Throttling on Primus? in Canadian Broadband http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22456166 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:01:14 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:01:14 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649301 sbrook : look at the third post from the beginning on page 1 of this thread. Your answer is there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649301 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:29:45 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649292 anon : Any way to tell if one is on Bell or Primus DSLAM? Is it possible to get switched to Primus DSLAM?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649292 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:28:23 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647160 TBBPM :
said by CanerisErik See Profile :

If you're implementing this by breaking DNS, then I would disagree; you would be doing more harm than good. However, if customers can just use another DNS server or otherwise permanently opt-out, then it essentially becomes a non-issue even for those who don't like it.
First of all, there is a permanent (not cookie based) opt-out.
Secondly, I do not believe there is any limitation on DNS server customer would like to use (but this is for a a bit more advanced users). Bottom line is that we will not force anything on anyone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647160 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:26:02 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646347 CanerisErik :
said by TBBPM See Profile :

I think what Primus is doing is more customer friendly than current "Page cannot be displayed"...
If you're implementing this by breaking DNS, then I would disagree; you would be doing more harm than good. However, if customers can just use another DNS server or otherwise permanently opt-out, then it essentially becomes a non-issue even for those who don't like it.
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Erik - Caneris - Internet solutions and more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646347 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:23:39 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645747 TBBPM :
said by artich0ke See Profile :

In what is considered to be a clear violation of Net Neutrality, Primus Canada has begun redirecting customers "Server not found pages" to webpages laden with Primus advertising.

The hijacking of webpages by Primus appears to be attempt by the company to cash in on Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) technology implemented earlier this year.

The "Cannot Find Server" web page is typically shown to a user when they type in a web address that does not exist. The purpose of the page is to inform the user that a lookup error has occurred so the web surfer can change the web address and proceed to the correct website.

By using DPI technology, Primus redirects invalid requests and serves up an ad laden webpage rather than allowing the informative "Cannot find server" web page to be displayed.

»www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/3851/280/
Ok, let me add my 2 cents...

1. To set the record straight: DPI is not related to this at all.
2. What is being done:
- When customer mistypes URL, instead of a difficult to decipher "Page cannot be displayed" page with 8 bullet points and terms like SSL, TLS, PCT, we are showing the page that
a) Clearly states that typed website is not available
b) Provides suggestions of what customer might be looking for (organic search)
c) Provides a way to search from the same page
d) Contains few sponsored links, just the same way Google or Bing would do it
e) Has a clear way to opt-out of this service, if customer, because of any reason, does not like it.
- We are testing out 2 different providers of this service and will eventually select one that has the highest level of customer satisfaction / lowest number of opt-outs (and we currently have very very few opt-outs, in single digits).
3. Unlike some other ISPs, our opt-out is not cookie based, which means that your opt-out is done on account level and will stand even if you have deleted the cookies or reinstalled the browser.

I think what Primus is doing is more customer friendly than current "Page cannot be displayed"...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645747 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:22:55 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645387 artich0ke : In what is considered to be a clear violation of Net Neutrality, Primus Canada has begun redirecting customers "Server not found pages" to webpages laden with Primus advertising.

The hijacking of webpages by Primus appears to be attempt by the company to cash in on Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) technology implemented earlier this year.

The "Cannot Find Server" web page is typically shown to a user when they type in a web address that does not exist. The purpose of the page is to inform the user that a lookup error has occurred so the web surfer can change the web address and proceed to the correct website.

By using DPI technology, Primus redirects invalid requests and serves up an ad laden webpage rather than allowing the informative "Cannot find server" web page to be displayed.

»www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/3851/280/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645387 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:10:40 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642464 bobo22 : Yes, I called plenty of times and it's pretty hard to get an agent to talk with within the ten minutes since dialing the number.

Most of the times, the agents will tell me to repeat the same procedures (clear cache, restart modem, etc) even though I tell them that's not the issue and that I already did them. I understand that they have to follow a certain protocol, but it's terrible IMO.

Concerning the throttling... I can't watch videos on youtube, usenet is really slow (barely peaks @ 100kB/s), the rendering of websites is sometimes slower. QoS is messed up!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642464 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:26:18 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22631334 anon : Guys, I read this thread and (try to take no offense) but I see a lot of whining. For starters, the DNS issue with the news server couple weeks back - did any of you actually bother to *call* them and complain? After all, this is a service we're paying for. I sure did and guess what? They told me I was the first one who contacted them about it. Now, if we all just keep quiet about it, what's gonna happen is they'll go the "Rogers route" - if you don't recall, Rogers cancelled their news feed few years back saying "hey, nobody uses it!". So, if you do use it and like - you gotta harass them when it's down - simple as that. Same with the authentication issue this weekend. Obviously there was a problem on their side, if it doesn't get fixed after a few hours, maybe it's time to let them know.

As for the throttling issue, just an observation - I have a feeling that this latest "throttle attack" we've experienced is directly related to all the kids finishing school - I had a day off on friday and even at 1pm the service was getting throttled big time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22631334 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:15:01 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22629692 Solveman : I've been without usenet access now on my Primus account since Friday (June26). Prior to this 'outage', newsgroups worked flawlessly for me for at least the last two years. There were some minor issues, but they were quickly resolved...

Today, I keep getting told in my newsgroup program that my account password is incorrect, which is false as I've had the same account info for years now. I tried re-entering my password to see if it made a difference and it didn't. Thus, I guess there is an issue on the news.primus.ca end when it comes to authentication?

My speed tests check out as normal on the 5Mb profile (on Bell DSLAM) and browsing for the most part is as expected; same with torrents - connection is maxed out except during the throttling period from Bell around 4:30pm - 2am every day. Also, since it's been previously mentioned today already, I experienced some major lag on youtube last night. It made watching videos on the site next to impossible/not worth doing. But maybe that was congestion on youtube's end? I guess I'll see what happens tonight...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22629692 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:54:48 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22627664 TBBPM :
said by cheston See Profile :

I'd like to provide my experience since primus added DPI-based throttling and to suggest, constructively, that they need to do some tuning on their traffic classification. These data points are when "throttling is active" which is easily identified. All throttled apps funnel through the same "60 KB/s" or so of bandwidth.

1. Video from youtube.com, break.com are virtually unusable. Bandwidth graphs show approximately 60 KB/s and that is simply not sufficient to watch any videos without prolific pausing. I understand that you did not explicitly mention video as being time-sensitive, but imo it is and should be considered so.

2. Software development tools like subversion which use http and https are throttled. Checking out or updating a branch which once took seconds now takes minutes. Very, very disappointing especially since this is an operation that is not terribly frequent but it extremely frustrating when it's throttled.

3. MIT courseware videos are also throttled.

4. General web browsing frequently slows to a crawl and large parts or portions of web pages are definitely getting bottlenecked through the 60 KB/s shape.

5. Uploads are completely broken. I used to upload videos to several sights like vimeo and such; then in April/May i started to notice the uploads would consistently break down with connection-reset. Whether this is because I'm on OSX/Safari and it's not well tested by Primus, I do not know but let me tell you i've tried tuning everything with my TCP/IP stack including rfc1323 and win_scale_factor all with no success. The general problem is "larger uploads" breakdown, sometimes with "connection-reset" reported by the upload site. This is independent of protocol - beit FTP, or in-browser uploads using any number of sites; mediafire, vimeo, rapidshare, etc. Files larger than a certain size combined with upload rate seem to be the deciding factors. I can upload at max 60-65 KB/s, so throttling doesn't matter for speed, but uploading a 50 MB file always breaks down. A few days ago I tried over a dozen times to upload a 38MB file to 2 different hosting sites, could not make it happen. If I had to guess, this is because there is some new device in the picture which doesn't play nice with longer-uploads. Even outside of throttling windows uploads are now severely broken - like I said it could be because Mac OSX TCP/IP stack does something different (not wrong) from the uber-tested Windows stack. Hint: some "new" device doing some kind of stateful tracking and/or ack coalescing in the name of good but in practice bad?

6. email. I use google email/imap . It's throttled by Primus.
Actually, Primus dos not have anything like 60 Kbps (or any other size for that matter) shape.
Your experience above suggests that you are on our resale service (Bell DSLAM). We do not apply our policies as described above to these connections, since they are already throttled by Bell.
Only our own DSLAMs are benefitting from Primus traffic management. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22627664 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:01:47 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22625661 anon : I am having so much trouble watching youtube. It takes like 5 minutes to download a 2 minute clip, yet other video sites work fine. I see the poster above me has been having the same problems.

Is anyone else experiencing this? And what can be done?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22625661 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:08:41 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22618817 cheston :
said by TBBPM See ProfilePlease note that our traffic management is quite different from one employed by Bell. It kick in only if there is a bandwidth bottleneck and prioritize the time sensitive traffic like VoIP, gaming, etc., along with e-mail and browsing.
I'd like to provide my experience since primus added DPI-based throttling and to suggest, constructively, that they need to do some tuning on their traffic classification. These data points are when "throttling is active" which is easily identified. All throttled apps funnel through the same "60 KB/s" or so of bandwidth.

1. Video from youtube.com, break.com are virtually unusable. Bandwidth graphs show approximately 60 KB/s and that is simply not sufficient to watch any videos without prolific pausing. I understand that you did not explicitly mention video as being time-sensitive, but imo it is and should be considered so.

2. Software development tools like subversion which use http and https are throttled. Checking out or updating a branch which once took seconds now takes minutes. Very, very disappointing especially since this is an operation that is not terribly frequent but it extremely frustrating when it's throttled.

3. MIT courseware videos are also throttled.

4. General web browsing frequently slows to a crawl and large parts or portions of web pages are definitely getting bottlenecked through the 60 KB/s shape.

5. Uploads are completely broken. I used to upload videos to several sights like vimeo and such; then in April/May i started to notice the uploads would consistently break down with connection-reset. Whether this is because I'm on OSX/Safari and it's not well tested by Primus, I do not know but let me tell you i've tried tuning everything with my TCP/IP stack including rfc1323 and win_scale_factor all with no success. The general problem is "larger uploads" breakdown, sometimes with "connection-reset" reported by the upload site. This is independent of protocol - beit FTP, or in-browser uploads using any number of sites; mediafire, vimeo, rapidshare, etc. Files larger than a certain size combined with upload rate seem to be the deciding factors. I can upload at max 60-65 KB/s, so throttling doesn't matter for speed, but uploading a 50 MB file always breaks down. A few days ago I tried over a dozen times to upload a 38MB file to 2 different hosting sites, could not make it happen. If I had to guess, this is because there is some new device in the picture which doesn't play nice with longer-uploads. Even outside of throttling windows uploads are now severely broken - like I said it could be because Mac OSX TCP/IP stack does something different (not wrong) from the uber-tested Windows stack. Hint: some "new" device doing some kind of stateful tracking and/or ack coalescing in the name of good but in practice bad?

6. email. I use google email/imap . It's throttled by Primus.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22618817 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:31:09 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22575926 Ravage_D : Again, I had no problem or no outages today.

Weird that you experienced any :-/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22575926 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:10:41 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22575242 Kambrel :
said by anon3333 :

Free, uncensored usenet was one of the best things about Primus. Hopefully it is a temporary problem. Does anyone know more about it?
No idea.

Today it is down again. Is it a warning of the final death coming soon?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22575242 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:44:49 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22567200 mlerner :
said by TBBPM See Profile :

Users want more and more bandwidth, but also do not want to pay more for it. ISPs, in turn, need to lease network capacity, pay for inteconnect, etc. It is quite difficult to find the right balance here....

This is my personal opinion that might not reflect the official Primus position.
I can see that being the reason for Primus, your network is smaller and with limited funding. Bell on the other hand has had decades to build their infrastructure and both retail and wholesale is paying for that network.

You're right to a certain extent that users do not want to pay but the major ISPs keep jacking up the rate anyway so if there's an increase then there better be infrastructure upgrades as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22567200 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:07:06 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22567173 artich0ke :
said by TBBPM See Profile :

Users want more and more bandwidth, but also do not want to pay more for it.
Hasn't bandwidth become much cheaper for ISPs compared to earlier years?

From what I've noticed residential broadband connections haven't gotten any cheaper, in fact quite the opposite, they've gotten more expensive and overall haven't gotten that much faster (esp. for wholesale dsl). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22567173 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:03:19 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22566834 TBBPM :
said by artich0ke See Profile :

Expanding roads and highways requires more land which is unavailable for all sorts of reasons.

What's the excuse for not expanding the inter-network?
Cost?
Users want more and more bandwidth, but also do not want to pay more for it. ISPs, in turn, need to lease network capacity, pay for inteconnect, etc. It is quite difficult to find the right balance here....

This is my personal opinion that might not reflect the official Primus position.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22566834 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:09:14 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22566738 artich0ke :
said by light_speed See Profile :

- Besides, aren't we using "Car Pool" lanes in free/highways to avoid congestion and increase performance, what is so different in the Inter-Network.
Expanding roads and highways requires more land which is unavailable for all sorts of reasons.

What's the excuse for not expanding the inter-network?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22566738 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:54:36 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22565751 light_speed : - QoS cannot be avoided. Even if this DPI thing did not suddenly emerge QoS would have been in place of any ISP core just assure better service. DPI just enhances to higher level, question surely remains "What is the intent of the ISP?". How the ISPs will use this tool is up to them and we should argue on that rather than pointing that DPI is a bad thing.

- Besides, aren't we using "Car Pool" lanes in free/highways to avoid congestion and increase performance, what is so different in the Inter-Network.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22565751 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:53:46 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22515629 KC : news.primus.ca works for me last night and this morning. It even works from work! BTW I'm in Ottawa.

KC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22515629 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:59:01 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22515444 Ravage_D : Hey,

news.primus.ca working for me! Maxxing out my connection (820KB/s) right now downloading a binary file. I'm making 12 connections to it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22515444 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:25:13 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22512703 anon :
said by Kambrel See Profile :

I lost Usenet too. I'd been using news.magma.ca for years so I checked news.primus.ca yesterday with the same result.
Free, uncensored usenet was one of the best things about Primus. Hopefully it is a temporary problem. Does anyone know more about it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22512703 Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:20:03 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22512565 Kambrel : I lost Usenet too. I'd been using news.magma.ca for years so I checked news.primus.ca yesterday with the same result.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22512565 Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:39:38 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22510849 sking : Primus service is still serving me well! no complaints here! I game alot and download or stream tv shows..

by the way anyone in brampton using primus? if so let me know whats your main intersection..moving out there soon..just wondering what speeds your getting! i'll be moving to the bramalea area most likely..
Thanks in advance for your response!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22510849 Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:57:58 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22510260 anon : news.primus.ca stopped working a few days ago (the DNS lookup doesn't work anymore)... I wonder if they cancelled their usenet service?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22510260 Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:50:12 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22475680 anon :
said by Ravage_D See Profile :

I can't for the life of me find their usenet server info though...
news.primus.ca]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22475680 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:25:32 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22474543 TBBPM :
said by Ravage_D See Profile :

I'm REALLY liking their service so far!

Also, is it truly unlimited? Or is there some form of soft cap I might hit if I download too much via USENET :P
It is truly unlimited....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22474543 Sun, 31 May 2009 21:30:28 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22464056 Ravage_D : How would we even notice this throttling at all?

I mean, I can max out my connection on any Linux distribution torrent (840KB/s), at 9:00 PM on a weeknight...no problems.

I'm REALLY liking their service so far!

Also, is it truly unlimited? Or is there some form of soft cap I might hit if I download too much via USENET :P

I can't for the life of me find their usenet server info though...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22464056 Fri, 29 May 2009 13:07:36 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22463527 TBBPM :
said by koreyb See Profile :

Only wish Primus did DRY DSL connections :P
On our DSLAMs or Bell's?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22463527 Fri, 29 May 2009 11:36:26 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22463496 koreyb :
said by TBBPM See Profile :

said by koreyb See Profile :

You can do the triple bundle in BELL DSLAM areas to my understanding.. the cost is just higher.
Correct, price is higher, less phone features and effects of Bell throttling. Still, in most cases, it will be better deal than competition.
Having my marketing hat on ;-)
Only wish Primus did DRY DSL connections :P ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22463496 Fri, 29 May 2009 11:31:52 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22463419 TBBPM :
said by koreyb See Profile :

You can do the triple bundle in BELL DSLAM areas to my understanding.. the cost is just higher.
Correct, price is higher, less phone features and effects of Bell throttling. Still, in most cases, it will be better deal than competition.
Having my marketing hat on ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22463419 Fri, 29 May 2009 11:17:38 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22463136 koreyb : You can do the triple bundle in BELL DSLAM areas to my understanding.. the cost is just higher.

If you have a 5mbps Connection rate, you are likely with Bell's DSLAM equipment which would be throttled.

Primus's approach to network management is much better and different than Bell's approach.. QoS is much more acceptable than flat out bias speed limits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22463136 Fri, 29 May 2009 10:33:50 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459420 MrOrange : It's pretty sad you cannot see the difference in QoS and blanket throttling. I am with Primus and I download torrents often, or I did when I lived in Kitchener. I've just moved to London and chose Primus again, having lived in Kitchener I've never dipped below 150KBs unless it's a very badly populated torrent of course. It's rare I see it that low, only near dinner time, generally it's 400-700KBs at any given time depending on what I am doing.

I cannot comment for andrewsfm above, I don't know his situation. Perhaps he lives in a more congested area, torrent/seed quality was bad or low, or many other things. However if it's a result of Primus' QoS throttling that sucks and maybe Primus is not the best choice for him.

It's kind of immature to make silly comments on how it's only good for voip, gaming, etc. and recommending it to grandmothers. I mean, grow up.

Sure unthrottled would be preferred by everyone, however if it needs to be done, this is the way it should be done. It's no different then businesses and corporations that give certain data higher priority on a company network. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459420 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:39:22 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459311 anon :
said by TBBPM See Profile :

said by throttle :

This was true.

However, they started throttling afterwards.

Do a search in this forum for primus throttling. You will find it.
Please note that our traffic management is quite different from one employed by Bell. It kick in only if there is a bandwidth bottleneck and prioritize the time sensitive traffic like VoIP, gaming, etc., along with e-mail and browsing.
So I guess Primus doesn't offer the type of service andrewsfm wants and expects. Or any user who uses it for downloading/uploading for that matter by the very statement you said.

Guess its good for only voip, gaming, e-mail and browsing?

I'll recommend it for the grandmothers I come across then (Well those that don't download anything).

Curious, is windows update throttled as well? Or is it considered time sensitive and not throttled?

andrewsfm, if you get a chance can you please tell us if MS-updates are throttled when you find that your torrents are throttled. I'd like to see an answer to this one for my curiosity. Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459311 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:26:14 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459210 twizlar : Agreed, blanket throttling is just an excuse for poor network design, and/or the failure to monitor things properly and upgrade as needed.
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Broadline Networks Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459210 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:11:23 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459202 bt : Honestly, that's the kind of throttling I can agree with. Enough to ensure QoS, and only when QoS might be impacted if it weren't done.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459202 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:09:45 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459140 MrOrange : I can attest to the above poster. It is much different. I've been enjoying Primus at my location in Kitchener, which was unthrottled, then their QoS came in and I didn't notice much of a slow down.

Just moved to London on Primus again, and still no complaints. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459140 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:02:25 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459080 TBBPM :
said by throttle :

This was true.

However, they started throttling afterwards.

Do a search in this forum for primus throttling. You will find it.
Please note that our traffic management is quite different from one employed by Bell. It kick in only if there is a bandwidth bottleneck and prioritize the time sensitive traffic like VoIP, gaming, etc., along with e-mail and browsing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22459080 Thu, 28 May 2009 15:53:47 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22457740 anon :
said by Ravage_D See Profile :

It's my understanding that if you're in an area that offers Primus's triple bundle then you're on the Primus DSLAMS and there wont be any throttling...

Another indication is your speed. If you're getting 7Mbit chances are you're on the Primus DSLAM. This is just how it's been explained to me...
This was true.

However, they started throttling afterwards.

Do a search in this forum for primus throttling. You will find it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22457740 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:08:27 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456978 mlerner : Regardless Primus has rolled out their own traffic shaping so yes even on a Primus DSLAM you will be shaped depending on traffic usage on that DSLAM.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456978 Thu, 28 May 2009 09:50:18 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456957 Ravage_D : It's my understanding that if you're in an area that offers Primus's triple bundle then you're on the Primus DSLAMS and there wont be any throttling...

Another indication is your speed. If you're getting 7Mbit chances are you're on the Primus DSLAM. This is just how it's been explained to me...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456957 Thu, 28 May 2009 09:46:07 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456757 mlerner : Also if you want to verify whether you are on a Bell DSLAM, create a new PPPoE login with the username "test@test" and password "test" If you can connect with that and get an internal IP Address then you are on a Bell DSLAM.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456757 Thu, 28 May 2009 08:59:18 EDT Re: Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456746 mlerner : Primus does do their own traffic shaping but as I understand only when there is high peak usage.

»www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/3509/280/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456746 Thu, 28 May 2009 08:56:56 EDT Throttling on Primus? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456166 andrewsfm : I noticed tonight that at 2AM exactly, my torrent speed suddenly jumped up from 50kb/sec to 200kb/sec. All day it's been below 50, and last night at 4AM it was around 200 as well.

We all know Bell throttles torrents, but I'm with Primus, and on a DSLAM in the CO.

I'm not sure if the DSLAM equipment I'm connected to is a Primus co-locate or rented from Bell.

What conditions have to be met to result in no throttle?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22456166 Thu, 28 May 2009 02:18:48 EDT