Topic 'Re: What strain?' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459148 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:33:13 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:33:13 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22476653 See Profile claimed. Period.

Comcast uses traffic management techniques too, but it is certainly not proof that "most" of their network is running slow. And nothing the CEO or CTO has said even remotely supports the claim that most of their network is seeing slow speeds.

And while obviously some examples can be seen of slower than optimal speed, the same can be said about ANY provider, wireless or otherwise and in no way even begins to speak to the extent of any issues that exist. It certainly doesn't provide evidence to a point in which is could be said with even remote certainty that "most" of the network sees slow speeds.

Matt See Profile pull the stat out of his ass, plain and simple and this isn't the first time he has attempted to present his conjecture as fact.

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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22476653 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:12:01 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22476046 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22476046 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:06:05 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22475933
Not a word about 1/2 their network being slow as was claimed by Matt. Matt pulled the 1/2 the network stat out of his ass just as he always does expecting no one to question his endless conjecture.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22470112 Sat, 30 May 2009 19:02:41 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22469813 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22469813 Sat, 30 May 2009 17:42:19 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22465725
What the CTO said, and all he said was that the coming 4G networks

said by CTO Donnovan :
gets us out in front of where we think (network usage) is going to be


Not a single word supporting your bullshit about most of AT&T's network being slow.

CEO Stephenson also said not a word about AT&T's network.

What he said was that U.S. WIRELESS networks aren't prepared for smartphone traffic that is already beginning to affect the networks.

U.S. Wireless networks, not just AT&T, and BEGINNING to affect the networks, not having MOST of AT&T's network suffering slow speeds as you claim.

The statements by the CTO nor CEO don't come close to "proving" anything you have said to be correct. Nor do random forum comments.

Meanwhile that Wired "study" you quote says that AT&T's average US 3G speeds was 1Mb...certainly not "slow" by any measure. The Wired study if anything, proves you are full of it. Engadget's limited tests also shows excellent speeds on AT&T's service, faster than all the others they tested.

The CEO's quotes don't back you up, the CTO's quotes don't back you up, Wired.com's study that you post disproves your unsubstantiated claims of slow overall speed.

You pulled that "most" stat out of your ass just as you always do.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22465725 Fri, 29 May 2009 17:46:00 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22465375
When you're ready to have an adult discussion instead of attacking my history at this site and anyone else who doesn't agree with your viewpoint, let me know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22465375 Fri, 29 May 2009 16:35:51 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22464971
If forums whining was the end all measure of network performance, Comcast would be bottom of the barrel in terms of speeds, but we see from speedtest results that that is hardly the case. It is human nature to be more vocal about complaints than praise, making assumptions based on forum browsing beyond worthless and invalid.

IOW, you push your conjecture as fact.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22464971 Fri, 29 May 2009 15:19:12 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22464913 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22464913 Fri, 29 May 2009 15:11:36 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22464652
You said 1/2 the network is suffering slow speeds and is over subscribed. You have ZERO proof this is the case an AT&T's CEO said nothing of the kind.

You can continue manufacturing proof or posting links to stories and quotes which don't support in any way your 1/2 the network is slow claim all ya want.

Meanwhile Engadget showed AT&T to be the fastest network in their testing. None of this proves anything.

Knock off with the conjecture.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22464652 Fri, 29 May 2009 14:32:43 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22464557 said by Bit:

Blah blah, prove it.
You ask for proof, but refuse to accept the thousands of people reporting problems in various forums with AT&T but not with other carriers, especially not with EVDO carriers. I'm curious as to what kind of proof would satisfy you?

How about a study from Wired.com that blames the AT&T network, not the 3G iPhone for the iPhone problems? »www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/08/···phone-3/

In case you don't want to read the link, the AT&T network in a Nationwide poll of 1600 iPhone users had an average speed of 990Kbps, poor signal quality, and the most 0 results (dropped connections) than any other provider minus Australia.

Then there is always the AT&T CTO's interview with Gizmodo where he admits the AT&T network has problems and "that initially meeting the voice quality and data rates of Sprint’s 3G network would have been both technically and financially impossible, despite the customer benefit."

»gizmodo.com/5041382/atts-interna···-network

But that's not "proof" that there is a problem right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22464557 Fri, 29 May 2009 14:16:44 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22463811 --
POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22463811 Fri, 29 May 2009 12:29:31 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22462772 said by Nerdtalker:

Oh yeah?



Beat this! :D


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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22462406 Fri, 29 May 2009 07:28:03 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22462164

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22462164 Fri, 29 May 2009 03:50:14 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459976
Meanwhile where did AT&T's CEO say that over half his network area is oversubscribed and offering slow speeds?

The only thing even remotely close was his comment about "U.S. wireless networks", not just AT&T and said NOTHING about any crush affecting over 1/2 the AT&T network footprint. The point of his speech is that AT&T is "getting ahead" of any coming smart phone crunch with the 4G upgrades. »www.smartmoney.com/breaking-news···800-1428 In fact the CEO said the #1 cause of churn is network quality and it was stated that AT&T has near the lowest churn in the industry over the last quarter.

Engaget did a shootout between the major 3G carriers just recently »Comparing 3G Data Card Service Across Carriers and they saw AT&T as the fastest provider. But even then that is just their experience as they imply in their artcle. They didn't go to every market and every street corner testing these services. No one can make a broad statement about the performance of these networks like you did.

Karl summed it up perfectly in his write up, just because you have a bunch of people saying the service is fast, and another bunch saying it is slow, doesn't mean crap and you can't draw conclusions about network performance from these testimonials.

said by Karl :
These types of comparisons are sketchy given service not only varies from town to town but often block to block...


So I ask again, where is your proof that most of the AT&T service area is suffering slow speeds and is over subscribed.
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Engadget saw the same AT&T speeds I do
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459976 Thu, 28 May 2009 18:21:33 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459927 said by Bit:

Except read my OP, I didn't make unfounded claims about "most areas" as you did. It is a pattern with you, just manufacturing statistics as you go.

Instead of spouting conjecture, provide proof that most AT&T 3G service areas suffer from over subscription and low speeds. Forum postings don't mean crap...my your logic most FiOS areas suffer speed problems because I can find people complaining about FiOS issues.
Is it? So I am manufacturing statistics that the CEO of AT&T (did you even read the article?) agrees with? The title of the linked article is "AT&T: Smartphones are Choking Networks".

I suppose that's not proof and is just another unfounded claim though isn't it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459927 Thu, 28 May 2009 18:14:10 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459871
Instead of spouting conjecture, provide proof that most AT&T 3G service areas suffer from over subscription and low speeds. Forum postings don't mean crap...my your logic most FiOS areas suffer speed problems because I can find people complaining about FiOS issues.
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POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459871 Thu, 28 May 2009 18:03:17 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459815 said by Bit:

Conjecture. You don't know anything about "most areas" one way or another.
I could say the exact same thing about your single test if you really want to get snippy?

Go read Howard Forums or any other cell phone oriented site. Most AT&T areas suffer from oversubscription and as a result, low speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459815 Thu, 28 May 2009 17:49:21 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459653 --
POKE 65495,1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459653 Thu, 28 May 2009 17:20:20 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459574 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459574 Thu, 28 May 2009 17:03:33 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459478 said by Bit:

What is true in one area, obviously isn't true in all. Localized congestion issues happen with providers of every ilk, whether cellular, cable, WISP, whatever. IOW, it isn't a systemic plague with just AT&T.


Correct, but in most areas it is overstrained and under provisioned. Nice test btw, I rarely see more than 1Mbps down and 100Kbps up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459478 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:47:41 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459368 --
dream your dreams with open eyes and make them come true...

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459368 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:33:09 EDT Re: What strain? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-What-strain-22459263 said by Bit:

What is true in one area, obviously isn't true in all. Localized congestion issues happen with providers of every ilk, whether cellular, cable, WISP, whatever. IOW, it isn't a systemic plague with just AT&T.


so true
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