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1 edit | What strain?
What is true in one area, obviously isn't true in all. Localized congestion issues happen with providers of every ilk, whether cellular, cable, WISP, whatever. IOW, it isn't a systemic plague with just AT&T.
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| said by Bit  :What is true in one area, obviously isn't true in all. Localized congestion issues happen with providers of every ilk, whether cellular, cable, WISP, whatever. IOW, it isn't a systemic plague with just AT&T. so true
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Speed Test |
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said by Bit :What is true in one area, obviously isn't true in all. Localized congestion issues happen with providers of every ilk, whether cellular, cable, WISP, whatever. IOW, it isn't a systemic plague with just AT&T. Correct, but in most areas it is overstrained and under provisioned. Nice test btw, I rarely see more than 1Mbps down and 100Kbps up. |
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same here in central IL their AT&T wireless is pretty darn fast and I've never seen congestion least not here..Patrick. |
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Bit
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Conjecture. You don't know anything about "most areas" one way or another.
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| said by Bit :Conjecture. You don't know anything about "most areas" one way or another. I could say the exact same thing about your single test if you really want to get snippy?
Go read Howard Forums or any other cell phone oriented site. Most AT&T areas suffer from oversubscription and as a result, low speeds. |
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1 edit | Except read my OP, I didn't make unfounded claims about "most areas" as you did. It is a pattern with you, just manufacturing statistics as you go.
Instead of spouting conjecture, provide proof that most AT&T 3G service areas suffer from over subscription and low speeds. Forum postings don't mean crap...my your logic most FiOS areas suffer speed problems because I can find people complaining about FiOS issues.
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| said by Bit :Except read my OP, I didn't make unfounded claims about "most areas" as you did. It is a pattern with you, just manufacturing statistics as you go. Instead of spouting conjecture, provide proof that most AT&T 3G service areas suffer from over subscription and low speeds. Forum postings don't mean crap...my your logic most FiOS areas suffer speed problems because I can find people complaining about FiOS issues. Is it? So I am manufacturing statistics that the CEO of AT&T (did you even read the article?) agrees with? The title of the linked article is "AT&T: Smartphones are Choking Networks".
I suppose that's not proof and is just another unfounded claim though isn't it? |
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Engadget saw the same AT&T speeds I do |
Meanwhile where did AT&T's CEO say that over half his network area is oversubscribed and offering slow speeds?
The only thing even remotely close was his comment about "U.S. wireless networks", not just AT&T and said NOTHING about any crush affecting over 1/2 the AT&T network footprint. The point of his speech is that AT&T is "getting ahead" of any coming smart phone crunch with the 4G upgrades. »www.smartmoney.com/breaking-news···800-1428 In fact the CEO said the #1 cause of churn is network quality and it was stated that AT&T has near the lowest churn in the industry over the last quarter.
Engaget did a shootout between the major 3G carriers just recently »Comparing 3G Data Card Service Across Carriers and they saw AT&T as the fastest provider. But even then that is just their experience as they imply in their artcle. They didn't go to every market and every street corner testing these services. No one can make a broad statement about the performance of these networks like you did.
Karl summed it up perfectly in his write up, just because you have a bunch of people saying the service is fast, and another bunch saying it is slow, doesn't mean crap and you can't draw conclusions about network performance from these testimonials.
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These types of comparisons are sketchy given service not only varies from town to town but often block to block...
So I ask again, where is your proof that most of the AT&T service area is suffering slow speeds and is over subscribed.
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Oh yeah?
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Blah Blah... The fact of the matter is that the CEO of AT&T confessed to SOME issues.... reveals the notion that more than SOME issues exist!! Dont be naive to the fact that the CEO of a major telecom is just gonna jump out that and be HONEST... PLEASE...Over subscription and under provisioning exists.... in MAJOR markets or the CEO wouldn't say a word!! |
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Beat this! 
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Blah blah, prove it.
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| said by Bit :Blah blah, prove it. You ask for proof, but refuse to accept the thousands of people reporting problems in various forums with AT&T but not with other carriers, especially not with EVDO carriers. I'm curious as to what kind of proof would satisfy you?
How about a study from Wired.com that blames the AT&T network, not the 3G iPhone for the iPhone problems? »www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/08/···phone-3/
In case you don't want to read the link, the AT&T network in a Nationwide poll of 1600 iPhone users had an average speed of 990Kbps, poor signal quality, and the most 0 results (dropped connections) than any other provider minus Australia.
Then there is always the AT&T CTO's interview with Gizmodo where he admits the AT&T network has problems and "that initially meeting the voice quality and data rates of Sprint’s 3G network would have been both technically and financially impossible, despite the customer benefit."
»gizmodo.com/5041382/atts-interna···-network
But that's not "proof" that there is a problem right? |
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1 edit | Blah blah blah. Every provider has complainers, it doesn't mean crap, it especially isn't proof of your 1/2 the network is slow claim that you pulled out of your ass.
You said 1/2 the network is suffering slow speeds and is over subscribed. You have ZERO proof this is the case an AT&T's CEO said nothing of the kind.
You can continue manufacturing proof or posting links to stories and quotes which don't support in any way your 1/2 the network is slow claim all ya want.
Meanwhile Engadget showed AT&T to be the fastest network in their testing. None of this proves anything.
Knock off with the conjecture.
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Jamestown, NC | You are either blind or just obtuse. I think you need to read that link again without the rose colored glasses. |
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2 edits | No, you just have a history of making shit up like your unfounded claim that most of AT&T's wireless network is suffering slow speeds and is oversold. I can find isolated instances of issues with EVERY provider and it isn't limited to wireless. A few complainers in a forum, or a general statement about getting ahead of smartphone congestion does not in any way conform your claim that most of the network sees slow speeds.
If forums whining was the end all measure of network performance, Comcast would be bottom of the barrel in terms of speeds, but we see from speedtest results that that is hardly the case. It is human nature to be more vocal about complaints than praise, making assumptions based on forum browsing beyond worthless and invalid.
IOW, you push your conjecture as fact.
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| I've provided ample proof of a widespread problem with the AT&T network, the CEO admits as much, the CTO admits as much, and a Wired.com nationwide test shows that the average speeds are precisely where I stated they were, under 1Mbps. All you've provided are baseless insults and personal attacks.
When you're ready to have an adult discussion instead of attacking my history at this site and anyone else who doesn't agree with your viewpoint, let me know. |
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