http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22445996 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:27:15 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:27:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22471880 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22471880 Sun, 31 May 2009 08:08:25 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22471018 said by JohnInSJ:

Do you really want to give up that right?
Oh, no I agreed with the ruling just didn't agree that gay marriage ban was constitutional but I guess that will be up to 5 people ;).
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The question isn't about WHAT we voted on. Its on the right of the people to set their constitution, or 7 judges.

Do you really want to give up that right?
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Still, I guess its better then 7 people deciding for all of us. At least to me it is.

Regardless of WHAT they were deciding, they shouldn't count more then 51% of us.

Get it?
I guess I read too many comic books growing up but I think it depends on whether you believe equal protection is a fundamental right. If you counted on the popular vote for fundamental rights for minorities jim crow laws would still likely be in effect in the south and people would have no firearms. Personally I think governments should leave marriages to churches and only do civil unions.

If that doesn't work gays could always organize into a religion and use religious protection laws against their oppressors. ;)
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"Keep your fundie guard up. They'll be looking to slip a shiv between your ribs first chance they see."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22470736 Sat, 30 May 2009 21:45:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22470269
Still, I guess its better then 7 people deciding for all of us. At least to me it is.

Regardless of WHAT they were deciding, they shouldn't count more then 51% of us.

Get it?

PS - we choose the leader of our country on less then 51% majority popular votes, quite often. Fun, isn't it?

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un···e_margin
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My place : »www.schettino.us]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22470269 Sat, 30 May 2009 19:42:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22468789 said by Just Rachel:

The people voted. Why should it not be upheld?? :uhh:
It an argument about the tyranny of the majority when it comes to discrimination and the rights of others. You have a minority looking for equal rights for their relationships under the law and lets face it they're not the most loved minority in the world. For example when you want to say something is stupid you call it gay.

Now you have the rights of this unpopular minority decided by a 51% majority vote.
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"Keep your fundie guard up. They'll be looking to slip a shiv between your ribs first chance they see."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22468789 Sat, 30 May 2009 12:40:31 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22459544 Prop 8 decision to be rendered tuesday..post your prediction
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Yo te digo, el mundo esta jodido]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22459544 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:58:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22459066
Democracy. Mostly it sucks.
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bobrk]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22458906 Thu, 28 May 2009 15:28:32 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22458829
You don't like the result of a vote, keep putting things to the vote until you get the result you want. You sure don't want to *both* win a vote and then win a court fight afterwards to overturn that vote.

The next vote will be to turn out the bums on the court that think they know the will of the people better then the people who bother to vote. Because near as I can tell, that's a right everyone has, shares, and should defend.
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My place : »www.schettino.us]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22458829 Thu, 28 May 2009 15:15:31 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22458472 said by RR Conductor:

I guess you better call me, my family, millions of Mormons (my faith), Cathliocs, Jews, most African Americans, Muslims and others bigots too then Davis. If you want to see bigotry, look at the hate that was/is being spewed from the anti 8 side towards the pro 8 side. I am saddened you choose to depict us as bigots, because we aren't, in fact, my family are some of the most loving, kind and caring people you will ever meet, we just happen to believe marriage should only be between a man and a woman.
Pretty much all of the Jews I know and at the reform temple did not support pro 8. Quite a few moderate catholics did not support it, too.
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I've got nothing :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22458472 Thu, 28 May 2009 14:06:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22454705 We "the people" voted on it. If we wanted it any differently we would have voted differently.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22454705 Wed, 27 May 2009 20:43:43 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22450332
Not particular to this issue or any other, but that's how our system works. When the results of a vote are overturned, it reduces faith in the system and puts us one step closer to anarchy.
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I think maybe the court has learned not to overturn the vote. Maybe.

Now, we can discuss the details of what we vote on next. For now, I'm glad the court agrees we the people get to decide what our constitution says.

Yay, democracy.
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The Court would not invalidate the marriages that took place in the interim between their first ruling and the Prop 8 vote.

The California Supreme Court was caught in a bad spot on this, their first ruling claimed the right to marry was a "fundamental right", and they had the chance to reinforce that stand if they really believed they were correct, but the Court was not going to ride roughshod over the will of the voters who expressed their will in two different votes, one before the first ruling and one after.

Edit: So much for the "brave new world" they expected to receive accolades for after the first decision...now they managed to look indecisive and angered both sides. End Edit.

The state government could have avoided all this by simply creating civil unions. Marriage would be handled by the Church but the civil union paperwork would be the required and registered document filed with the govt.

This case will be taken to the Federal Supreme Court, a ruling there will be the final word for some time IF they decide to review it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22449037 Tue, 26 May 2009 22:10:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448978 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448978 Tue, 26 May 2009 22:00:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448934 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448934 Tue, 26 May 2009 21:51:47 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448931 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448931 Tue, 26 May 2009 21:50:36 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448922 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448922 Tue, 26 May 2009 21:48:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448205 --
Just when you think it's over, it's just beginning.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22448205 Tue, 26 May 2009 19:16:51 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22447899 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22447899 Tue, 26 May 2009 18:18:47 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Calif-upholds-gay-marriage-ban-22445996 said by SFGate :

The state Supreme Court has upheld a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, but also decided that the estimated 18,000 gay couples who tied the knot before the law took effect will stay wed.All I have to say is that the bigots of our state have spoken and our state's highest court has decided to uphold this treachery upon minorities.
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