 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM join:2001-04-21 Minneapolis, MN kudos:2 Reviews:
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Re: Static IP price increase on June 12? said by Go Tarheels:I know IP pools are getting harder and harder to justify with ARIN and more expensive to get new ones. Completely agree with this part.
said by Go Tarheels:This may be an effort to force those with statics to rethink their decision and use a dynamic DNS service instead. I'm not sure I follow this though. With either static or dynamic addressing I'm still consuming an IP address.
I understand charging a fee for static addressing, but $10 is a bit much. For $10 Comcast routes me a whole /28 (16 IPs) on my business connection. |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | I'll wager the underlying charge for your Comcast business line is far more than $39 per month. |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM join:2001-04-21 Minneapolis, MN kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Comcast business accounts start at $69.95 for the 8/2 offering, but that's not really the point.
The only reason to bump the static IP fee is to bolster revenue -- not that there is anything overtly wrong with that. I do find it puzzling that Embarq would drop the price on their 10mbps service, which has greater cost implications in terms of provisioning and infrastructure fees, while jacking up the price on static IPs.
Unless the motivation is try to remove support of static IPs by incrementally bumping to cost to deter people from requesting statics? |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | That is really the point. You pay almost twice what the mid-priced Embarq tier costs so naturally Comcast is less likely to try to make their profits on ups and extras (as Earl Schieb used to say) like static IP addresses. |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM join:2001-04-21 Minneapolis, MN kudos:2 Reviews:
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1 edit | An equivalent offering in Embarq-land is the $54.95 10/896 service, which for $10 extra I get a whopping single fixed address.
Comcast's $69.95 8/2 tier might be $15 more, but the upstream is more than twice as fast and for $10 I get 12 more usable IP addresses than Embarq will give me.
This move isn't likely to gain Embarq a ton of revenue -- you're going to have a bunch of people dropping their static IP, which most likely isn't going to be offset by the people still willing to pay the $10 premium. They'd be better off bumping the base cost of each of the plans by $1 and partying like rockstars with the extra revenue.
With as big of an increase as this is, it really does read like they want to drop support for static IPs but right now too many people have them. If that were the strategy, then bumping the cost to reduce the number of people with this configuration would be the first step to eliminating the offering.
I hope I'm wrong -- I like my static address. |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | Embarq has very limited deployment of 10/.896 and can barely get 5/.768 to most so that tier is not a valid comparison. A better one would be the $39.95 3/.512.
Plus, we haven't even verified what this is all about yet, especially considering that "Earthlink" mention. Are you in an Embarq territory? |
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 rabeatzPremium join:2009-03-21 Apopka, FL 3 edits | said by RadioDoc: Plus, we haven't even verified what this is all about yet, especially considering that "Earthlink" mention. Are you in an Embarq territory?
I would say it is confirmed that is an Embarq change for static IPs. Not sure why it's called "Earthlink Static IP", it could just be an outdated name in the billing system.
said by CTL_Joey  Is it increasing on June 12th, the bill message is correct. Confirmed that this morning
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | Pass it upwind that this is a very silly price increase. I would drop the static IP myself if Embarq could manage to get my line to not retrain sixteen times a day. |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM join:2001-04-21 Minneapolis, MN kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to RadioDoc said by RadioDoc:Are you in an Embarq territory? Yeah - I've been an Embarq DSL customer since 2006. It's my backup normal-use connection to the cable Internet service, and I've been running all my primary SIP/RTP VoIP traffic over DSL to keep it free of other traffic on the cable line.
I have a few obstacles I can't overcome with dyndns, namely firewall rules and SIP trunks / CNAM providers that I use that authenticate based on source IP, so I'm pretty much locked into needing a static IP to retain desired use of the connection.
It is a little frustrating in that I'm just getting over 5 months of having an unusable connection. The RT in my neighborhood was so badly oversubscribed that night peak hours resulted in constant 10-15% packet loss. Luckily cable only went out once in that timespan, but even though my connection was up on DSL I ended up having to call up Sprint and add tethering to my account so I could use my EVDO connection to VPN into work. (15% packet loss resulted in constant disconnects of the VPN) If they had announced this price increase 8 weeks ago I would have just canceled the service altogether. Now either they upgraded capacity or enough people canceled service in my neighborhood so there isn't a capacity crunch anymore and things are working pretty well, so I guess I'll probably just grumble a bit about it in this thread and pay the higher bill. |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | Mine in Florida has been up and running since Dec. 2005 so we're about the same there timewise. I have a static IP address because they can't seem to keep the line from resetting every few hours. The modem retrains very fast but if I had to go DHCP or (gasp!) PPPoE on it, that would pretty much make it unusable. Having the bridged static is the only way it works, but now that Comcast finally got their act together and is offering functional HSI in my area for about the same price I'll have to seriously consider switching (and anyone familiar with me knows how painful it is for me to consider).
The thing that really chaps my ass about it is that I spent the better part of two hours on the phone with Embarq a little over two weeks ago redoing POTS and LD on this line to bring it up to date with current offerings (the line has been active since 1985) and there was not one peep about this increase. They managed to do exactly what I requested they not do (dropped it from 5 to 3 megs) in the process, which was un-done by a very diligent CSR the next week and STILL no mention of this. Yeah I know it's only five bucks but it is a hell of a lot of goodwill to piss away for that amount of increased revenue. |
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 rabeatzPremium join:2009-03-21 Apopka, FL | afaik they didn't tell the CSR's (but i could be wrong). I'm a data technician and I wasn't aware of this until I read it on the forum. Haven't seen a mention of it on the Data or CSR news/updates pages either.. So I don't think that they intentionally with-held it from you. But that's just my thought - I could be wrong. |
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 rabeatzPremium join:2009-03-21 Apopka, FL | reply to RadioDoc I guess I should consider myself lucky - i have 10meg service and I have never had the problem you guys are describing - my modem's uptime is over 30 days right now (DHCP, bridged modem) without a loss of sync. But it could be that I have a loop length of only 2800ft. |
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 | reply to espaeth With static IP pools, we may put a /26 in the redback and only half of them are used (much less in residential areas). This leaves A LOT of dormant IP space. With dynamic IP pools we will use a /21 pool and is easier to control and break up further if needed. Hopefully that explains it  |
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Maybe I'm not following how a bridged static keeps the line up? Line connectivity is layer 1 as IP is layer 3. |
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 myriad join:2008-07-27 West Monroe, LA | I think that RadioDoc is saying that his connection keeps dropping, however if he is assigned a static then there is a chance to reconnect before any existing network connections drop. If you have a dynamic account, then you will usually be assigned a different ip address on reconnection so there is no chance of existing network connections being maintained. |
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 | Ah ok, well with dynamics assigned to MAC addresses and not dropped but every 15min - 60min - then it would be the same thing.... Radiodoc should see about getting his line fixed permanently. |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | said by Go Tarheels:Ah ok, well with dynamics assigned to MAC addresses and not dropped but every 15min - 60min - then it would be the same thing.... Radiodoc should see about getting his line fixed permanently. Good luck with that. The line has been up for 4-1/2 years and they still haven't figured out what is wrong...after three tries. The only "solution" was to drop the sync rate. The line is 12,500+ feet long.
The static IP address means once the modem retrains things go merrily along as if nothing happened. If they implement PPPoE that makes it completely unusable. Completely. I've been through that BS on my AT&T lines. |
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 | Radio - Embarq doesn't use PPPoE - they use dynamic addressing based off your router's MAC address - so I don't think you would see the same issue. |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | said by Go Tarheels:Radio - Embarq doesn't use PPPoE - they use dynamic addressing based off your router's MAC address - so I don't think you would see the same issue. Yeah, I know. I've been a customer longer than you've been at this site. 
There was some speculation about the new boys implementing it in their new playground. |
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 | said by RadioDoc:said by Go Tarheels:Radio - Embarq doesn't use PPPoE - they use dynamic addressing based off your router's MAC address - so I don't think you would see the same issue. Yeah, I know. I've been a customer longer than you've been at this site.  There was some speculation about the new boys implementing it in their new playground. Some things aren't as they seem radio 
Also, DHCP is here to stay - No looking back at PPPoE |
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