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Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Fri, 29 May 2009 08:10:18 EDT

me1212 posted : I know what you mean about price, I use a fixed wireless. Cost $45 a month for 512/128 I get about 500/256 94% of the time, with no cap.

Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Fri, 29 May 2009 05:03:34 EDT

patcat88 posted :

said by me1212:

What about fixed wireless? The speed does not HAVE to be next gen, would you rather have a 50/? with a 250GB(or less) cap or a 5/?-10/? with no cap?

Fixed wireless is dead. All the equipment has "rape the business customer with allusions to SLA reliability" prices.

»www.google.com/products/catalog?···-sellers

What about spectrum? Verizon and ATT will buy anything that comes along, and sit on it for decades, kindda like Sprint is doing with its WiMAX spectrum. There is little to no spectrum except for ex-TV channels, and the media lobby groups are making sure whitespace is dead, and ATT/Verizon will buy anything that goes to auction, and with todays "fiscal responsibility" granting away spectrum on merit to small businesses is a political death penalty.

Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Fri, 29 May 2009 04:58:28 EDT

patcat88 posted :

said by tmc8080:

in the end, metered billing would destroy the ISP industry and create quite a problem with customer loyalty & churn rates. if you think about it... if billing by the byte becomes reality, then wouldn't you want to go with the company who offers the most bits per dollar? again, your chasing what is essentially an unlimited plan again.

Look at the cellphone industry, the contract system stops churn. When contracts do expire you goto the next carrier, then into a contract again. If you do the price shopping loop, one carrier will be hire when you leave contract, another will be lower, you will always be a member of one of the handful of cell carriers. Also cell carriers have fees/text message plans/overages/etc that are different and very hard for the average consumer to compare. Then we have M2M, which in ISP speak is a walled garden, thats a very powerful lock. If all your friends are Carrier A, will you switch to Carrier B and loose all your friends? What about when the father of the household has a phone from Carrier A paid for by his job, what carrier will the wife and kids use? If you telecommute, your employer may strike an agreement with the cable co for unlimited/free teleconferencing and the like, then you will have to buy that cable internet service for the free MBs.

Because of the duopoly, any attempt at price shopping by jumping ever 2 years to the other carrier (TM, SPCS, VZW, ATTM) won't even work.

What if access to the MLB or NFL required a certain internet service? If anyone is a sports fan in your family, especially the male, that decision is already made regardless of cost.

Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Thu, 28 May 2009 23:40:48 EDT

en102 posted : Personally - I'd try fixed wireless if the price / bandwidth /caps (no cap) were decent.
Problem is that its hard to find, and typically not cheap.
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Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:30:19 EDT

me1212 posted : What about fixed wireless? The speed does not HAVE to be next gen, would you rather have a 50/? with a 250GB(or less) cap or a 5/?-10/? with no cap?

Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:23:00 EDT

Rally posted : Small ISPs have to comply with whatever last mile provider they use. It's very sad in 2009 we're having this draconian metered system. Tons of price increases, ton's of new customers, ton's of new revenue streams.. And yet they still claim poverty, still claim there's so some sort of bandwidth crisis, but adding in new subscribers like no tomorrow.

Can't wait for fios, can't wait for directtv :)
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Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:39:00 EDT

en102 posted : I'd be going back to DSL-Extreme if they can keep unmetered billing

Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:12:43 EDT

djrobx posted :

said by me1212:

Maybe good will come out of this. By good I mean new ISPs that give a crap about their costumers. IMHO small business>big business, the small business around here treat you almost like you are family. Maybe some co-ops would help.

Yes, this could be a good opportunity for small ISPs. One problem though: independent ISPs generally don't have true access to next gen networks. There's no resellers for U-verse, and the few FIOS resellers I've heard of are just reselling Verizon connectivity, so it's likely to be subject to the same bandwidth restrictions if they are imposed.

Check out Canada's experiences with metered billing to see how smaller ISPs were pretty much forced to comply.

So if you want unlimited, you're likely to be stuck with ADSL or ADSL2+ if you're really lucky on copper from the CO via Covad or some other CLEC. If you're serviced through an RT or are far from the CO you're in trouble. If Covad jumps on board with metered billing with the rest we're pretty much screwed.
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Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Thu, 28 May 2009 15:45:01 EDT

me1212 posted : Maybe good will come out of this. By good I mean new ISPs that give a crap about their costumers. IMHO small business>big business, the small business around here treat you almost like you are family. Maybe some co-ops would help.

isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this?

Thu, 28 May 2009 15:27:43 EDT

tmc8080 posted :

»video.google.com/videoplay?docid···05127076

for those on metered billing who don't want to load the video, it's bugs (bunny) and yosemite sam exchanging cannon balls back and forth trying to blow one another to kingdom come.

in the end, metered billing would destroy the ISP industry and create quite a problem with customer loyalty & churn rates. if you think about it... if billing by the byte becomes reality, then wouldn't you want to go with the company who offers the most bits per dollar? again, your chasing what is essentially an unlimited plan again.

however, those who assume that the inflationary pressures plaguing the energy industry spill over into all other industries giving the impression of obscene greed by isp corporations which are at least 2x bigger than they were a decade ago. your choices being limited as they may.. once can foresee metered billing bringing out those to call for rate reglation/relief. industries built upon taxpayer monies (all those fiber optics laid by arpa net decades ago & subsidies paid since) revolve around a taxpayer stewardship of where the industry goes with rates, abuses, and other issues (by both consumers & industry alike).

as much as the big isp corporations OWN the last mile.. it still is OUR public internet, for the time being.