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[POLITICS] State Finally Does something good for the people

A bill that would make Connecticut the only state requiring large employers to offer paid sick days to their workers has been endorsed by the state House of Representatives.

The House voted 88-58 after nine hours of debate Thursday on the measure, which is similar to measures that lawmakers considered in past years but did not adopt.

»www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/05/···176.html

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9 hours of debate on this when they have mere days to approve a budget, time management is not one of their strong suits..
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How is this good? When businesses can not afford to pay for vacation time, and they lay off employees to make up the difference, will you still be for it?

Businesses are closing left and right, everyone is leaving the state, and now you are celebrating more costs on these businesses that are struggling to survive?

I guess your username is appropriate.
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In Canada everyone is guaranteed 12 sick days and 3 weeks vacation, and their economy is doing better than us.

The boo hoo economics of 5 sick days for people don't make sense.

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In Canada everyone is guaranteed 12 sick days and 3 weeks vacation, and their economy is doing better than us.
In many ways Canada is better than the USA........

Thier health care system IS WAY BETTER for one......

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Well dude, while I don't often see things as you do, I will partially agree with you, what you say is true ENOUGH to matter a LOT.

Many years ago I had a friend, he was a medical doctor from Canada. He was bitter that in Canada he didn't make enough for his beemer and such. He WAS a good guy, but he could only see things through his own self centered eyes, and he really WAS that way, friend or not.

Going to university and struggling to work inhuman hours and learn nearly impossible things certainly deserves significant pay, but that pay MUST be on scale with the rest of the sane world, and that isn't the case in the USA. Perhaps Britain, Germany, France, and Canada don't have it quite right, but:

It is MUCH better than the inhuman conditions here. Here in America, you lose your job, get ill with a lasting condition, and you can't buy insurance, not without lottery winnings. That ALONE is enough reason we MUST have reform. It is better for the state to provide preventative care and organized care, than death care after the fact. It is less costly, if you want to consider cold hard numbers.

But I can't change minds here, the conservatives here are so certain of their illusions and personal sense of invincibility, that "to hell with the less able".

What MUST be done is finding common ground between conservatives and liberals, finding where the truth lies between, and ADDRESSING the desperate issues of our times, NOT declaring wars on dictators just because we want to be badasses. This is not to say that I am against stopping N. Korea from annihilating the world. But only in a genuine threat. Hussein was an annihilator, but he wasn't aimed at the USA, and how many Americans have died, in the war and in hospitals for lack of care.

And, mind you, we don't even take care of our veterans, do you guys say to hell with the women and men who lay their lives down so you can live comfortably?

Yes, we have more technology here in some areas of medical practice, and capitalism is the reason why. But men, that doesn't preclude us from finding a way for the greater good and sanity.

I don't know about the rest of you, but here is an example of the republicans destruction on the nation:

Several years ago, being I am disabled, I got prescriptions from medicaid, which I was able to qualify for since my income wasn't enough for food, electric, and rent alone. Medicaid provided prescriptions and medical care based upon a favorable fee, the pharma corps hadn't reaped hell yet.

Then came their (the pharmas) lobbyists who are HUGE in number and rich and powerful. They managed to get the Republicans, in power at the time, to change the prescription laws and to create the supposedly wonderful medicare prescription coverage system. What the republicans didn't tell the voters was how the pharmas raised prices on the drugs multiples higher along with this, reaping in massively larger profits from the government.

So don't tell me we can't afford it or that democrats are evil for fighting for it. The truth lies in layers, complex layers, much of it hidden from the public, as much from republicans (or more IMHO) than the dems.

Both parties are guilty of being under the control of lobbyists, but I have more confidence in the libs, they are more honest about their intentions and plans, and in the end, do more for the mass of the nation as a whole. With the cons, it is all for the businesses alone, forsaking any balance.
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Thier health care system IS WAY BETTER for one......

But for many tests and treatments, there is a long waiting time. You should see all the Canadians that come to the hospitals in the Buffalo area for treatment.
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Thier health care system IS WAY BETTER for one......

But for many tests and treatments, there is a long waiting time. You should see all the Canadians that come to the hospitals in the Buffalo area for treatment.
But Canada dosen't release their patients to the streets to die just because they cant afford insurance.

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There have been cases of those who could not be treated in Canada due to the long wait for treatment or lack of services in some hospitals. Isn't that the same, being left out on the street?
There are lots of Canadians coming across the bridge, some as far as Toronto to be treated here. Why? The answer is simple. They can't get the services in Canada. And those who can afford it come here. Those who can't, are left to their system.
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said by Dude111 See Profile :

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In Canada everyone is guaranteed 12 sick days and 3 weeks vacation, and their economy is doing better than us.
In many ways Canada is better than the USA........

Thier health care system IS WAY BETTER for one......
Do you have any idea what their tax rate is? Their healthcare system isn't "better", it's "cheaper out of pocket".
Their sales tax is around 13% to start with...
Oh and as mentioned before - if their system is so good why do they come to USA for treatment???
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Canadians are not coming en mass to the USA for healthcare.

Americans are going en mass to Canada for Healthcare. Seniors and pills, and poor people for simple check ups.

»network.nationalpost.com/np/blog···nda.aspx

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said by Kommie See Profile :

Canadians are not coming en mass to the USA for healthcare.
No, just those who refuse to die waiting for their turn to come for treatment.. true their pills and checkups may seem "cheaper", they are paying way more taxes. As in double what the average family pays in USA. They don't get their stuff for free, they are paying for it in advance....
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If you have 100 employees making minimum wage, this law will cost a business $32,000 per year.

That is a lot of money, and can make or break a business.
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If a company with 100 employees cant afford the price of a new car a year, they deserve to be out of buisness!!
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said by Kommie See Profile :

If a company with 100 employees cant afford the price of a new car a year, they deserve to be out of buisness!!
Seriously. If I company is struggling, your best solution for them is to increase their fees in order to put them out of business? Wow, way to kill the American dream. That is one of the most idiotic statements I've ever heard in my entire life.
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George Carlin: "It's Called the American Dream Because You Have to Be Asleep To Believe It"
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This adds cost to doing business in our state. Though as it affects companies that employ over 50 it may be a non issue as most probably provide vacation and sick time already.

People often like to compare the U.S. to Canada, Europe, even Mexico. Claiming on alternate occasions that one of them is somehow superior. Yet the migration is from Canada, Europe and Mexico to the U.S.

I recently had a discussion with a former Mexican who was telling me how beautiful, inexpensive his former homeland was compared to America. Sigh ...
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said by pandora See Profile :

People often like to compare the U.S. to Canada, Europe, even Mexico. Claiming on alternate occasions that one of them is somehow superior. Yet the migration is from Canada, Europe and Mexico to the U.S.

Europeans stopped coming. 12% of Green Cards are given to Europeans. Think about it when is the last time you met a Danish, Swedish, or White French Immigrant?

In European Union they have 31 Sick Days, a Minimum of 20 Vacation days, and somehow they have small companies staying afloat as well as the large ones. (IKEA.STOPandShop,Nestle,Unilever,etc..)

I don't buy the argument that 5 measly sick days for people will affect the economy.
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said by Kommie See Profile :

Think about it when is the last time you met a Danish, Swedish, or White French Immigrant?
Yesterday.
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I don't buy the argument that 5 measly sick days for people will affect the economy.
What about the fact that it's just plain immoral for the government to tell businesses how to run their business?
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I don't buy the argument that 5 measly sick days for people will affect the economy.
What about the fact that it's just plain immoral for the government to tell businesses how to run their business?
Then we would still have child labor. Forget about the 40 hour work week. No need for OSHA.

Goverment is supposed to be on the peoples side. It immoral for the goverment to not step in and stop explotation.

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While I like the thought of people being taken care of by their employers, legislation that increases costs to business in CT will only serve to drive even more businesses out of state, and prevent even more from coming here. Don't forget the exodus of UPS & Stanley for starters. The "state" stood by boppin' their baloneys while the two companies spent millions to leave, and thereby saved themselves money. Very little to nothing has improved since.

We had two CT tax audits in the last years of our little CT business. The first CT auditor shows up in a brand new Mercedes station wagon, and the 2nd in a brand new Lexus. At the time, I was driving a 12 year old mini van. If that were a movie, it might be funny. It wasn't and it isn't. Working xx hours per week to feed the state's number one industry - state employees and bureaucrats - was just two more nails in the coffin that drove us to close up.
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I'm not even going to respond to you. You obviously have no idea what it's like to run a business, and how much we are taxed to death everyday.

Just take more money from the hardworking and give it to the lazy.
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said by harlenm See Profile :

I'm not even going to respond to you. You obviously have no idea what it's like to run a business, and how much we are taxed to death everyday.
Hardworking? Heh, no one works harder then workers and they are not even alowed ot get sick.

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Epiphanies are a dime a dozen among congressional Democrats as they discover urgent new reasons to experience the almost erotic pleasure of commandeering other people's money. For example, freshman Rep. Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat whose district includes Disney World, was recently there and was inspired.

The world, he realized, would be a sweeter place if Congress mandated that all companies with 100 or more employees provide a week of paid vacation to those who work at least 25 hours a week. After three years, they would be entitled to two weeks, and companies with more than 50 employees would have to start providing a paid vacation week. Grayson would not mandate that paid vacations be spent at Disney World...

»www.realclearpolitics.com/articl···758.html

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i'd just factor in the cost into my employees raise...or lack of one for 3 years.
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said by P Ness See Profile :

i'd just factor in the cost into my employees raise...or lack of one for 3 years.
With the Employee Free Choice Act, I hope your employees unionize on you
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said by Kommie See Profile :

With the Employee Free Choice Act, I hope your employees unionize on you
It's not really free choice. For consumers if the act gets passed, we will see higher prices and small companies shutting down.
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Unions = Better benefits and Pay.

As for small companies shutting down:

Its already happening:

»www.bankruptcyaction.com/USbankstats.htm

And its not by "Benefits" but by Globalization.Look at Germany, they have a positive trade deficit, lots of small companies and tons of strong unions with benefits Americans can only dream of.

Americans can't compete anymore. Look at American Cars vs German Cars. American Car Companies wanted faster and cheaper at cost of quality.

As for prices going up thats already happening:

»hornellhome.com/'60s%20statistic···ices.htm

Infact wages have decreased over the last 20 years for the average american family. Remember 50 years ago, only one person had to be employed in a family of four. Now both people have to work.
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said by Kommie See Profile :

Unions = Better benefits and Pay.
Yeah, just look at what unions have done for GM, Chrysler and the airlines.
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Unions are not the ones that forced GM to make Crappy Cars like the GEO or like Chrysler with the Neon.

Unions didn't force Airlines to offer crappier service sending international fliers to foreign airlines.
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said by Kommie See Profile :

Unions are not the ones that forced GM to make Crappy Cars like the GEO or like Chrysler with the Neon.
CAFE forced the big 3 to make cards nobody wanted. Unions merely helped increase the cost so they were sold at a loss.
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You do know most American cars are only assembled in the USA now ? Remember Ross Perot and Nafta? Giant sucking sound of jobs going overseas. The cars are "made" outside the USA.

Somehow Toyota,Hyundai, and BMW are "making" cars in the USA and are out selling the American Companies.

Greed is what made the American Companies fall not unions. Like I said before the CEOs wanted faster and cheaper while decreasing quality.

And just recently in todays news the CEO of GM is getting 16 millon in a bonus. Imagine how many jobs that could of created.

Your arguments are not logical. Think it over.
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said by Kommie See Profile :

Somehow Toyota,Hyundai, and BMW are "making" cars in the USA and are out selling the American Companies.
In right to work states without unions.
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said by Kommie See Profile :

Unions = Better benefits and Pay.
Unions=laziness made law and promotion of mediocrity. The last employee will be the first to go even if he's the best, older employees will be safe regardless of how bad they are since there are others in line to be cut...
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said by cowboyro See Profile :

said by Kommie See Profile :

Unions = Better benefits and Pay.
Unions=laziness made law and promotion of mediocrity. The last employee will be the first to go even if he's the best, older employees will be safe regardless of how bad they are since there are others in line to be cut...
It depends on the Union Contract, there are Unions that do not follow that rule.

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This is a good law and most employers already offer sickpay and vacation. I see no big deal here.

Most businesses or services that don't offer it is in my opinion ridiculous given the notion that most workers are expected to a certain degree to come in when some one else fall sick to ensure productivity continues and their business runs smoothly.

This is a fair law and i agree the whole "will run businesses" is ridiculous.

CT of all places should be leading in these sort of laws. We certainly have the capability to.

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I heard a lot of businesses are run by mean nasty rich people who should pay their "fair" share. At least, that's what the ads on TV during the AM news keep telling me.

It'll be interesting to see if they can balance a budget. They have plenty of time to abolish the death penalty, but Godforbid you ask them to exercise a little fiscal restraint. "NOPE! We can't do that! There's no waste in state programs in fact...we need more money. We're going to hold our breath until our Governor gives us what we want."
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Everyone needs to stop arguing with Kommie, it's useless, no matter what you say to him, he won't believe you, and will distort the facts to fit his agenda.

Forcing businesses to spend money is never a good idea, especially when we are in a recession. They need to cut taxes, and lower the costs to run a business. That will lead to increased profits, which creates more jobs, and helps the economy. Increased fees lower profits and causes unemployment and pay cuts.
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I havent seen any of your facts...

Last I checked unregulated capitalism is the cause of this recession.
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said by Kommie See Profile :

I havent seen any of your facts...

Last I checked unregulated capitalism is the cause of this recession.
Being informed is important. You may wish to investigate government attempts to push loans for unqualified buyers. Government pushing banks to give loans to unqualified buyers is at the heart of the financial meltdown. Banks looked for a way to monetize the unwanted government regulation.

»www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito···_fiasco/

The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration. That was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists, began accusing mortgage lenders of racism and "redlining" because urban blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than suburban whites.

The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods." Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this "subprime" lending by authorizing ever more "flexible" criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.

All this was justified as a means of increasing homeownership among minorities and the poor. Affirmative-action policies trumped sound business practices. A manual issued by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston advised mortgage lenders to disregard financial common sense. "Lack of credit history should not be seen as a negative factor," the Fed's guidelines instructed. Lenders were directed to accept welfare payments and unemployment benefits as "valid income sources" to qualify for a mortgage. Failure to comply could mean a lawsuit.

As long as housing prices kept rising, the illusion that all this was good public policy could be sustained. But it didn't take a financial whiz to recognize that a day of reckoning would come. "What does it mean when Boston banks start making many more loans to minorities?" I asked in this space in 1995. "Most likely, that they are knowingly approving risky loans in order to get the feds and the activists off their backs . . . When the coming wave of foreclosures rolls through the inner city, which of today's self-congratulating bankers, politicians, and regulators plans to take the credit?"

Frank doesn't. But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing.

Now that the bubble has burst and the "systemic risk" is apparent to all, Frank blithely declares: "The private sector got us into this mess." Well, give the congressman points for gall. Wall Street and private lenders have plenty to answer for, but it was Washington and the political class that derailed this train. If Frank is looking for a culprit to blame, he can find one suspect in the nearest mirror.
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And here, stupid me, I thought it was the credit default swap debacle, and how it was mismanaged.

I'm with Kommie, and I think it is HIGHLY unfair to accuse him of "twisting facts" in order to win his argument. Pretty much everything he says seems to come out of the wash pretty white to me.

How many of you guys have had to live on minimum wage, part time, with no health insurance, working your ass off as a middle aged person? None of you, so you don't get it.

States like Connecticut and California tend to lead the rest of the nation and while indeed, some aspects of worker's rights have made things worse for some, far more people benefit otherwise. Even the poor are consumers and customers, and their income is important to the economy.

I was put out on the street as a boy and worked my way into a technical job, through blood sweat and tears. I moved from CT thinking things would be better in the conservative states, and ended up working in jobs that didn't require brainpower and payed crap. I even worked under the table for less than minimum wage out of desperation for work a number of times.

I didn't have college or a highschool diploma. I couldn't go to family for help. I slept in my car, ate bean burritos for lunch and supper, and kept the most positive attitude I could.

At one point I got married and took on an instant family with two kids who I rescued from war. I had to work 3 jobs just to support them at a minimum, and that was including the wife working full time and part time as a maid. I delivered Pizzas, worked in KMart, and did courier work. Many nights I didn't sleep and I worked 7 days a week. I ended up with pneumonia for the second time in my life from the stress of no sleep and a difficult wife and jobs, and had zero health care and zero paid sick days.

We survived but it destroyed the marriage. I refused to go to the hospital when I was told by the doctor to go. I kept working even as sick as I was. I had no choice, I had babies to feed.

Call me lazy all you want, that is so sweet of you guys! All of us poor underpaid, no benefit, slave laborers are the ones bringing convenience and comfort to your lives, those of you driving late model cars, owning homes, retirement money, club memberships, and good meals. You all have those good things and you have the audacity to think that the poor slave workers, people who are grossly underpaid and mistreated and not covered with medical deserve nothing, that we have no right to the piece of pie because we are inferiors. That is really what this is about: Elitism.

We exploit the weakest amongst us here in America all while in other places the weakest at least get dignity.

I've been chased out of threads for my views, but I know I am not alone. Sadly, others who see things the way Kommie and I do are generally too poor to have a computer, or have money for an internet cafe or time for a library.

And more and more these days we have a growing populace of "underlings" who are not deserving of the smallest dignities.

So you don't let that Dollar General worker have paid work days, nor insurance, nor prescriptions. The worker ends up with pneumonia because she/he can't stop working and lose rent pay (lots of people miss house payments and stay in their homes, but renters are booted out to the street). The worker gets more and more ill and ends up in the hospital and fired from the job. She/he get very minimal care and get booted to the curb, homeless, car-less, jobless, hopeless.

OR:

The worker gets ill and takes advantage of the paid sick days and modest health care she has, gets medicine quickly and without having to sit in a frenzied clinic with hundreds of indigents among her. She rests 2 or 3 days, and refreshed returns to work, saves up some money, goes to college, gets a better job, and buys a house.

Proper treatment of low wage earners is more economical than decimating them. I know first hand. I've been homeless 4 times in my life, for different reasons but all greatly because I didn't have the pay scale and credit needed to find habitation. I've almost died from lack of medical care until a family found me and brought be back to health. I had gone over 3 weeks without any food save one Suzie Q pastry. I had no winter coat and bathed in a winter river. I was turned away when I asked for help and shelter, I was treated like garbage.

harlenm and the rest of you: A lot of where you get your stance from is from your ATTITUDE towards people in a different social class than your own. How many of you have lived a life and trouble as I am some of my friends have?

I know I have turned this into a personal related argument, but I tell you of my challenges so that you can know how bad it is to refuse even the minimum of labor treatment.

The unions aren't evil and blaming them for Detroit's problems is unfounded because the unions have existed for many decades with Detroit fattening their wallets. No, it was more greed (indeed some greed on labor's side, but nothing like management's side), the investment trade and the short term thinking and planning that gets forced on companies by investors.

American workers are fully capable of making quality affordable cars. Many great minds such as Dr. W. Edwards Deming have proven so with math and science.

Employers can be MORE profitable by GIVING paid sick days and health care with health maintenance. It breeds worker loyalty and productivity. It reduces the number of days off the job and reduces the need to hunt for new labor and reduces all the training necessary with replacements.

I am not as sophisticated, nor am I as educated as you more conservative types (remember, I'm poor, I was a starving college student, once I went a week without any food while in college). I only have an associates in science. I don't know many big words and don't know how to dig up cases to prove my arguments, and I have a bad memory. But I have a heart and that heart knows the truth, and what is right here, what is best for Connecticut.

If you want to lower standards, reduce taxes, and make all the other changes you all call for, you will have what we have in the poor South. You get what you pay for, and if you don't invest in your fellow human, if you don't provide quality of life elements, then you have poverty in a void like there is here where I reside.

Come to Dover, Tennessee, and compare the houses, stores, hospital, services to those in CT. What you all keep saying you want is what we HAVE HERE. Move here! Let's see how long you will stay.

Let the poor darn workers have a few lousy sick days paid. Doing so will pay for itself. Many studies have shown this, my brother is a Cornell Grad that knows about this stuff and I wish I had him here so he could explain...
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Amazing. I reveal my personal life, tell my story of struggle and perserverance. How I held down 3 jobs at once while wife held down 2 jobs. We don't make it big but someone else has things work out for them, and they turn into a hero here and I get put down.

How typical for the fickle mind of the conservative.

I guess it doesn't matter that I got myself through college too, working while doing it, and taking it on with a middle school level education.

So I am a socialist huh? That is news to me, thanks for calling me names.

Hurray for the winner, death to the loser! This is just like ancient Rome.

I'll say it again: That worker in Walmart or Dollar General deserves to be paid on a sick day just as much as you arrogant guys. How elitist you all are to think you should HAVE while those that work just as hard should not have. And not one of you admits to my logic about how it is my economically sound to give sick days.

So you poor poor guys end up paying 10 cents more for a nintendo wii! Big freaking deal. How cheap and cold hearted can you be when that working you are saying screw you to is keeping you alive. Every worker deserves sick days, it shouldn't be reserved for you elitists. Snobs.

EDIT: Now don't get me wrong guys. I know you are all good guys and you work hard for your money and no one seems to do YOU any favors. I don't dislike any of you, and know that I'd readily befriend any of you in a minute. But you ARE being elitist to think that YOU should get sick days but not that poor Dollar General worker.

Worried about prices going up? What about how giving YOU sick days brought up prices? There are certain things, minimal things, all decent, hard working, citizens deserve.
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Re: [POLITICS] State Finally Does something good for the people

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But you ARE being elitist to think that YOU should get sick days but not that poor Dollar General worker.
Perhaps I read things wrong but my take on the conversation was not so much concern for price increases as opposed to smaller businesses opting to downsize or close due to the added financial burden. Personally I do feel that anyone employed should have at least a few sick days annually, too many leads to abuse as frequently occurs with my employer, such is life with a unionized workforce..

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Re: [POLITICS] State Finally Does something good for the people

Yes, and that is why doctor's releases are for. Places I've worked used them.

As far as union, I was a member of the IBEW and it never did any of the amazing things the guys here insist that unions do for people. In fact, I won't go into it, but the union was at odds with me and made my life unhappy.

Unions aren't evil unless they are mismanaged. Just as people say "guns don't kill people, people kill people" so it is true with unions, the problem is always the individuals involved. Just look at the US presidency. Some leaders have abused their power to an extreme, like Nixon. Some tried too hard to be good guys, like Carter.

The bottom line is this: All men are dicks. It's in our nature. We have one and we are one.

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Amazing. I reveal my personal life, tell my story of struggle and perserverance. How I held down 3 jobs at once while wife held down 2 jobs. We don't make it big but someone else has things work out for them, and they turn into a hero here and I get put down.

How typical for the fickle mind of the conservative.

Your posts can tend to speak in fluent victimization, self pity, and an overall outlook of negativity. Pretty hard to offer a pat on the back when all of that is at the core of ones story.

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My posts tend to cover both tracks, the positive and the negative. I accomplished a great thing for a company that was failing to deliver new products to the semi conductor equipment market AFter six months of them failing to make a machine that can ship, in only 3 days I gave them 3 machines, with no true training.

I figured out their error and came up with a solution.

Now all of that is positive

But the backbiter scientist and engineer above me, AND the fellow sexually harassing me, joined up because they didn't want egg on thier faces for their mistakes that nearly lost the accounts of customers, and they made up a story about mebeing not a hero for the day, but the one to blame for the 6 months of errors *I had only been there for 2 months!*

I was summarily fired at my moment of triumpf. As I was escorted out of the building, I spiled to see the massive optical systems being packed up to ship.

I never sought revenge or compensation for all that I did for the company, but justic still came anyways: After I left they couldn't do what I did and had to cease the operation of it, and closed up shop.

Interesting story:
At a previous employer working on anoyther million dollar optical system, I made discoveries and rewrote procedures that let to a new product yield 8 fold greater that the supposed engineer was was constantly nosinig in on me adn giving me the 3rd degree about optics science

I established a very repeatable procedure that turned around the prospects of sales for a product line of multimillion dollar equipment.

I continue to produce, continued to solve problems, all while learning new skills and improving moral in our lab.

But my boss from his cubicle set out to put me in a compromise position. He saw me as threatening his job I think. So he manufacture a serious of events and histrionics that forced me to go to personelle. I ended up quitting because I was tired of all of the dirty politics, head games, But I left them with many accomplishments that felt like triumpfs for me.

My coworkers were very sad to see me go, moral went down the tubes and when they realize that they weren't able to make The products that I helped make possible, they went back to stone age methods and the interferometers were sidelined.

They ended up having to change the name of their company and shift focus on a different product angle. They decided that they couldn't replacement or figure out things (even though I left them with good procedures, a task I got very good at at college)

The truth is that all of my triumpfs have been bittersweat. When graduating I couldn't go to the graduation ceremoney and none of my family would come, I went straight on to work.

I have such fond memories of my accomplishments and contributions, but never have I been acknowledged or even enfranchised. I knew how it felt to be, say, an Afrikan American Medical doctor, saving lives and getting walked upon.

No, life isn't fair, but when it destroys a fellows career prospects all while he/she was THE model employee, well...
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Re: [POLITICS] State Finally Does something good for the people

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Update: No budget yet...but they found time to pass a bill apologizing for slavery. Thank God we don't let them run the show for an entire year.
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