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Tzale
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reply to Kiwi

Re: Just wondering if the South still exists?

When was the last time you heard of the South doing anything? LOL...


McSummation
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The last time I ate some of that vinegar based stuff, it made me sick.

There are some really good BBQ joints in central Texas. Cooper's in Llano is one of the best.

When talking to new residents about BBQ, I tell them, "Good BBQ doesn't come from a clean place. If it's not smoky and a little 'dirty', it would be any good. In general, the grungier the place, the better the BBQ." Now, having said that, if it's too dirty, the health department might need to be called.

The best BBQ I've had in years was: feral hog (killed the day before), pit roasted, served on big plates out under a pecan tree on the bank of the Frio River downstream from Concan, TX. There were a couple of piggies and a cabrito in there, too, but the big old hog was the best. For dessert, we had "camp cobbler" of the peach variety. Man, was that a party. Folks from all over the world attended. (It was a "welcome to Texas" party for the new daughter-in-law of an old friend of mine. The party was on one of the ancestral ranches.)


RWild
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reply to McSummation
said by McSummation:

Another difference between Texas and other places in the South that are more eastern is BBQ/barbecue/barbque (however you want to spell it). Ours is better than yours.
Having grown up in Memphis, I have to take strong exception!. Hell, you Texans think BBQ is beef!


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said by McSummation:

The last time I ate some of that vinegar based stuff, it made me sick.

There are some really good BBQ joints in central Texas. Cooper's in Llano is one of the best.

When talking to new residents about BBQ, I tell them, "Good BBQ doesn't come from a clean place. If it's not smoky and a little 'dirty', it would be any good. In general, the grungier the place, the better the BBQ." Now, having said that, if it's too dirty, the health department might need to be called.

The best BBQ I've had in years was: feral hog (killed the day before), pit roasted, served on big plates out under a pecan tree on the bank of the Frio River downstream from Concan, TX. There were a couple of piggies and a cabrito in there, too, but the big old hog was the best. For dessert, we had "camp cobbler" of the peach variety. Man, was that a party. Folks from all over the world attended. (It was a "welcome to Texas" party for the new daughter-in-law of an old friend of mine. The party was on one of the ancestral ranches.)
Nice!! We have what are called "Pig Pickin's" which is essentially the same thing, though I don't know if the hog was feral or not, but yeah...thats good stuff, man. Every year a friend of ours has a loosely based Luau party. She provides the pit and the pig. A lot of the guys hang out and cook it all night, playing cards, etc and then have it at the party the next day. Everyone else brings sides, etc.....its a good time.
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RWild
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After living in the Carolinas for almost thirty years, I still much prefer the Memphis-style, tomato-based BBQ.


McSummation
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Oh, read my other post about hog, piggies and cabrito. We eat all that plus bovines.

You know, californians might ... Nah, probably taste like plastic.


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reply to RWild
I still love me some NC style BBQ. That is the style I grew up on. Louisiana has good food, but I haven't found a decent BBQ since I have been here. Also the lack of country ham drives me nuts. I have to stock up when I go visit my Mom.
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RWild
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said by McSummation:

Oh, read my other post about hog, piggies and cabrito. We eat all that plus bovines.

You know, californians might ... Nah, probably taste like plastic.
Must have posted that while I was still typing. BTW, wore my cabrito-skin boots the other day - nice and soft.

BTW, when I used to drive between Hobbs, NM and the Odessa/Midland airport, I noticed a lot of German bakeries on the way. Interesting that Germans, Swedes, and Czechs would settle in such dry country.


McSummation
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There are a lot of them in central Texas. They got "rights" to land here in the mid-1800's. Since they couldn't own land where they came from, this was like Eden to them, even if it did get hot in the summer.


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... a damn yankee is one who moved down here and won't go back home!
Where I grew up, damnyankee was one word. I didn't know it was supposed to be 2 words until I was grown. One that won't go home is also called a "carpetbagger".

There are 2 active railroads in this area. One is the "Austin something or other". One was the Missouri-Pacific until recently, called MoPac for short. One of our freeways is named MoPac because it is built on both sides of the track. One rail that has had the track pulled up was the Missouri-Kansas-Texas, otherwise known as The Katy. Some fool carpetbagger that didn't know the difference, started calling it "The MoKan". It has taken decades to get rid of that name.


tmh

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There's nothing wrong with the plastic women in the west!...lol
If I'd wanted plastic women, I'd buy a blow up dolly.

No wait, I have one...


Thespis
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Good link!
I grew up about 15 miles from Weimar...

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Well apparently, the South does exist had doubts for a wee bit, particularly when the map shrunk. Always thought anything south of the Mason Dixon was South, apparently that's not entirely true though, CA is not on my list of "South" where FL is. Certainly some places mentioned are decidedly absent for South Central, MS and TN could have been included?

Now, food -That's liable to get pretty deep in a hurry...LOL

Still a few faces missing around here, *Squints* with a *Smile*.


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I agree, those "northerners" divided up the south *gasps*

BTW the best BBQ is in Tennessee


tvtek
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said by tmh :

said by tvtek:

There's nothing wrong with the plastic women in the west!...lol
If I'd wanted plastic women, I'd buy a blow up dolly.

No wait, I have one...
Aren't you too old to play with dollies? LOL
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Real men, play with real woman, the rest make do.

HEY, it's clearing up after ten weeks of messed up weekends, the South has relented and tomorrow looks like Southern fried catfish, crappy (why are they not spelled Croppy? ) and or Bass; roasted baked...What ever, I love re fried beans and I know that's rather deep South not Southern, but corn bread is in the wings with of course peppers Corn on the TN cob, LA crawfish.

Speaking of hot peppers I have started a trend locally (Actually three years ago) BBQ burgers with peppers, to die for if home made.


Koil
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said by Kiwi:

Speaking of hot peppers I have started a trend locally (Actually three years ago) BBQ burgers with peppers, to die for if home made.
Hmmm...got a recipe?


Thespis
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said by Tzale:

When was the last time you heard of the South doing anything? LOL...
Drive much? We probably made your gasoline...


McSummation
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There's an even higher probability that the natural gas that heats his house or makes his electricity came from the South, namely Texas or Oklahoma.


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said by Thespis:

said by Tzale:

When was the last time you heard of the South doing anything? LOL...
Drive much? We probably made your gasoline...
Most the gasoline around here comes from south of Suisun Bay. Except for that which comes from Benicia (north of Suisun Bay).
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Thespis
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said by NormanS:

Most the gasoline around here comes from south of Suisun Bay. Except for that which comes from Benicia (north of Suisun Bay).
That's nice.
Tzale lives in New Jersey...
BTW, California does import gasoline. There are a couple of places that make the California blend. Finland and Corpus Christie, TX...

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said by Koil:

said by Kiwi:

Speaking of hot peppers I have started a trend locally (Actually three years ago) BBQ burgers with peppers, to die for if home made.
Hmmm...got a recipe?
Yep. Now excuse me, I had to take my fifteen month old Grand daughter on her first real lake trip. OT The sun shone brightly and she is fair skinned with blond, strawberry hair, needles to say I was more concerned with her than fishing. Fish were caught though, just not by me. They had to be released because they were all to small for the skillet; baby girl loved the fish, the wind rushing past at high speed (Normally I don't do that, but she was having too much fun). We are all pretty tired....

Anyway, home cooked burger for six @ least, no less than four, fresh of course:

The applied maximum amount of non diet ground beef. (NO. no -not bean supplement...LOL)
1/4 cup flour.
1 large egg
Teaspoon of "Six Peppers" / Salt to taste, a fair heavy sprinkling in my neck of the woods.
1/3 a teaspoon of Cilantro
One chopped clove of garlic, ground up successfully in Southern style.
...Now, scare your pants off -Marmite (Can be bought locally), two tablespoons. Not everybody appreciates this 'luxury' and can skip it and use one tablespoon of Worcester sauce.
One heaped table spoon of A1 sauce (Original)

Always, always have to add bacon, the more the better.
Non plastic cheese; a slice of sharp Cheddar and a slice of mozzarella.

Sounds complicated, but it's really not. Add hot sliced peppers onto the lettuce.Walla, a great meal.

Huge Sesame buns, lettuce and tomatoes, nothing else is needed.

BTW -The South makes a lot of 'Stuff' unfortunately unless it's from LA; you don't get to eat it; right now the South does more than the North, if one excludes free tax rides.

Er, no plastic woman as a rule, either.


MrMaster
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I like the food here but I think Texas is just a different animal all on it's own. It's a little southwest and a little southern but I would never mistake it for a Tennessee or Alabama.

and I guess I am a carpetbagger cause I don't plan on moving back to the Midwest.
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Never really had a problem with any of the States I stayed in (Most), the food is certainly different though from one State to another, at least in terms of what each considers a staple everyday fare.

I wonder if there are links that discern the differences?

The most enjoyable meals State side was in Dallas and New Orleans. Always wanted to have a go at the top East for seafood, but as yet have not had a chance.

The Dixy Line seems to change...LOL The MidWest like every other place has it's ups and downs, kids hold me here, but were I live a little culture would go a long way. Real International news is pretty much absent, if not for the net and that also shows around here. "In the World today...." /insert the State.

So, how far North does one go before they leave the South, from West to East...


Koil
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The Mason-Dixon is generally a good indicator.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason-Dixon_Line

Kiwi
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Darn sight shorter than I thought, live and learn.


McSummation
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When it was surveyed, the western end of it was "out in the wilderness" by quite a few miles.

One thing to remember is that Maryland, West Virginia, and Kentucky were not part of the Confederate States of America, even though they are south of the Mason-Dixon Line. I usually include Kentucky when I think of "The South", whereas Maryland and WV are not.