I mean by Kmart vendors .... might meet your lowest price requirement but not your performance needs. You'll end up "paying" more later in dollars and hassles.
This also plays into my reiterating a point Rocky has made here many times .... price isn't everything. THAT IS HIS COMMENT .... I just repeated it.
I was only offering a friendly piece of advice to be careful. The majority of "cheaper" price circuits you might see are "locals" who won't meet the non-cost related requirements you'll have (SLAs etc.). A few may yes .... hopefully you might find one of those. They are very rare though.
Who is offering $350 a month for this location? Answer: a second or third tier carrier, where comparing Telarus carriers against them is like wondering why a 1968 VW costs less than a 2009 Lexus. A real customer will understand the benefit to him of comparing apples to apples, which this is not doing.
I honestly don't believe you got a $325 quote for 2 years from a Tier 1 provider. Care to share from who (carrier)? Care to share what is left out to get that $325?
BTW, for this location, this far off the beaten track, my best non-router pricing with no extra negotiations is $405 with no install fee for 3 years. I'm not going to put any more effort into getting it lower. Wouldn't be a good thing for either of us. I won't compromise the quality just to get you a lower price. Your business needs to get the best combination of everything including cost. THAT is what I mean by best price. And THAT is what I deliver.
God Bless,
Michael Lemm
FreedomFire Communications
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bandwidthkiw
join:2008-03-12
Cary, NC
| reply to delmarvawifi
Micheal
All respect you and your father and the other veterans (I served for an overseas military at one point)
All that aside (I really am having fun with this)
I too would love to know who offered $325/month - Tier 1 is a very lose term these days - I am guessing that RockyBB has QWest pricing (maybe ACC) - good carriers - am also guessing your $405/month (which by the way matches what I got from putting in a trash lead - actually the bogus lead gave me $400/month) is also Qwest or ACC.
Not sure how a Tier2 carrier is a 68 beetle (preferred drive of serial killers I believe) and a Tier 1 is a 2009 Lexus - some of the Tier 2s are closer to a 2009 Daewoo when compared to a 2009 Lexus (why can't we use American cars for analogies - oh, that's right, just realized)
One last thing - just a personal issue I have - don't like it when someone else demands to see someones cards but won't show their own. I think a lot of people could learn from you, Rocky and delmarvawifi letting us know who the pricing is from - and no one dare use that confidentiality bs. I know I can get close to RockyBB with Qwest however 'not gonna do it'
Let's see all y'all cards
Cheers
By the way - if you are taking all this too seriously, then you are taking this too seriously. |
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delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15
| reply to delmarvawifi
I am a Telarus VAR not a closer. My closer emailed me an automated quote at $400. I asked about agressive pricing and was told maybe $10 - $20 better. I received a quote for Qwest who I have been told is Tier 1 for $325 per month HOWEVER, their paperwork looked much like ACC and I'm not interested in jumping through those hoops for a $400 a month circuit.
The funny part is, Michael who I have critized in the past and will continue to do so because of all the false promises he makes, ends up still $5 more expensive than an automated Geoquote. |
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FreedomFire
join:2004-07-23
Chesapeake, VA
2 edits | "The funny part is, Michael who I have critized in the past and will continue to do so because of all the false promises he makes, ends up still $5 more expensive than an automated Geoquote." Sigh .... you just don't get it Del.
False promises? That's pure horse pucky. Those kinds of vitriolic comments add no value to any discussion. Especially when they're totally false. My partner and I have never promised anything we haven't delivered on. If you want a professional discussion .... be professional. Your incendiary tone is far from that.
In fact ... we are consistently in the top 3 in Telarus for sales and retention. Retention is the key in my book. It means we provide the best solution to meet the full spectrum of the clients requirement (perfomance, reliability, circuit support, etc.). Everything is considered that is supposed to be .... not ONLY cost.
Will we find the lowest price we can? Yes, but ONLY with everything else part of the effort and factored in.
Our position is just like Rocky who I think has a great perspective on "price isn't everything". He routinely reminds folks not to overlook circuit performance, support, and quality aspects in their decision. The best solution isn't always the cheapest one. I respect that he promotes that message. It's honest and realistic.
FYI, I did have the initial automated $400 quote (Airspring) and chose the $405 as the better solution (PNG). So that is what I shared.
I say again ... we advise on the BEST SOLUTION. That includes the best combination of price, performance, reliability etc.
Making a buying decision solely on cost (ignoring all quality needs/requirements) is bad for business (the clients business). Focusing on making a sale solely on cost (ignoring all quality needs/requirements) is also bad for business (for us).
If quality is not part of the equation .... understanding and ensuring that the recommended solution meets the requirements the business needs from a functional standpoint .... you have a lose-lose situation. Client and us.
I did not drill down in further (go the extra steps for aggressive pricing) as it would have been a waste of time just for this "discussion" thread. I won't do so now either. You can have your Telarus closer do that. I've better things to do with my time.
Good luck in your search. Hopefully maybe now you understand where I'm coming from. But I won't hold my breath.
God Bless,
Michael Lemm
FreedomFire Communications
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FreedomFire
join:2004-07-23
Chesapeake, VA
1 edit | reply to bandwidthkiw
So you served too? For who (you said overseas)? Anyway, good on ya shipmate. Not everyone does ... not everyone can. For a reason.
"By the way - if you are taking all this too seriously, then you are taking this too seriously." Good point. Thanks.
God Bless,
Michael Lemm
FreedomFire Communications
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