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MrFixitSC
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Re: [POLITICS] State Finally Does something good for the people
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Grumpy
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Cowboyro - A guy who went out and got it, as opposed to standing by whining for it to be delivered. | |
signmeuptoo
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Amazing. I reveal my personal life, tell my story of struggle and perserverance. How I held down 3 jobs at once while wife held down 2 jobs. We don't make it big but someone else has things work out for them, and they turn into a hero here and I get put down.
How typical for the fickle mind of the conservative.
I guess it doesn't matter that I got myself through college too, working while doing it, and taking it on with a middle school level education.
So I am a socialist huh? That is news to me, thanks for calling me names.
Hurray for the winner, death to the loser! This is just like ancient Rome.
I'll say it again: That worker in Walmart or Dollar General deserves to be paid on a sick day just as much as you arrogant guys. How elitist you all are to think you should HAVE while those that work just as hard should not have. And not one of you admits to my logic about how it is my economically sound to give sick days.
So you poor poor guys end up paying 10 cents more for a nintendo wii! Big freaking deal. How cheap and cold hearted can you be when that working you are saying screw you to is keeping you alive. Every worker deserves sick days, it shouldn't be reserved for you elitists. Snobs.
EDIT: Now don't get me wrong guys. I know you are all good guys and you work hard for your money and no one seems to do YOU any favors. I don't dislike any of you, and know that I'd readily befriend any of you in a minute. But you ARE being elitist to think that YOU should get sick days but not that poor Dollar General worker.
Worried about prices going up? What about how giving YOU sick days brought up prices? There are certain things, minimal things, all decent, hard working, citizens deserve.
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said by Grumpy  :4th Cowboyro - A guy who went out and got it, as opposed to standing by whining for it to be delivered. You guys are funny.
The only reason I say this is because after immigrating to USA in 2002, I had never felt that hardwork had ever rewarded anyone but those on welfare.
My taxbill for 2009 was well over 24k and i remained the only dr. that drove a corolla whilst nurses were riding bmws.
I'm not exactly sure if people in CT even "get it" | |
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| 24,000 taxes. How much did you earn?
A lot of people who drive Beemers can't really afford them, they drive something more expensive than they can afford due to ego. The woman down the street who got a store out of a divorce drives a hummer. What is she trying to prove, I always ask myself?
What do you mean by "get it", BTW?
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said by signmeuptoo : But you ARE being elitist to think that YOU should get sick days but not that poor Dollar General worker. Perhaps I read things wrong but my take on the conversation was not so much concern for price increases as opposed to smaller businesses opting to downsize or close due to the added financial burden. Personally I do feel that anyone employed should have at least a few sick days annually, too many leads to abuse as frequently occurs with my employer, such is life with a unionized workforce.. | |
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| Yes, and that is why doctor's releases are for. Places I've worked used them.
As far as union, I was a member of the IBEW and it never did any of the amazing things the guys here insist that unions do for people. In fact, I won't go into it, but the union was at odds with me and made my life unhappy.
Unions aren't evil unless they are mismanaged. Just as people say "guns don't kill people, people kill people" so it is true with unions, the problem is always the individuals involved. Just look at the US presidency. Some leaders have abused their power to an extreme, like Nixon. Some tried too hard to be good guys, like Carter.
The bottom line is this: All men are dicks. It's in our nature. We have one and we are one.
Abuses can be rectified. Problems can be ameliorated.
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said by cowboyro :Give the workers free sick days w/o questions and see how many don't take all of them. Added employee expenses when companies are struggling. I know what it means working to make a living, I came in this country 10+ years ago with $400 in my pocket and 2 suitcases. (Yeah I'm the f#@king immigrant who comes and steals jobs from American workers). I worked 80+hrs/week. I had to choose between 1 day of work and staying home sick... Kept my wife in college knowing it would be an investment in the future (didn't even qualify for student aid at that time) and she had to maintain a high GPA in order for the tuition cost not to be prohibitive. Stayed until 2AM or later improving my computer skills and woke up at 6AM to go to work. We both worked hard and sacrificed our lives and 10 years later we have a house better than we could have dreamed for and can afford going on vacations abroad. See, for every sad story there is a success story. We could have settled for much less but the desire to break out of the "average" gave us power. I strongly believe that most people are capable of that only they prefer to complain how life and society are (mis)treating them. You can't believe how many opportunities there are in America until you see other parts of the world. Only opportunities won't chase you, they have to be taken and sometimes the best road isn't the straight smooth one. An oustanding story!
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1 edit | Indeed, "hail fellow well met" and all that. But I see how you don't give me similar credit for similar perseverance, perhaps even harder work.
I once had a job where they made me work for an entire week with no sleep. No lie. I did it without complaining, and the work was exceedingly hazardous, no, outright dangerous. I admit I didn't stay long, what with my history of pneumonia and mono and such.
When I held the three jobs I never got more than about 3 hours sleep per night. Except for Sunday, when I worked more than 1/2 a day and then just slept. My wife called me a lazy man, too, during that time. The late night courier work drove me.
I have always devoured jobs with energy and motivation, I love work and miss it.
Glenn, you didn't steal a job from "an American", you ARE an American, as far as I am concerned. And I applaud you for what you sacrificed and accomplished. Things just haven't gone so well for me, but not for lack of trying. I won't bore you guys with the mistreatment and outright, what, perjury (I don't know what word to use, I know that one is wrong, I am just trying to get a point across), before my college won career collapsed, I made an accomplishment involving fixing an error of a scientist and a full engineer. They didn't want to get discovered so they discredited me in the worst of ways, and then blackballed me in the small industry, the tightly nit industry I worked in.
I have had to start from ground zero a number of times in my life and I will do it again. Nobody owes me anything but respect for a days honest work. Sadly, some people get ripped off in the work place.
Glenn, I don't know you. I knew a Glenn when I was a kid and I've often wondered if you could be him. Thing is, you speak from a place where you can afford to have your opinion, but more than 1/2 the nation can't afford your sentiments, yet many still do. I see them go to church here on Sundays, I see them buying a bill of goods where nothing is delivered. I see Bob Corker, who is a scam artist extraordinaire.
Corker, a HARD right wing wingnut, ran the dirtiest campaign I have ever seen. He lied about everything to do with his Democratic opponent, an upstanding person. He also made countless false promises, non of which he has kept.
And then there is the so called liberal media: Who gets all the shows and airtime: Rush, Glenn, and Shaun (spelling here please). The radio stations only give airtime to conservative extremists, so is it any wonder so many have a mindset that is imbalanced against reason?
I think of Charles Dickens. Our times today are in some ways like the days of the Tale of Two Cities. Sure, no cutting off of heads, but plenty of torturing, that's for sure.
You good men can put all the spin you want on things, and give each other strokes and "hail fellow well met" slaps on the back, but my reason, my arguments, stand on their own like walls in front of you. Read that writing, for America is in decay, and that decay was completely caused by the decadence of extremist conservatism and false republicanism, to coin a term if I may.
I miss the more genuine conservatism, the less hypocritical conservatism of, I have forgotten his name, the great mind behind "The Firing Line".
Oh yeah, while editing I remembered: William F. Buckley Jr. I WAS a hard right wing conservative back then. While he was wrong, he WAS a rational, wise man. There are no men like him today. If he was still alive, maybe I would not have done my about face.
Do you know what actually brought me back to reality though? 5 years of therapy for being bipolar and coming to terms with the truth. I had an amazing therapist who did amazing things for me.
Why would an extreme, Randall Terry fan type right wing conservative have an epiphany and suddenly realize he was wrong for decades? Could there be a good reason? Well? Maybe you don't think so, but you don't walk in my shoes. I also used to hate gay people, but I am a better man today. Everyone can awaken, everyone can self examine, everyone can come to terms with delusions.
But with that all said, great job climbing the ladder, Glenn, all the power to ya! Just watch your back, my friend, the fall can kill, just remember that.
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In Canada everyone is guaranteed 12 sick days and 3 weeks vacation, and their economy is doing better than us.
In many ways Canada is better than the USA........
Thier health care system IS WAY BETTER for one...... | |
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| Well dude, while I don't often see things as you do, I will partially agree with you, what you say is true ENOUGH to matter a LOT.
Many years ago I had a friend, he was a medical doctor from Canada. He was bitter that in Canada he didn't make enough for his beemer and such. He WAS a good guy, but he could only see things through his own self centered eyes, and he really WAS that way, friend or not.
Going to university and struggling to work inhuman hours and learn nearly impossible things certainly deserves significant pay, but that pay MUST be on scale with the rest of the sane world, and that isn't the case in the USA. Perhaps Britain, Germany, France, and Canada don't have it quite right, but:
It is MUCH better than the inhuman conditions here. Here in America, you lose your job, get ill with a lasting condition, and you can't buy insurance, not without lottery winnings. That ALONE is enough reason we MUST have reform. It is better for the state to provide preventative care and organized care, than death care after the fact. It is less costly, if you want to consider cold hard numbers.
But I can't change minds here, the conservatives here are so certain of their illusions and personal sense of invincibility, that "to hell with the less able".
What MUST be done is finding common ground between conservatives and liberals, finding where the truth lies between, and ADDRESSING the desperate issues of our times, NOT declaring wars on dictators just because we want to be badasses. This is not to say that I am against stopping N. Korea from annihilating the world. But only in a genuine threat. Hussein was an annihilator, but he wasn't aimed at the USA, and how many Americans have died, in the war and in hospitals for lack of care.
And, mind you, we don't even take care of our veterans, do you guys say to hell with the women and men who lay their lives down so you can live comfortably?
Yes, we have more technology here in some areas of medical practice, and capitalism is the reason why. But men, that doesn't preclude us from finding a way for the greater good and sanity.
I don't know about the rest of you, but here is an example of the republicans destruction on the nation:
Several years ago, being I am disabled, I got prescriptions from medicaid, which I was able to qualify for since my income wasn't enough for food, electric, and rent alone. Medicaid provided prescriptions and medical care based upon a favorable fee, the pharma corps hadn't reaped hell yet.
Then came their (the pharmas) lobbyists who are HUGE in number and rich and powerful. They managed to get the Republicans, in power at the time, to change the prescription laws and to create the supposedly wonderful medicare prescription coverage system. What the republicans didn't tell the voters was how the pharmas raised prices on the drugs multiples higher along with this, reaping in massively larger profits from the government.
So don't tell me we can't afford it or that democrats are evil for fighting for it. The truth lies in layers, complex layers, much of it hidden from the public, as much from republicans (or more IMHO) than the dems.
Both parties are guilty of being under the control of lobbyists, but I have more confidence in the libs, they are more honest about their intentions and plans, and in the end, do more for the mass of the nation as a whole. With the cons, it is all for the businesses alone, forsaking any balance.
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said by signmeuptoo :Amazing. I reveal my personal life, tell my story of struggle and perserverance. How I held down 3 jobs at once while wife held down 2 jobs. We don't make it big but someone else has things work out for them, and they turn into a hero here and I get put down. How typical for the fickle mind of the conservative. Your posts can tend to speak in fluent victimization, self pity, and an overall outlook of negativity. Pretty hard to offer a pat on the back when all of that is at the core of ones story. | |
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My posts tend to cover both tracks, the positive and the negative. I accomplished a great thing for a company that was failing to deliver new products to the semi conductor equipment market AFter six months of them failing to make a machine that can ship, in only 3 days I gave them 3 machines, with no true training.
I figured out their error and came up with a solution.
Now all of that is positive
But the backbiter scientist and engineer above me, AND the fellow sexually harassing me, joined up because they didn't want egg on thier faces for their mistakes that nearly lost the accounts of customers, and they made up a story about mebeing not a hero for the day, but the one to blame for the 6 months of errors *I had only been there for 2 months!*
I was summarily fired at my moment of triumpf. As I was escorted out of the building, I spiled to see the massive optical systems being packed up to ship.
I never sought revenge or compensation for all that I did for the company, but justic still came anyways: After I left they couldn't do what I did and had to cease the operation of it, and closed up shop.
Interesting story:
At a previous employer working on anoyther million dollar optical system, I made discoveries and rewrote procedures that let to a new product yield 8 fold greater that the supposed engineer was was constantly nosinig in on me adn giving me the 3rd degree about optics science
I established a very repeatable procedure that turned around the prospects of sales for a product line of multimillion dollar equipment.
I continue to produce, continued to solve problems, all while learning new skills and improving moral in our lab.
But my boss from his cubicle set out to put me in a compromise position. He saw me as threatening his job I think. So he manufacture a serious of events and histrionics that forced me to go to personelle. I ended up quitting because I was tired of all of the dirty politics, head games, But I left them with many accomplishments that felt like triumpfs for me.
My coworkers were very sad to see me go, moral went down the tubes and when they realize that they weren't able to make The products that I helped make possible, they went back to stone age methods and the interferometers were sidelined.
They ended up having to change the name of their company and shift focus on a different product angle. They decided that they couldn't replacement or figure out things (even though I left them with good procedures, a task I got very good at at college)
The truth is that all of my triumpfs have been bittersweat. When graduating I couldn't go to the graduation ceremoney and none of my family would come, I went straight on to work.
I have such fond memories of my accomplishments and contributions, but never have I been acknowledged or even enfranchised. I knew how it felt to be, say, an Afrikan American Medical doctor, saving lives and getting walked upon.
No, life isn't fair, but when it destroys a fellows career prospects all while he/she was THE model employee, well...
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Thier health care system IS WAY BETTER for one......
But for many tests and treatments, there is a long waiting time. You should see all the Canadians that come to the hospitals in the Buffalo area for treatment. | |
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| said by TrainBuff :Thier health care system IS WAY BETTER for one...... But for many tests and treatments, there is a long waiting time. You should see all the Canadians that come to the hospitals in the Buffalo area for treatment. But Canada dosen't release their patients to the streets to die just because they cant afford insurance. | |
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said by Dude111 : quote:
In Canada everyone is guaranteed 12 sick days and 3 weeks vacation, and their economy is doing better than us.
In many ways Canada is better than the USA........ Thier health care system IS WAY BETTER for one...... Do you have any idea what their tax rate is? Their healthcare system isn't "better", it's "cheaper out of pocket".
Their sales tax is around 13% to start with...
Oh and as mentioned before - if their system is so good why do they come to USA for treatment??? | |
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2 edits | Canadians are not coming en mass to the USA for healthcare.
Americans are going en mass to Canada for Healthcare. Seniors and pills, and poor people for simple check ups.
»network.nationalpost.com/np/blog···nda.aspx | |
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There have been cases of those who could not be treated in Canada due to the long wait for treatment or lack of services in some hospitals. Isn't that the same, being left out on the street?
There are lots of Canadians coming across the bridge, some as far as Toronto to be treated here. Why? The answer is simple. They can't get the services in Canada. And those who can afford it come here. Those who can't, are left to their system.
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said by Kommie :Canadians are not coming en mass to the USA for healthcare. No, just those who refuse to die waiting for their turn to come for treatment.. true their pills and checkups may seem "cheaper", they are paying way more taxes. As in double what the average family pays in USA. They don't get their stuff for free, they are paying for it in advance.... | |
Glenn
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Update: No budget yet...but they found time to pass a bill appologizing for slavery. Thank God we don't let them run the show for an entire year.
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