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Re: [Rant] Logitech Quality has gotten far worse
I'm still using an M-S69 (and the original keyboard) I got with my Gateway from 8 years ago. Both used for hours 7 days a week, moved to my new pc last year.
My wife also uses her original keyboard and mouse (from an identical Gateway) on her new Dell. The Dell's keyboard and mouse were too flimsy feeling for her.
This may prove your point about older stuff being higher quality.
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MikeA1972
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Never had a problem with Logitech. Still use an old optical mouse, must be 8 years old now..never a problem. Still use an old Navigator keyboard, same age.. again, no problems. Logitech speakers about 7 years old, work like new. Very satisfied with Logitech. |
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La Luna
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I know this topic is basically about mice, but someone else mentioned it and I have to agree.....it drives me nuts when the letters wear off the keyboards, UGH. I've had that happen to every keyboard I've had (Microsoft and Logitech). I think I'm working on my third or fourth right now. The keyboard itself works fine, but the damn letters are gone from the most used keys. I can type fine without them, but it looks crappy and other people who occasionally use my computer have issues with not being able to see the lettering.
Why can't they make the lettering so it doesn't come off? 
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BlitzenZeus
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| They changed the method to a cheaper, and faster method considering the avg lifetime of a package consumer computer usually is 4-5 years unless the people don't do much more than browsing the web and e-mail. However all of these were the cheap oem keyboards to begin with. Instead of methods like laser etching they used silk screening, or other similar methods.
I have a museum of keyboards...
An very old Logitech rf Cordless, still works to this day, ps2 connection, and even came with an AT adapter for those with older motherboards. Most computers still have ps2 connections, but most people don't even really use them anymore. This keyboard was made with the older methods, the keys are not quiet, the letters were etched into each key. I didn't intentionally replace it, I got another desktop set for another computer, and once that old computer was no longer worth using I just retired that keyboard.
I also have the logitech rf cordless sitting around from the above desktop set I mentioned, the mice no longer worked as it should. I replace this keyboard as I wanted something with a longer range to use across the room.
I got the mx 5000 bluetooth set to control my pc from across the room to control some audio software, and even connect to a tv as a monitor at times. Again, mouse needed to be replaced, however this was in the warranty period so they sent me a new desktop set, since the 5000 was no longer available they sent me the 5500 set.
I'm currently using the 5500 keyboard, and mouse for the main reason of it only takes one usb port. The 5500 keyboard is much lighter than the 5000, but has little things fixed that I found annoying about the old one so that is another reason why I use it.
This doesn't include the two corded logitech keyboards I have laying around, but I always keep a corded device around when I use wireless devices. I'm good on having batteries at hand, but you never know when something can go wrong.
So to summarize, I have three cordless keyboards, 2 rf, 1 bluetooth sitting around, and one corded usb keyboard sitting around.
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Grail Knight
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quote:
Why can't they make the lettering so it doesn't come off?
They could but the cost would shoot up.
I did this for my Logitech MX 3000 keyboard.
Popped off the keys and put them on waxed paper then sprayed them with a coat of Super Clear plasti kote paint.
Same thing w/ the mouse. Removed the shell and sprayed it.
All said about 45 minutes worth of time and a quarters worth of plasti kote.
The lettering so far looks just as good as it did when I first bought it. Same with the mouse.
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dvd536
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said by HuKaShI  :So when this mouse fails again in about a year, i'll just call in again and get a new one!!! Kind of blows away their scheme of cheaping out in manufacturing.
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does the warranty period "reset" with the new replacement device or is it whats left on the original device?
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said by La Luna :I know this topic is basically about mice, but someone else mentioned it and I have to agree.....it drives me nuts when the letters wear off the keyboards, UGH. I've had that happen to every keyboard I've had (Microsoft and Logitech). I think I'm working on my third or fourth right now. The keyboard itself works fine, but the damn letters are gone from the most used keys. I can type fine without them, but it looks crappy and other people who occasionally use my computer have issues with not being able to see the lettering. Why can't they make the lettering so it doesn't come off? Have you looked into the possibility of seeking out an older keyboard with laser-etched (or, better yet, dual injection molded) keycaps and swapping keycaps with your newer one?
I don't know what the stems of the keycaps for the newer keyboards look like, but it might be worth rummaging around a local thrift store or two to see if you could do this. [shrugs]
Are there any keyboard manufacturers that now boast about using laser-etched keys on their keyboards? I mean, have keyboards now been cheaped-out to the point where having laser-etched keys is considered a major bragging point?
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BlitzenZeus
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My replacement wireless mouse(mx revolution) isn't doing so great, I've had it for a month, the middle button(scroll wheel) seems to be getting looser with use, and pressing down the scroll wheel is only intermittent unless you really hold it down. I had to go back to using it as I had been using it for years with all my other mice. It will also respond more than once at times when pressing it down once. Seems like yet another poor design for a scroll wheel.
So I've opened up my old mouse, and I'm gonna try to replace the battery.
The battery doesn't need to be soldered as long as I can find another with the same connector, it has a standard connection as long as the polarity is the same, otherwise I can just twist wires to change the polarity. I can probably find something pretty easily, 1700 mah li-ion, 4.2v, as long as it's able to accept the same type of charge.
Seriously Logitech can't tell me where to find this battery when some oem even put a Logitech sticker on it for them??
Talk about planned obsolesce, and e-waste from something so easily replaceable.
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Mr Neutron
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| said by BlitzenZeus :Seriously Logitech can't tell me where to find this battery when some oem even put a Logitech sticker on it for them?? Talk about planned obsolesce, and e-waste from something so easily replaceable. That could well be the idea. Personally, I've never been a fan of products that use non-user replaceable batteries (e.g. couldn't Logitech have perhaps built a AA/AAA battery compartment into the device instead?) and your post helps illustrate why. It's not so much the e-waste that bothers me as much as the idea of flushing money away by having to toss something that can be fairly easily fixed does.
Like: »www.sewardweb.com/applepromouse/
Of course, it's only fair to acknowledge that Logitech only makes money when they sell end users new gear, not when they help them to maintain their old stuff.
Anyway, if Logitech can't/won't tell you where to find a replacement battery, why not start an "identify this battery" thread under General Questions and see if one of the geeks knowledgeable folks who frequent the forum can help to identify the battery?
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